Vlad got his tactics wrong, or at 41 he didnt realise that his left hook is not as explosive as it once was.
In the pulev and povetkin fights, it was quick and times well.
In the Joshua fight, he landed two out of 20 thrown. Eating up energy.
Joshua, who has a poor defence saw the hook everytime. Wlad will regret not sticking with what got the innitial knock down, his classic 1-2.
Wlad kinda landed a left hook after Joshua was falling, then he landed a weak left hook when Joshua was on chciken legs, other than that he had a horrible sucess rate with it.
Was it a tactical error, or did Klitscko not realise how telegraphed it was in his older years?
Thoughts?
AJ fans will say it was all AJ just like Fury fans say it was all Fury and Wlad had no issues at all but Wlad's jab was weak. He may have gone light on it to stay mobile and avoid counters (or he may have been 41 years old) but anyone who has genuinely watched the man's technique over the years knows his punch quality was not the same as in previous years.
RJJ.
I fully agree with this. I don't know what was the problem, but Wlad didn't use his jab nearly as much as he could.
When he did (and that wasn't a lot) he had a success. It was regularly landing on AJ.
Not many people are talking about it, but I think a lot of these things have to do with the fact Steward is not with him. It's not unforeseeable that Wlad would win both fights (Fury and AJ) if Many was still around. I was listing to Bank's instructions during the AJ fight and IMO they were crap. ("he can't outbox you, he can't outbox you")...
he's a HW. it only takes 1 out of 20. his left hook was honestly fine. he fought well. his gameplan was to wait for joshua to tire and pick a spot to be aggressive. it almost worked out for him. you can't fight a perfect fighw hen you're 41 and have 70 pro fights. your body just doens'tw ork liek that. he's obviosuily not as fast, explosive, quick to react as he was when he was 31, or 27.
he fought a very talented young fighter in his physical prime, one of the most talented kids in the sport. wladimir's problem is that he was 41 years old before a young, strong contender came along. i have no doubt that wladimir would beat wilder. joshua's just a combination of talent, schooling even if he's not the most experienced world champon level boxer, and the mind of a winner. the kid has a ton going for him. chin and conditioning looks good, too. most HW wladimir has hit with that right hand don't get up. these aren't welterweights.
What did einstein say, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a sign of maddness.
Wladimir is way better than joshua, but messed this up. Should have stuck to short hooks he threw at eddie chambers, povetkin etc.
I think its a mix of aging and horrible tactics.
He's a HW and for the most part they're either too far away, or tied up in close. he threw some while they were tangled up, but you can't expect a guy who throws 5 body shots all night to take the risk and get close enough to land a hard uppercut. when wladimir has gotten that close in the past 15 years he has held, and it has worked for him. the ref breaks them apart where he's always had advantages with his jab, height, punching power at arm's length. you can't expect great changes from a 41 year old fighter, it just isn't practical.
Lewis had a nasty uppercut game and he was similair height and size and reach to wlad. I think in general over the course of his career wlad should have incorporated that to his game.
Should have thrown more uppercuts. I dont know why he throws that punch so little. The one time he threw one it rocked AJ bad.
He's a HW and for the most part they're either too far away, or tied up in close. he threw some while they were tangled up, but you can't expect a guy who throws 5 body shots all night to take the risk and get close enough to land a hard uppercut. when wladimir has gotten that close in the past 15 years he has held, and it has worked for him. the ref breaks them apart where he's always had advantages with his jab, height, punching power at arm's length. you can't expect great changes from a 41 year old fighter, it just isn't practical.
Vlad got his tactics wrong, or at 41 he didnt realise that his left hook is not as explosive as it once was.
In the pulev and povetkin fights, it was quick and times well.
In the Joshua fight, he landed two out of 20 thrown. Eating up energy.
Joshua, who has a poor defence saw the hook everytime. Wlad will regret not sticking with what got the innitial knock down, his classic 1-2.
Wlad kinda landed a left hook after Joshua was falling, then he landed a weak left hook when Joshua was on chciken legs, other than that he had a horrible sucess rate with it.
Was it a tactical error, or did Klitscko not realise how telegraphed it was in his older years?
Thoughts?
he's a HW. it only takes 1 out of 20. his left hook was honestly fine. he fought well. his gameplan was to wait for joshua to tire and pick a spot to be aggressive. it almost worked out for him. you can't fight a perfect fighw hen you're 41 and have 70 pro fights. your body just doens'tw ork liek that. he's obviosuily not as fast, explosive, quick to react as he was when he was 31, or 27.
he fought a very talented young fighter in his physical prime, one of the most talented kids in the sport. wladimir's problem is that he was 41 years old before a young, strong contender came along. i have no doubt that wladimir would beat wilder. joshua's just a combination of talent, schooling even if he's not the most experienced world champon level boxer, and the mind of a winner. the kid has a ton going for him. chin and conditioning looks good, too. most HW wladimir has hit with that right hand don't get up. these aren't welterweights.
Did Wlad's jab lose some snap to it as well?
AJ fans will say it was all AJ just like Fury fans say it was all Fury and Wlad had no issues at all but Wlad's jab was weak. He may have gone light on it to stay mobile and avoid counters (or he may have been 41 years old) but anyone who has genuinely watched the man's technique over the years knows his punch quality was not the same as in previous years.
He got old. I wouldn't say he was "shot" as he was still in good shape and his mind was refocused. But, just like Kovalev fans got all giddy when he beat an over the hill Hopkins, AJ fans are doing the same. It's a good win but we have to temper our excitement a bit as this was a once-great fighter at the end of his career. I love Joe Calzaghe but I'm not going to pretend he beat a prime RJJ.
Credit to AJ for doing his homework and avoiding the left hook but like everyone else I was cringing when Wlad telegraphed it. Did Wlad's jab lose some snap to it as well? It really wasn't slowing AJ down at all.
His left hook was beyond pathetic in the Joshua fight. He used to really whip that hook but he was too stiff for it to land or do much damage. He's always stiff, but worse that night.
I'm glad that he went in there to fight this time but his accuracy and punch quality was not what it once was. Jabs were lighter. Right hand was there but again, his rigidness in that fight robbed it of some power.
What's more pathetic is that he hurt Joshua with that left hook a couple of times even if he missed it numerous times.
He lost speed and explosiveness... most fighters who had damn good left hooks lose it with age..you need speed and timing to pull off a left hook
That is a horribly racist thing to say, Larry.
Joshua watched tapes and trained to ensure he doesn't get hit with it. Wlad didn't adjust and kept wasting effort trying to throw it again and again instead of coming up with something else. Unfortunate but simple.
His left hook was beyond pathetic in the Joshua fight. He used to really whip that hook but he was too stiff for it to land or do much damage. He's always stiff, but worse that night.
I'm glad that he went in there to fight this time but his accuracy and punch quality was not what it once was. Jabs were lighter. Right hand was there but again, his rigidness in that fight robbed it of some power.
Vlad got his tactics wrong, or at 41 he didnt realise that his left hook is not as explosive as it once was.
In the pulev and povetkin fights, it was quick and times well.
In the Joshua fight, he landed two out of 20 thrown. Eating up energy.
Joshua, who has a poor defence saw the hook everytime. Wlad will regret not sticking with what got the innitial knock down, his classic 1-2.
Wlad kinda landed a left hook after Joshua was falling, then he landed a weak left hook when Joshua was on chciken legs, other than that he had a horrible sucess rate with it.
Was it a tactical error, or did Klitscko not realise how telegraphed it was in his older years?
Thoughts?
It wasn't a tactical error, he was trying to land a shot that he used to have more snap on. Simple as that.
At some point or another fighters all lost the snap on their shots. Wlad's not near as reactive as he used to be. He may be a little better in technique but even if skills get better at some point age and lack of reflexes make that meaningless.
I can always tell when he's about to throw it. The way he dips his head is a real giveaway
Exactly.
I said the exact same thing in the Pulev RBR thread (and people seemed to think it was a ridiculous observation for some reason)
He telegraphes the left hook badly, its very obvious when he's going the throw it like you mentioned he dips his head down.
You can tell from Joshua's reaction to whenever Wlad the it that he trained to specifically take away the left hook. He spent the entire fight trying to control Wlads lead hand.
I'm sure Joshua and his team studied Wlad's tactics well & were prepared. Add to that the equal height of both men and age of Wlad, and you get the result we saw. He did his best, but it just wasn't enough.
I couldn't help but notice how inaccurate it was.
I was thinking if it lands it might takes Josh's head off.
But I wasn't even thinking it was josh making him miss. I was just thinking does wlad need glasses?