Was Kell "special Knee" Brook anything other than B level?

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter. So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times. No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example. Fairly accurate summary.

Brook could have been special and 6 or 7 years ago, had teh reflexes and timing that reminded many people of Naz but he spent almost half a decade fighting in the bush leagues with one world class opponent. You can't go from that to then jumping up and fighting GGG and then fighting a strong, hard hitting contender. If you don't fight at the world level, you can't do your talent justice and you can't understandh ow to survive in the heat.

I would say A- fighter based on skills

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter. So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times. No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example. Kell shows heart but I think he should consider his health & retire.

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter. So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times. No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example. Brook should retire. Both eyes are now damaged and it's not going to go away. Like you said moving up where the fighters are bigger isn't going to work out.

Lara would box circles around him for 12 rounds. I think he just would come into fights super strong and physical, and his skills are good. Not great. A bit like Froch, biggest asset, was the toughness and power. The difference between him and Froch is Carl was never a quitter. Even when he was in trouble against Taylor and Groves he kept pushing. Kell isn't made of that stuff right now imo and I can see his heart being tested even more at 154.

I think Maidana achieved more with his talent tbh. And faced much tougher opponents aswell. Yea he achieved More,in terms of skills Brook is a bit ahead of him.

Are you serious? Golovkin singlehandly ****s on all of Maidana's opponent. And yes I think Mayweather is a much better fighter than Golovkin but not "tougher".

Well in my personal opinion Brook is just slightly above the likes of Maidana. I think Maidana achieved more with his talent tbh. And faced much tougher opponents aswell.

He had a fractured left eye socket and fought 3+ more rounds!!!!!!! Wtf more do you want!!!!!!

Kell Brook was ruined by Gennady Golovkin. Mentally and physically.

we wont ever know because brook was content with facing cab drivers for the majority of his career. he could have made some noise, hes a big guy with an iron jaw and decent skills. he wouldnt have came out on top with the depth that was there at 147 a few years back, but shame on him for not trying

Stop discrediting a mans win. Brook was a good fighter but not great or special. He was beaten by the better man. Not discrediting Spence as I was very confident he was always gonna win this fight. My views are more about Brook. Was he ever all that in the first place? His resume has three decent names on it. Porter, GGG and Spence and it could be argued that he lost all three tbh.