why do certain posters point out the early comp of loma, usyk and gvozdyk?

I wish people would simply love the sport of boxing rather than be in this thing (like a good half of this forum it seems) for racial/cultural/national reasons...It seems that boxing is another avenue were people try to assert their self worth through fighters in the ring....pathetic... East Euros get into bigger fights earlier on because their whole system is different. They have extensive amateur careers they are all Olympians and age is not on their side. They fight bigger fights early on not only because they are older and have no time, but for the simple fact that its a WAIST of time for them. Why should Loma fight no hoppers when he only really needed two fights to become champ? All of hte guys mentioned here fought in the WSB. Why does Usyk need 20 fights if all he needed was ten fights? They are not rushed because of their age (although it is a factor), they are not doing what the Americans are doing because they have a different system. American fighters have zero to no amateur careers and their amateur game is nothing like the former Soviet bloc. Soviet bloc AMs are state sponsored, they fight internationally in huge tournaments. Hence American fighters need many pro fights to get on the level. Look at Wilder.....that's a shameful example of any Olympic product, only in the game due to his physical attributes and ability to deliver devastating blows with his fists no mater how ugly or unconventional his punches might be. Nothing wrong with Spence's resume.... These resumes shouldn't be compared.

if spence beats brook he will get praise from me. at the moment hes beaten noone. that does nothing to answer my question though....typical of golovkin/EE fans to deflect and change the subject spence is 2-3 years younger than loma...and 3-4 years younger than gvozdyk.......when spence steps through those ropes against brook it will be better than anything either of those guys have done win or lose.... so why guys knocking spences resume and praising those guys for having a good/impressive resumes at 30 years old? whenever golovkins resume gets brought up you guys defend it "well hes a young 35 he still has time to right the ship lets see where it goes before we bash him" yet u guys are on about a 26/27 year old guy and his weak resume...

I think Mikey Garcia is great. A fight between him and Loma would be really exciting. I'd be backing Loma, of course, but I can see Garcia winning too. I don't see too many people dismissing Mikey. If they do, then they shouldn't. He's awesome. I think you might be downplaying the significance of how many pro fights a boxer has though. Age isn't the only factor, and I don't think it is even the biggest factor. I mean, if you take two fighters of the same age, and one has zero pro fights behind them while the other has thirty? There is a definite advantage to having that pro experience. eh...i respect your opinion...youve presented it well but if there was a big advantage do u really think that loma would wait so long to turn? and do u think he'd be facing this comp this early?...i really question if someone would wait and if someone like arum would let loma move like this at this pace if it pro experience mattered i could agree that it could matter to average to below average guys...but to guys that are special like loma ..or even mikey...i dunno if that pro experience thing really matters that much and ya...guys do bash mikey...if you arent seeing it you arent paying attention...but i agree...mikey shouldnt be getting any hate

but some have gone out of their way to knock mikey or act like loma(or any of the EE guys) are doing something more impressive because of their short pro resume...when in reality their age dicatates they should be fighting the level of comp they are fighting I think Mikey Garcia is great. A fight between him and Loma would be really exciting. I'd be backing Loma, of course, but I can see Garcia winning too. I don't see too many people dismissing Mikey. If they do, then they shouldn't. He's awesome. I think you might be downplaying the significance of how many pro fights a boxer has though. Age isn't the only factor, and I don't think it is even the biggest factor. I mean, if you take two fighters of the same age, and one has zero pro fights behind them while the other has thirty? There is a definite advantage to having that pro experience.

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is that a fair question? since mikey has been inactive and in a promotional squabble of his own? the point is...he beat salido and martinez at the same age loma did...those are common opponents...same age....so why do loma fans act like loma has accomplished some great feat because loma decided to chase medals for awhile instead of fighting pro? Because he kind of came out of nowhere and fought for a title almost immediately. That's very unusual.

i thought mikey garcia quit on his stool vs slezalido said his nose hurt him

because he hasnt fought anyone with pulse yet you all keep hyping him up. thats why it gets questioned. hes like 2-3 years younger than loma and his fight in two weeks is going to trump anything on lomas resume granted lomas overall is better....but spence is still younger and has time to catch up and surpass so why is spence dogged by guys like with you(with a name that implies you will lap up golovkin, or any eastern euros, semen) but loma is praised?

I'm not picking on Garcia because it's easy, it's reasonable to think he could have beaten Sosa and Walters. But, you can't discredit Loma and his performance against them and give Garcia theoretical credit for that. Each fighters resume is their own and Loma's is there. As for Gvozdyk, I don't think he's the top prospect at LHW, I think Beterbiev is. my point IS...im not trying to discredit LOMA!!! at all!!! but some have gone out of their way to knock mikey or act like loma(or any of the EE guys) are doing something more impressive because of their short pro resume...when in reality their age dicatates they should be fighting the level of comp they are fighting whats the difference between spence fighting brook and loma fighting any guy hes faced? none really...cept loma chased some medals and turned pro later.......but one is trashed for his resume while the other is praised for his....yet in reality spence is 2-3 years younger

yeah but didnt garcia put martinez out first? floyd took hatton out first right? then juan lazcano had him hurt...then pac knocks him out ....should we suck pac off even more for beating a guy floyd ko'd then lazcano had on queer street? again...you are picking on mikey here cause its easy..since hes been inactive and is trying to get his career back on track while loma is getting a huge push right out the gate.......when mikey was humming along he was no different than loma so address why some are impressed with gvozdyk and talking about how hes already amassed a good resume ....but someone like spence, who is 3 years younger, is going to the UK to fight brook ...and he gets trashed? I'm not picking on Garcia because it's easy, it's reasonable to think he could have beaten Sosa and Walters. But, you can't discredit Loma and his performance against them and give Garcia theoretical credit for that. Each fighters resume is their own and Loma's is there. As for Gvozdyk, I don't think he's the top prospect at LHW, I think Beterbiev is.

They share 2 common opponents. Loma is praised because of what I first said. His resume is better. Garcia put Martinez out in the 8th, Loma did it in 5. Then went on and dominated two opponents better than anything Garcia has seen 3 years all the while everyone is ducking him. That's why people praise Loma. yeah but didnt garcia put martinez out first? floyd took hatton out first right? then juan lazcano had him hurt...then pac knocks him out ....should we suck pac off even more for beating a guy floyd ko'd then lazcano had on queer street? again...you are picking on mikey here cause its easy..since hes been inactive and is trying to get his career back on track while loma is getting a huge push right out the gate.......when mikey was humming along he was no different than loma so address why some are impressed with gvozdyk and talking about how hes already amassed a good resume ....but someone like spence, who is 3 years younger, is going to the UK to fight brook ...and he gets trashed?

loma would beat salido in a rematch? probably...but we dont know loma would be garcia? maybe...but we arent really sure are we? what i am sure of his that mikey beat common opponents that he and loma share..and at the same age..... so....why do people praise loma for this and its barely a blip for mikey? why do people praise gvozdyk for his resume in other threads.....yet 27 year old spence is going to UK to fight brook and his resume is getting trashed? They share 2 common opponents. Loma is praised because of what I first said. His resume is better. Garcia put Martinez out in the 8th, Loma did it in 5. Then went on and dominated two opponents better than anything Garcia has seen 3 years all the while everyone is ducking him. That's why people praise Loma.

Who has Garcia beat in the past 3 years that's better than Loma's last 3 opponents? Lomachenko has beaten better opposition in the last 3 years, but can you answer to his questions? Your argument is totally irrelevant. Back to the question. I think this early success by the current crop of outstanding amateurs is a little bit watered down, because amateur boxing is slowly changed to the pro boxinh with the 10-9 system and the opportunity to fight in the wsb format, where they fight 5 rounders. So nowadays the guys coming from the amateur are already more accustomed to the pro boxing style and dont need as many fights to prepare themselves. Before the changes, amateur boxing favoured much more heavily the point boxer, just touching the opponent and not using any power. These guys needed more fights in the pros. When degale started as a pro, he didnt know how to punch properly.

Yes, it's a fair question. Garcia is the same age as Loma, Loma would beat Salido in a rematch, has the better resume and he'd beat Garcia. loma would beat salido in a rematch? probably...but we dont know loma would be garcia? maybe...but we arent really sure are we? what i am sure of his that mikey beat common opponents that he and loma share..and at the same age..... so....why do people praise loma for this and its barely a blip for mikey? why do people praise gvozdyk for his resume in other threads.....yet 27 year old spence is going to UK to fight brook and his resume is getting trashed?

is that a fair question? since mikey has been inactive and in a promotional squabble of his own? the point is...he beat salido and martinez at the same age loma did...those are common opponents...same age....so why do loma fans act like loma has accomplished some great feat because loma decided to chase medals for awhile instead of fighting pro? Yes, it's a fair question. Garcia is the same age as Loma, Loma would beat Salido in a rematch, has the better resume and he'd beat Garcia.

Who has Garcia beat in the past 3 years that's better than Loma's last 3 opponents? is that a fair question? since mikey has been inactive and in a promotional squabble of his own? the point is...he beat salido and martinez at the same age loma did...those are common opponents...same age....so why do loma fans act like loma has accomplished some great feat because loma decided to chase medals for awhile instead of fighting pro?

its really a rhetorical question..i already know the answer..its desperate posters in desperate need to prop up their current/future heros... but honestly...i see guys going around and saying things like 'gvozdyk already amassing an impressive resume" the dude is 30 years old FFS...and has all this "amatuer experience" that the same fans seem to value...why would this be a suprise? mikey garcia has beaten the same common opponents that loma has fought...and was the same age as loma when he beat them how come errol spences resume gets questioned....when hes 26/27 and going to the UK to fight kell brook(someone u guys had to make out to be great to try and save face for your boy golovkin).....but yall gotta question his resume meanwhile usyk is in their with 5-9 southpaws...and gvozdyk is "amassing a nice resume this early"???? Who has Garcia beat in the past 3 years that's better than Loma's last 3 opponents?