See you can talk using the arguments
Cut the bull with semantics. Theres little groups who hang by the balls of specific types of fighters and all those russian-name types regardless of country is one of them.
It's not just "semantics" I've told you it's not what I am. I can't be Eastern Euro. I don't call you Sweden, or African, or Eskimo right?
I talk sh*t on mexicans all the time because most of them suck.
They don't. They're the backbone of lower divisions
I dont have double standards for different fighters.
What makes you think I do?
Because I've picked Lomachenko to win?
I've been telling Postol is a bum way before he got schooled by Crawford
I don't see nothing special in Lipinets
I don't like Kovalev outside the ring and I'm not a fan of Golovkin
If you think I'm biased, give the example
Why most entertaining? Were talking skills.
And who said Mikey isn't skilled?
He didnt get the Gamboa win but your posts make it sound like you tried to imply he ducked him, which is as stupid an opinion as they come.
"Imply", "Supposedly", man, we're talking facts here. I was scared that Garcia might move up to 140 because it makes Lomachenko fight less possible. I've got angry when that Broner fight was announced only because of that, so I've mentioned Gamboa, another fight that was supposed to happen but we never had the chance to see that. But since Mikey said he's going back to 135 after Broner it's all good though
If Walters and Russell are better, its not by much.
Maybe only GRJ, because he isn't tested. Lomachenko ruined Al Haymon's investment and we don't hear about GRJ that much since then, so it's hard to rate his potential
Back when Walters KO'd Donaire (p4p fighter), Darchinyan (borderline p4p) and Marriaga, NSB fans were making threads, arguing if Walters deserved the top 10 p4p spot. It's not BS, I can back up my every word. And there were a lot of threads with people saying that Lomachenko HAS to beat Walters to prove himself. And Walters fight was the BEST possible fight for Lomachenko in this weight class and at that period of time. He passed the test with flying colors. Now all of a sudden Walters is a bum and lost because he was inactive. Sure, he was but it's not like Lomachenko was that active that year too. The fact is, before Walters fight I've made the thread where I've said that Lomachenko is a bum and overhyped. Got red k from Loma fans back then. Now I can't pretend like it's true anymore
Mikey never had the guy who was supposed to be the test for him. Not his fault though
You say inactivity is an issue but have Ward there who was inactive and has no good wins other than a robbery recently. So...
Double standards.
It's not double standarts
I've said Mikey is one of the most entertaining fighters for me out here. And I hate seeing Ward fights. But in terms of resume, Mikey's accomplishments before retirement is nowhere close to Ward's. The guy cleaned 168 division and it's still dead to this day. He holds the p4p 1 spot because there's no clear p4p leader right now. But someone has to be.
The fact that a lot of fans thinks that Kovalev fight was robbery doesn't matter. You don't have to like the result or the scorecards, but you can't ignore them. It's still a win in Ward's resume, we can argue if he deserved these belts or not, but we can't change the reality
So yeah, Ward had more accomplishments than Garcia before retirement plus he achieved more after retirement too
65/35 is condescending towards Garcia.
100/0 is even more condescending towards Loma
And I give 35% to Mikey not because he's a bad fighter, he isn't. But because Loma is wrong stylistic match up for him in my opinion. If Mikey fights Crawford, I'd favor Bud in 75/25 fight, not because Crawford is much better than Lomachenko but because he's even worse stylistic match up in my opinon
Lomachenko would have notable speed advantage over a guy who fights at the much slower pace than Loma. Mikey isn't a constant pressure fighter with veteran tactis like Salido. In order to get a win against Lomachenko, you have to neutralize his footwork, that's what I think. Mikey is a sharpshooter and very accurate with his punches, but Lomachenko has great reflexes to avoid them, plus he has way better footwork - in theory, that should help him to leave Mikey's attack range in case he gets hurt and needs some time to recover. That same footwork neutralized all that fancy handspeed from GRJ who was shadowboxing all 12 rounds. A fighter who's rough agressive and who can cut off the ring and take the space from Lomachenko should be a bigger problem than Mikey. Mikey has power advantage, but Lomachenko doesn't look chinny
It will be broner if Mikey doesn't get hit flush...broner goes into defense mode when he gets hit, but he can punch, and most certainly can hurt or ko Garcia
I voted for Broner. He has never lost at 140 and I think he will train hard for this fight. A focused, in shape, 140 pound Broner is a tough assignment for natural lightweight Mikey. I think Mikey will win and it will be his best win.
I think Lopez, Martinez and Zlat are standard wins. Especially for someone as good as Garcia.
The Salido fight was weird. Actually planned on watching that one again to refresh my memory.
Broner will be his best win IMO.
Man, I love when mother****ers starts talking **** here. Love making them look stupid
Youre a biased eastern euro fan
Are you sure you're not biased Mexican then?
I live in Asia, next to border with China, how the **** I'm eastern euro?
Geographically? I'm much closer to Korea, Japan or China or even West coast of USA than any European city. My city is more Asia than India from geographical point of view
Ethnically? There's no such ethnicity as "eastern euros"
Culturally? Russian culture and East European cultures are completely different
You already said some dumb **** in the first sentence. Damn
whose talked condescendingly about him especially in regards to Lomachenko.
Talked condescendingly I've even said Mikey is top 5 of the most entertaining fighters now
This thread is not about Lomachenko though. His name wasn't even mentioned. So I can't discuss Garcia without some retard bringing up Lomachenko for no reason at all?
lol acting like Gamboa wouldnt have gotten starched.
So what if he would? That undefeated version of Gamboa still would be the biggest win on Garcia's resume. Definitely better than Juanma who was coming off 2 losses against Salido or Roman Martinez
Higher up on your p4p list.
First of all, it because Walters and GRJ are better wins than any of these names in the poll.
Second, Garcia shouldn't be higher after 2 years of inactivity and Zlaticanin fight
You should be glad that I even have him in my p4p list, a lot of fans don't
You know Mikey would lay him out which is why you act all macho about Loma. Garcias there if you want Loma retired.
That's the difference between you and me. I know a fighter of Mikey Garcia's caliber has a chance against anybody. It doesn't mean he beats anybody, but there's always a chance for him.
That's the reason why I want to see that Loma/Garcia fight - if Mikey was a no hoper, I wouldn't be even interested. I favor Loma to win (65/35), but Garcia can pull this off too. Because boxing is unpredictable
On the other hand, you say that Loma has no chances. Tell you what, if Loma doesn't have a chance and you're 100% confident he gets laid out, why Garcia should be wasting his time on a fight with predictable result? According to your logic, why you should give him the credit for beating the guy who was supposed to get beat? You shouldn't
Let Mikey fight Broner instead
You supposedly have him as a favorite fighter yet this reeks of agenda-driven drivel.
"Supposedly" is the other way of saying "I'm not sure"
Loma is right there to get added to Garcia's resume if the b*tch wants it but Arum wont go near him.
Notice that I wasn't even calling Garcia a bitch. Or faggot. Or pussy. That's a bitch thing to do. You can criticize their resumes or boxing skills, you can make funny jokes about fighters or even call them "bums" but talking **** like that is a different thing
Your boy doesn't even have the right to stay at 140 after Broner fight, he SHOULD get back to 135, he got some unfinished business with the bitch
And if Loma beats Mikey, I don't want to see your ass giving ANY credit to Loma for that, you understand?
Better choose the option in the poll and sing along this
I seriously don't remember watching that fight or ever hearing about it. Not sure what I was up to during that time. I also got horrible memory when it comes to fights so who knows.
Juan Manuel Lopez, not Marquez right?
Mikey fanboys got mad only because I've listed his best wins in a thread that doesn't even say anything negative about him. Just naming his best wins is an insult ha ha
He has a weak resume for someone with so many fights but if he beats Broner i think he could handle the 135 champs. I really want to pick Micky to win but still undecided. His chin is a question mark for me, keep thinking of him getting dropped by Rocky. Broner might be the biggest puncher he has ever faced.
Martínez just got a flash knockdown, not really rocked
However I did see him get rocked by Juan Carlos Burgos
Which is when I started questioning his chin
He has a weak resume for someone with so many fights but if he beats Broner i think he could handle the 135 champs. I really want to pick Micky to win but still undecided. His chin is a question mark for me, keep thinking of him getting dropped by Rocky. Broner might be the biggest puncher he has ever faced.
Not anymore...
Did you not see Gamboa get stopped or rather quit his last fight? Lol
I mean back when Gamboa was relevant. Beating washed up Gamboa is nothing to brag about now I agree
lol
Garcia got you all shook.
Just admit you made this thread to downplay him. If you actually think guys like Sosa, Russell and Walters wouldnt get immediately steam-rolled by Garcia then youre even more stupid and butthurt than I thought. Like Ive said before. Have them make the fight with Lomachenko and you'll start sh*tting your pants. Your fake bravado aint fooling anyone.
This thread got nothing to do with Lomachenko, fool
"Butthurt" is when you post that long ass message and bringing up some **** that irrelevant to the topic
Zlaticanin is one of the most limited fighters I've seen. He fights like a drunk uncle
Gamboa would be his biggest win if it happened
Not anymore...
Did you not see Gamboa get stopped or rather quit his last fight? Lol