...he will lose to Deontay by KO.
Let me state right here that I think Joshua will, when all is said and done, be the best Heavy of this era.
But it was clear last night that he has a lot of work to do.
It is also clear to me that Wilder may never get any better skill-wise than he is right now.
But Deontay is hella athletic.
And one thing he seems to be able to do no matter what the level of opposition happens to be is deliver clean hard right hands.
I saw AJ get hit A LOT by Wlad's right hand.
Some of them extremely clean.
Some of them that hurt Anthony pretty badly.
And when it happened I couldn't help but thinking what it would be like if it was Deontay behind those right hands.
I don't think Anthony takes Wilder's shots nearly as well as he took Klitschko's last night.
And that equals a nap on the menu for AJ.
They MUST work on AJ's defense before a fight with the Tuscaloosa Terror.
Wilder has only fought bums, he might have a puncher's chance, but believe me that he will be in Queer Street before he can land anything.
This is not another uber driver he will be fighting, this is a real trained boxer!
...he will lose to Deontay by KO.
Let me state right here that I think Joshua will, when all is said and done, be the best Heavy of this era.
But it was clear last night that he has a lot of work to do.
It is also clear to me that Wilder may never get any better skill-wise than he is right now.
But Deontay is hella athletic.
And one thing he seems to be able to do no matter what the level of opposition happens to be is deliver clean hard right hands.
I saw AJ get hit A LOT by Wlad's right hand.
Some of them extremely clean.
Some of them that hurt Anthony pretty badly.
And when it happened I couldn't help but thinking what it would be like if it was Deontay behind those right hands.
I don't think Anthony takes Wilder's shots nearly as well as he took Klitschko's last night.
And that equals a nap on the menu for AJ.
They MUST work on AJ's defense before a fight with the Tuscaloosa Terror.
That is good insight on Wilder and Joshua. I think that Joshua will get better but Wilder seems to be all he is gonna be. Maybe and maybe not but it's an interesting angle on the two fighters.
Not quite getting what you guys are saying, Joshua just fought his first top level guy, an ATG who came to fight his heart out. He did struggle for the middle rounds but it showed he can hang at that level.
Wilder hasn't fought near that level yet so we don't even know if he's even a top level guy. Wilder needs to fight a guy at the top level & then we can assess who needs to improve on what.
Joshua's flaws were demonstrated in that fight (too heavy which made him gas, not picking his shots, not taking the centre of the ring and pushing Wlad back etc.) but he'll learn so much from this that he'll be better than ever going forward.
Every comment saying Wilder will win is basically 'Wlad landed that right hand, if Wilder did he wouldn't get up' Wlad is one of the heaviest, most accurate punchers in heavyweight history & threw it with perfect technique, don't disrespect him & say Wilder would even land a right hand that clean down the pipe, I've seen nothing to indicate he's got that level of finesse.
Lastly, seems like everyone says about Wilder catching Joshua with a shot, so it sounds like Wilder has a punchers chance and not much else. Wilder doesn't have a great chin so it should be interesting if they get into a fire fight
We'll see within the next few years who's who.
Very fair and objective analysis.
Not quite getting what you guys are saying, Joshua just fought his first top level guy, an ATG who came to fight his heart out. He did struggle for the middle rounds but it showed he can hang at that level.
Wilder hasn't fought near that level yet so we don't even know if he's even a top level guy. Wilder needs to fight a guy at the top level & then we can assess who needs to improve on what.
Joshua's flaws were demonstrated in that fight (too heavy which made him gas, not picking his shots, not taking the centre of the ring and pushing Wlad back etc.) but he'll learn so much from this that he'll be better than ever going forward.
Every comment saying Wilder will win is basically 'Wlad landed that right hand, if Wilder did he wouldn't get up' Wlad is one of the heaviest, most accurate punchers in heavyweight history & threw it with perfect technique, don't disrespect him & say Wilder would even land a right hand that clean down the pipe, I've seen nothing to indicate he's got that level of finesse.
Lastly, seems like everyone says about Wilder catching Joshua with a shot, so it sounds like Wilder has a punchers chance and not much else. Wilder doesn't have a great chin so it should be interesting if they get into a fire fight
We'll see within the next few years who's who.
Why is the onus on Joshua to improvements before he fights Wilder? Sure he needs work and Wilder is dangerous, but you'd swear we were talking about Wilder like he was some proven, top level fighter, as opposed to a guy who has far more questions to answer than Joshua himself.
Make no mistake, Wilder is the one making the massive step up here. He's consistently struggling against fringe level opposition since he become a title holder. He's shown no real improvements in the last two years.
If Wilder can land the same right hands Wlad did, it's AJ that will be toast.
And frankly, Wilder has gotten that right hand in against fighters displaying better defense than Joshua did Saturday.
It does seem like you are assuming Wilder has a more powerful right hand than Wlad. Wlad is a genuine super-heavyweight with a decade long reign and umpteenth knockouts at world class level.
If Wilder can land the same right hands Wlad did, it's AJ that will be toast.
And frankly, Wilder has gotten that right hand in against fighters displaying better defense than Joshua did Saturday.
Wilder's no Wladimir Klitschko. In fact, that's a fight I'd like to see; Wlad vs Deontay. Guess we'll just have to wait and see...:boxing:
I didn't say how long Wilder would last against AJ, just that he won't prevail.
If Wilder can land the same right hands Wlad did, it's AJ that will be toast.
And frankly, Wilder has gotten that right hand in against fighters displaying better defense than Joshua did Saturday.
If Dillian Whyte and Dominic Breazeale can go into the 7th round with AJ (one of them actually buzzing Joshua in the process), I don't think it is wise to categorically dismiss what Wilder might do.
I didn't say how long Wilder would last against AJ, just that he won't prevail.
Joshua is a young pro with good boxing skills & power, but he has to tighten up his defense. Wilder is an amateur with poor boxing skills & good power, and has much worse defense. There is a reason that we haven't seen Wilder in with top HWs. If and when he does face one like Joshua, he's toast.
If Dillian Whyte and Dominic Breazeale can go into the 7th round with AJ (one of them actually buzzing Joshua in the process), I don't think it is wise to categorically dismiss what Wilder might do.
Joshua is a young pro with good boxing skills & power, but he has to tighten up his defense. Wilder is an amateur with poor boxing skills & good power, and has much worse defense. There is a reason that we haven't seen Wilder in with top HWs. If and when he does face one like Joshua, he's toast.
Guys are posting in here like wilder is the same size as Joshua lmao
Wilder would be giving up anywhere from 20 to almost 30 lbs to AJ.
But, he would also enjoy an inch in height and reach over AJ.
Skill/talent wise I think these two are neck to neck but... styles make fights and I also think Wilder beats Joshua. Of course it's boxing and the HW division nonetheless and anything can happen but I feel like Wilder should be able to beat Joshua.
They SHOULD fight in the next twelve months, there is no reason why not.
I think Wilder wants to fight, and comes to fight, more than Joshua.
Whoever lands clean first wins, I agree.
If they fight anytime soon, I'd favour Wilder to do that.
If I was Joshua I'd get in with him next, tbh because Wilder just as much as Joshua will improve if his competition goes up simply because if he doesn't he's getting taken out.
I take your arguments though and you can see it for Wilder with that kind of power. I do think Wlad is proven elite World class though so putting Wilder on equal footing with him at this stage for me means a bit of a leap of faith.
It is a good fight. I'd love to see it but I still don't know how good Wilder really is until he does it.
I am not putting Wilder anywhere near Wlad's skillset.
I am saying that we have seen Wilder's athleticism compensate for a multitude of technical flaws.
It has made him equal to any competition he has encountered on any level so far.
And against a guy with his own flaws like Joshua, it kind of evens things out or even tilts it in Wilder's favor, especially when you factor in factors like stamina.
Yes, Joshua has faced better competition but the gap isn't as wide as one would think.
Wlad is better than anyone else either has faced but after that the comp is pretty even.
http://iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html
We do know that Wilder is capable of using the ring, using movement and boxing on his toes.
If that's what we get, AJ coming forward and Deontay circling, then that is going to be advantage Wilder, who gets to jab and potshot.
AJ has to cut off the ring, back him into corners and not show the same carelessness he has exhibited in many of his fights when closing the distance.
Again, if Deontay is in any way able to walk AJ into the same type of shots Wlad was, if Deontay can get the same one-two combos in Wlad was, that's going to be a huge problem for AJ.
Which is why I am saying he should not be so quick to get in with Wilder until that defense gets tighter.
If I was Joshua I'd get in with him next, tbh because Wilder just as much as Joshua will improve if his competition goes up simply because if he doesn't he's getting taken out.
I take your arguments though and you can see it for Wilder with that kind of power. I do think Wlad is proven elite World class though so putting Wilder on equal footing with him at this stage for me means a bit of a leap of faith.
It is a good fight. I'd love to see it but I still don't know how good Wilder really is until he does it.
I agree to an extent. Wilder will likely hit him with something.
But will the likely strength advantage of Joshua negate Wilder's ability to follow up? I'd also imagine Joshua would likely take centre ring and could put Wilder in reverse (though I appreciate the Spzillka KO was class).
I also agree with the poster who said Joshua's legs seem to go to concrete when hurt and Wilder would love that.
But for me, Joshua could probably take centre ring and work successfully behind a jab and could probably beat Wilder up a little bit.
I could be underestimating Wilder but in fairness to myself even now he's hard to judge apart from knowing he can likely KO anyone. We know a lot more about Joshua than we do about Wilder already based on last night's fight.
As it stands, I'd rather be Joshua in the fight than Wilder.
We do know that Wilder is capable of using the ring, using movement and boxing on his toes.
If that's what we get, AJ coming forward and Deontay circling, then that is going to be advantage Wilder, who gets to jab and potshot.
AJ has to cut off the ring, back him into corners and not show the same carelessness he has exhibited in many of his fights when closing the distance.
Again, if Deontay is in any way able to walk AJ into the same type of shots Wlad was, if Deontay can get the same one-two combos in Wlad was, that's going to be a huge problem for AJ.
Which is why I am saying he should not be so quick to get in with Wilder until that defense gets tighter.
I havent read through all the answers yet, but I dont see why people rate Wilder so highly. He didnt really struggle that much, but he lost rounds against subpar opposition. A boxer who is seen as one of the top contenders shouldnt lose rounds against guys like szpillka and Washington.
In addition to that, even though Wilder has a good reach and is awkward, he isnt exactly hard to hit. Klitschko was hard to hit, because of his jab and clinching tactics, but Joshua was still able to get to Klitschko.
He didnt look perfect and was hurt and gassed against klitschko, but as long as wilder continues to fight average opponents, he shouldnt be rated higher than joshua.
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