Now, i am not saying he wasn't slightly out of breath after the attack, but after watching round 5 again and listening to Froch commentary, i think it was a Wlad left hook that really put him on his jelly legs.
I don't deny he has stamina issues with all that muscle he carries, however, if you watch round 5 again i think it was wlads big shots that really hurt him?
Thoughts?
Exactly, im not ruling out his stamina issues, but a few right hands, and especially a short sharp hook wobbled him.
Ironically abit like froch in the first groves fight where he had cobwebs for 4/5 rounds after the 1st round knock down.
Totally, it was just not as visible on Carl Froch, because ofcourse, Froch is the man.
I'm quite surprised that so many people believe that you can gas in the 5th round and then box 4 more rounds, and then just regain stamina. It's not like that. Had it been stamina issues, he would have never recovered in the fight. Especially not, when it hit him so early.
I think AJ really needs to hold back on the weightlifting though. I think that might be a reason why he got hurt like that.
When he's hurt he seems to take a long time to recover. Credit to him for taking the shots tho, we all know Wladimir can punch.
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He does have a weird reaction when he gets hurt, seems to go in slow mo for a few rounds.
When he's hurt he seems to take a long time to recover. Credit to him for taking the shots tho, we all know Wladimir can punch.
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Josh was tired. But I've got to admit watching boxing in my armchair I wonder how they get tired so fast.
Didn't they train 15 rounds and spar?
Of course you can't replicate a real fight but still you hear about them training so hard
He was tired before Wlad landed any shots. Those shots didn't help, but he was sluggish as soon as Wlad got up from that KD.
Maybe slowing down, you dont notice much but it is fair to assume he would reach his limit soon at that tempo with how big he is, but he wasnt phsycailly showing it, not really, it only started with the left hook which clearly gave him a jolt right when it landed and then he was a zombie who couldnt recover because he was eating punches the rest of the round.
https://youtu.be/iLQ01FpkVAw
Mate, I can't say I give a fuck who you had winning :lol1: :lol1: Go and write some letters to the other people who had Joshua winning like HBO, WBN, The Guardian or any of the other people who agreed with me lmao.
The truth is, that the fight could've been scored for either fighter, it was pretty close. So whether you had Joshua, or Klitschko up you wouldn't be at fault. Some publications had Wladimir up others had Joshua, certain rounds like 2, 4, and 9 were closer, and round 5 could've been scored 10-9 instead of 10-8 for Joshua seeing as how Klitschko rallied.
In the end it matters little, as round 11 was the telling round to the fight. Great fight.
Combination. AJ went all out in the 5th, trying to get Wlad out of there. It's always been said that the big guys bring the heat, but run out of gas fast. Add in a couple of good shots by Klitschko, and you get what we saw in the 6th. One good thing about being young though, is that second wind.
Hahahah look how emotional you're getting. Quit crying woman, you provided no facts or logical reasons, just got flustered and insinuated i was racist.
you accusing me of being "flustered" with a opening statement of "ahaha" shows it is infact you that is seething beyond belief.
Take your loss and move on..
You said it was clear, then do a poll, and see that at least 50% will agree with me, and i suspect 60 plus will agree with me that Wlad was winning.
No, Wlad did not "clearly" lose the first 4 rounds.
the only thing clear is i have clearly won this debate, now get off this thread...
Hahahah look how emotional you're getting. Quit crying woman, you provided no facts or logical reasons, just got flustered and insinuated i was racist.
Mate, I can't say I give a fuck who you had winning :lol1: :lol1: Go and write some letters to the other people who had Joshua winning like HBO, WBN, The Guardian or any of the other people who agreed with me lmao.
You said it was clear, then do a poll, and see that at least 50% will agree with me, and i suspect 60 plus will agree with me that Wlad was winning.
No, Wlad did not "clearly" lose the first 4 rounds.
the only thing clear is i have clearly won this debate, now get off this thread...
I think he was gassed...It seemed to me he had a lot of nervous energy at the very beginning of the fight and that can burn you up a lot more than you think. He also came out hot at the start of the fifth and he was breathing with his mouth open not long after that KD allowing Wlad to come back with great success to close the round and then drop him back the round after.
I support AJ and am happy for his win, do not get me wrong, but it is a little worrying that after being gassed and hurt it took him about four rounds to collect himself. Those rounds Wladimir himself said he took calmly in his stride because he felt he would have success again later. YES, that may be Wlad's mistake in the end, but bottom line AJ was gassed and hurt in there with a man that somewhat foolishly took his time and looked for another chance down the line.
It makes you wonder, could AJ grind it out in a war with someone that can take his power and doesn't bide their time and therefore allow him his second wind a few rounds later?
it cant be that clear since most people disagree with you...if it was clear, 80 percent plus would agree with you, hey dont.
The UK Sky team, and BBC uk sports team including Stevw Bunce ALL had Wlad winning, and one of the score cards correctly had Wlad winning.
In fact if we did a poll on here i suspect at least 50 50, if not more would have Wlad winning before the 11th.
Mate, I can't say I give a fuck who you had winning :lol1: :lol1: Go and write some letters to the other people who had Joshua winning like HBO, WBN, The Guardian or any of the other people who agreed with me lmao.
How a fighter deals with adversity is a true testament to how Good he is. Gassed and hurt he somehow ground a way to by time until he could recuperate. He is a scary scary fighter.
No Lomochenko and Sergey Kovalaev are Scary fighters, Joshua is a scrub that got exposed by a past prime Wlad and got rocked by C level Fighter Dillion White...
He landed 4 punches each round which were nearly all jabs.. Joshua Clearly won the first 4, maybe I could give Wlad round 1 because at least the output was close but nothing more.
And hate the demographic? Don't try and make this a racial debate because i've given you facts to disprove your illogical scoring lmao.
it cant be that clear since most people disagree with you...if it was clear, 80 percent plus would agree with you, hey dont.
The UK Sky team, and BBC uk sports team including Stevw Bunce ALL had Wlad winning, and one of the score cards correctly had Wlad winning.
In fact if we did a poll on here i suspect at least 50 50, if not more would have Wlad winning before the 11th.
Funny that people are debating it.. He himself said he was tired i.e., meant he gassed.. Combine that with the barrage he took by the end of the round 5 & got KD in 6th.. He took almost 3-4 rounds to get his stamina back & came back by end of 10th & the 11th he pressed the action..
How a fighter deals with adversity is a true testament to how Good he is. Gassed and hurt he somehow ground a way to by time until he could recuperate. He is a scary scary fighter.
He figured it out in same fight. Must have good iQ
I personally think he gassed first then got caught.
After he knocked down Wlad, he took his mind off the game and was celebrating thinking he'd won. Wlad got up, and this drained AJ as the light at the end of the tunnel just went from his grasp. Standard mental fatigue psychology, add this to that fact he came in at his heaviest ever, and he'd just forced a Knocked via a barrage of punches.
Yeah he gassed imo.
Wlad landed the better shots, and more eye catching shots in the first 4 rounds, those fictional cumputer box esque jabs mean nothing.
There is no way Wlad lost all 4 of the first rounds unless you hate a certain demographic of fighter...
He landed 4 punches each round which were nearly all jabs.. Joshua Clearly won the first 4, maybe I could give Wlad round 1 because at least the output was close but nothing more.
And hate the demographic? Don't try and make this a racial debate because i've given you facts to disprove your illogical scoring lmao.
Round 1:
Wlad 8 landed (7 jabs 1 PP)
Joshua 9 landed (3 jabs 6 PP)
Round 2:
WK 4 (3 jabs 1 PP)
AJ 12 (7 jabs 5 PP)
Round 3:
WK 4 (3 Jabs 1 PP)
AJ 10 (4 jabs 6 PP)
Round 4:
WK 4 (2 jabs 2 PP)
AJ 12 (5 jabs 7 PP)
Round 5:
No point in talking about who was more efficient etc. Josh dropped Wlad so I give him that round even though Wlad ended the round strong (josh also outlanded him in the 5th)
No chance you can say Wlad landed the better shots when 3 out of 4 of them were jabs, Joshua out landed him with jabs and also power punches. I've watched it 3 times and came to the same conclusion every time. HBO had it the same as I did.
Now you elaborate how 4 punches landed on average for the first 4 rounds (3 of them being jabs) wins you the round..?
Wlad landed the better shots, and more eye catching shots in the first 4 rounds, those fictional cumputer box esque jabs mean nothing.
There is no way Wlad lost all 4 of the first rounds unless you hate a certain demographic of fighter...