If you were an aspiring boxer, would you prefer a trainer who...

A boxer with excellent boxing skills and conditioning and little to no strategy can go very far, the best strategist the world has ever seen who doesn't have good fundamentals will forever be a gym fighter.

That's a great question. I think just a cat who can train you well gets you far. I mean look at boxing now? How many great Robert Greene book reading cats are out there? Not a lot it seems like to me. Plus I'm a fan of strategic sh^t myself so I think I could do well enough on my own in that regard to compete with most guys once my super trainer, but not so great cornerman guy got me going on all cylinders. If a trainer really does suck at strategies though, how long can that relationship last when you know he's a fukin idjiot and how do you respond to him trying to instill in you dumb moves and insisting on doing dumb stuff? I couldnt give a sht about super techniques that is impractical for the guy i'll be facing. Personally would rather a smarter trainer who can properly analyse which in turn will be teaching me useful moves for the specific opponent, eventually i'll learn when he says jab he means right hand and when he says right hand he means a left hook.

Yea, I've thought about that before. Not just with Angulo, but Khan vs Canelo. Watch what Khan does w/ Alexander and you'll see a lot of Hunter's influence. And, even though I hated how Khan fought vs Algeri, you still see a guy using his strengths and protecting his weaknesses. Smart, strategic coaching. But, there's a definite limit. Khan was able to use a great strategy with the lateral footwork and timing against Canelo. You could hear Hunter calling it out to him. But, there comes a point at which the hill is too steep to climb and even the greatest of coaches is not going to be able to save the guy from what was a real mismatch. Andy Lee vs Chavez Jr. Lee is down so Manny was demanding Lee stay out of the corner and box with him. Lee starts turning the fight around! Then, what does he do? Plants himself in the corner and gets obliterated. No matter how good the coach, fighters have their limitations. Personally, I'm fascinated with cerebral coaches and in the gym, I'd always pick the brains of anyone who had a spare minute to talk technique. Regarding the other, plenty of ups and down this month but ending it on a high note so that's a positive. Thx. Having khan box the way hunter has is not having him fight to his strengths. Khan is not a cerebral fighter and he has abysmal defense, khan would never have beaten the likes of maidana playing it careful just looking to not get ko'd and clinch, he would have gotten his ass kicked and stopped. Roach had him fighting to his strengths, using his offense as his defense and having him turning guys, speed makes a lotvof guys gunshy, not to mention that khan needs that respect early. Using his conditioning and gifts, these are his talents, not being andre ward.

Yea, I've thought about that before. Not just with Angulo, but Khan vs Canelo. Watch what Khan does w/ Alexander and you'll see a lot of Hunter's influence. And, even though I hated how Khan fought vs Algeri, you still see a guy using his strengths and protecting his weaknesses. Smart, strategic coaching. But, there's a definite limit. Khan was able to use a great strategy with the lateral footwork and timing against Canelo. You could hear Hunter calling it out to him. But, there comes a point at which the hill is too steep to climb and even the greatest of coaches is not going to be able to save the guy from what was a real mismatch. Andy Lee vs Chavez Jr. Lee is down so Manny was demanding Lee stay out of the corner and box with him. Lee starts turning the fight around! Then, what does he do? Plants himself in the corner and gets obliterated. No matter how good the coach, fighters have their limitations. Personally, I'm fascinated with cerebral coaches and in the gym, I'd always pick the brains of anyone who had a spare minute to talk technique. Regarding the other, plenty of ups and down this month but ending it on a high note so that's a positive. Thx. I can't lie, I find it all fascinating myself. I also agree with the statement about cerebral coaches. I like cerebral characters in general. We don't really have any legit boxing gyms in my city though, so I that sucks. By the by, with regard to the bolded part, if you ever feel the need to exhale about some sh*t, shoot me a PM or something. Maybe the perspective of a stranger from the internet could help, who knows? :lol1:

Learn the skills. A trainer may have a great strategy but he can't fight for you. I need to be crafted from the womb with all the tips and tricks of a high level fighter.

Granted, this a rather poorly worded thread. But I was just thinking about boxers who are able to reach the pinnacle of the sport because they're gifted enough to do so, in spite of having mediocre trainers. When Virgil Hunter gave Angulo "tactical advice" in the corner, Canelo whooped his ass. When he gave Dre advice, Dre managed to get the W, regardless of how controversial it may be. It then got me wondering whether skills are more important than ring smarts. Manny became hella successful, and he seems pretty vacuous to me. Skilled and talented as hell, though. I dunno, these were all incoherent thoughts that were bouncing around my dome immediately after waking up, and this thread was the result of that. That aside, how've you been? Everything going well for you and yours? Yea, I've thought about that before. Not just with Angulo, but Khan vs Canelo. Watch what Khan does w/ Alexander and you'll see a lot of Hunter's influence. And, even though I hated how Khan fought vs Algeri, you still see a guy using his strengths and protecting his weaknesses. Smart, strategic coaching. But, there's a definite limit. Khan was able to use a great strategy with the lateral footwork and timing against Canelo. You could hear Hunter calling it out to him. But, there comes a point at which the hill is too steep to climb and even the greatest of coaches is not going to be able to save the guy from what was a real mismatch. Andy Lee vs Chavez Jr. Lee is down so Manny was demanding Lee stay out of the corner and box with him. Lee starts turning the fight around! Then, what does he do? Plants himself in the corner and gets obliterated. No matter how good the coach, fighters have their limitations. Personally, I'm fascinated with cerebral coaches and in the gym, I'd always pick the brains of anyone who had a spare minute to talk technique. Regarding the other, plenty of ups and down this month but ending it on a high note so that's a positive. Thx.

I would take trainer #1 and bank on my ability to figure out needed adjustments during the fight.

You need some1 that is looking out for your best interest man. Yeah, at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Was amazing at training, knowledgeable, and knew a plethora of skills and extremely high level techniques... but was absolutely woeful when it game to strategies and corner advice, or an absolutely mediocre trainer, who often confused jabs for hooks and sh*t, but was second to none when it came to analysing opponents, and coming up with plans and strategies so effective, it was uncanny. Who would you go for, and why? You need some1 that is looking out for your best interest man.

Honestly I'd want an all-around bum trainer who was atrocious in all aspects, that way when I get my ass beat and look like I just drank a fifth before I entered the ring and got dropped hard off a range finding jab I could just blame his punk ass Lol, fvck off Mike. Go ask Shaolin some questions about meat tenderizing techniques. :lol1:

No to spoil the thread but strategy doesn't even come into play for aspiring fighters as they aren't in 12, or even 10 round fights. A good all-around trainer is all that they need. Now, if I were an aspiring star, getting televised fights, I'd want a coach who can devise good strategies and guide me throughout a fight. Getting in shape is something I don't need a lot of help with. Granted, this a rather poorly worded thread. But I was just thinking about boxers who are able to reach the pinnacle of the sport because they're gifted enough to do so, in spite of having mediocre trainers. When Virgil Hunter gave Angulo "tactical advice" in the corner, Canelo whooped his ass. When he gave Dre advice, Dre managed to get the W, regardless of how controversial it may be. It then got me wondering whether skills are more important than ring smarts. Manny became hella successful, and he seems pretty vacuous to me. Skilled and talented as hell, though. I dunno, these were all incoherent thoughts that were bouncing around my dome immediately after waking up, and this thread was the result of that. That aside, how've you been? Everything going well for you and yours?

Honestly I'd want an all-around bum trainer who was atrocious in all aspects, that way when I get my ass beat and look like I just drank a fifth before I entered the ring and got dropped hard off a range finding jab I could just blame his punk ass

No to spoil the thread but strategy doesn't even come into play for aspiring fighters as they aren't in 12, or even 10 round fights. A good all-around trainer is all that they need. Now, if I were an aspiring star, getting televised fights, I'd want a coach who can devise good strategies and guide me throughout a fight. Getting in shape is something I don't need a lot of help with.

I would want the trainer who put me in great shape and taught me excellent boxing skills. What good will a great strategist do me if I am not in top shape and I lack boxing skills?