ANTHONY JOSHUA could knock out Wladimir Klitschko next week and still end up losing his IBF heavyweight crown. The London 2012 Olympic gold medallist takes on Klitschko at Wembley Stadium on April 29. He will defend his IBF belt for the third time while the vacant WBA/IBO straps will also be on the line. Click Here To Read More]
They tried to fight Pulev in December, he didn't want it.
You mean Pulev refused to fight as an optional defence for 100k when he will be mandated after tomorrow ?
Lol.
It's not my fault that you have no idea how sports work.
right son, Martin and Glazkov is " how sports work " LMAO
you could at least attempt to sound like you have a clue
About, that just makes you an even bigger fanboy. How about favoring yourself and trying to improve your life? You're literally one of the most illogical and unintelligent posters on this site. Being a huge fanboy for "EVERY" fighter just makes you sad and pathetic.
I didn't forget to reply to anything. If you want to invent an argument nobody ever made so you can argue with yourself, I'm not going to stop you, but I don't have to play along either.
says the only guy who thoroughly enjoyed Martin/Glazkov :lol1:
defending the IBF was dumb !!
This is a business. Everybody is trying to maximize their profit. Promoters, managers, sanctioning bodies, networks AND FIGHTERS are all equally greedy. Only a fanboy would favor one over another. Which is exactly what you are. A fanboy. Blindly favoring whatever fighters you have a crush on over everybody else in the business.
you are an idiot
I favor EVERY fighter, over EVERY leech
convenient that you " forgot " to reply to this.....
the guy who beat the long-standing heavyweight kingpin - Wladimir Klitschko - should not have been stripped 8 days later.....
* especially when the rematch is #1 vs #2 at HW.....
* especially considering the fact that the ex-kingpin Klitschko deserves an opportunity to earn his titles back and prove that was an off-night.....
* and especially not in favor of Charles fkn Martin and whatshisname Glazkov
that was truly retarded
when you argue that something retarded SHOULD happen..... and that the best thing for heavyweight boxing should NOT happen..... it is clearly obvious that you have little/no love for the sport, and are most likely just a casual fanboy who hates Tyson Fury
the fact that the IBF stripped the #1 heavyweight because he intended to fight the #2 heavyweight...., is WRONG !!
that epitomises EVERYTHING that is wrong with boxing
About Time, it's funny that you call others "fanboy" when your entire position is that if someone ISN'T a fanboy, they shouldn't be allowed to post here.
I do not value anyone over anyone. This is a business. The business exists to convince people to spend money to see other people punch each other.
If you enjoy watching people punch each other, that's lovely. But I have no more respect or concern for the puncher as I do for the promoter. Both are simply trying to make as much money as they can.
My allegiance is to myself.
If your allegiance is to someone else, you're a fanboy.
you can post wherever you want
but if you favor dirty greedy promoters, dirty greedy managers, dirty greedy ABC organizations, and dirty greedy TV networks..... over fighters..... then your opinion is ignorant and should not be taken seriously
the guy who beat the long-standing heavyweight kingpin - Wladimir Klitschko - should not have been stripped 8 days later.....
* especially when the rematch is #1 vs #2 at HW.....
* especially considering the fact that the ex-kingpin Klitschko deserves an opportunity to earn his titles back and prove that was an off-night.....
* and especially not in favor of Charles fkn Martin and whatshisname Glazkov
that was truly retarded
when you argue that something retarded SHOULD happen..... and that the best thing for heavyweight boxing should NOT happen..... it is clearly obvious that you have little/no love for the sport, and are most likely just a casual fanboy who hates Tyson Fury
the fact that the IBF stripped the #1 heavyweight because he intended to fight the #2 heavyweight...., is WRONG !!
that epitomises EVERYTHING that is wrong with boxing
you rate IBF rubbish over common-sense..... despite the fact that the IBF are only 1 of the 4 official sanctioning turds..... and despite the fact that their rankings are clearly second-rate..... so if you ever see fit to put your childish hate to one side and put boxing first, you may get a different reaction
doesn't that actually make you the fanboy? worshiping fighters and obsessing over whether others value them the most?
this is a business. boxing is entertainment. it exists to separate the public from their money. nothing more. nothing less......
is that what happened..... ?
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if you do not value the fighters, over the leeches..... then you should not be here
you casual fans are retards
..... promoters, managers, sanctioning bodies, networks, etc are no more or no less greedy than fighters. everyone is trying to get the most money they have the leverage to negotiate.
kid..... the fighters take punches, the leeches do not
why the fk are you here ?
You're aware Wlad was ordered to defend his WBA and WBO against Fluff Furry with the IBF mandating the winner to face Glazkov, nobody would have been stripped if they had not chosen the more lucrative option of a rematch. Those orders were in place before the Furry Klitschko fight.
who cares, Glazkov is shht
Klitschko/Fury II is the most meaningful fight in boxing *
Glazkov/Martin was shht
they replaced meaningful, with shht
#strictlysecondrate
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* i mean, hw boxing
Meaningless empty rhetoric. The sport of boxing and the fighters come first? First before what? Birth? School? Work? Death?
Boxing is entertainment. It exists to separate the public from their money. Period.
Completely illogical, which is par for the course for you. By that logic, the WBC is no more prestigious than the WBU. You don't make any sense.
disappointed that you need help with that question
fighters come before.....
* dirty greedy promoters
* dirty greedy managers
* dirty greedy ABC organizations
* dirty greedy TV networks
* dopey ignorant fanboys
ALWAYS remember that, won't you ?
Why is it possible to lose a belt, because he cant make two defenses at the same time? boxing is so ridiculous.
Unified champion should have unified mandatories. Let the #1 contender of each organisation fight each other.
The WBA and WBO apppinted Fluff Furry mandatory for Klitschko, working together.
they were dumb as dogsh1t to strip Fury
it made them look strictly second-rate
like your post ;)
who cares if they enforce stupidity ?
they seriously need to work on their rankings
You're aware Wlad was ordered to defend his WBA and WBO against Fluff Furry with the IBF mandating the winner to face Glazkov, nobody would have been stripped if they had not chosen the more lucrative option of a rematch. Those orders were in place before the Furry Klitschko fight.
About Time -
People who are educated and successful care about reading. I said one thing. Because you are a ****ing idiot who doesn't know how to read, you thought I said something completely different.
we disagree on the same things we disagreed on last time
1) the sport of boxing, and the fighters..... come first, period
2) NONE of the ABC bodies are definitive, so NONE of the ABC bodies are any better than another..... ALL are highly questionable, because NONE of them put boxing ahead of their own greedy/selfish interests..... some have been (rightly) widely-criticized for YEARS, including the WBC
they change over time, one ABC body will occasionally have more champions than the others..... but that "purple patch" is never definitive, never 100% accurate
if one organisation had a reasonable argument for being definitive, there would not be 4 recognized sanctioning organisations
defending them is beyond retarded, and NOT the actions of someone who places the sport/fighters ahead of everything else
favoring a greedy promoter, or a greedy sanctioning organisation, over a fighter..... is totally unjustifiable
lets leave it
you're lying. it's the only one of the major bodies that hasn't had a major bribery scandal.
even sulaiman's harshest critics would admit the WBC was the only org that wouldn't sell rankings.
sulaiman was independently wealthy and wasn't going to risk his life's dream of ruling boxing for low level $2,000 bribes to rank an unknown super flyweight.
wba and ibf were selling rankings all day long.
the head of the wba's bribing scheme was publicly outed by arum, so the wba was forced to fire him.
so he founded the wbo.
foolio, this is from wiki LMAO..... :lol1:
Many in the boxing community have accused the WBC of bending its rules to suit the powerful boxing promoter Don King. The journalist Jack Newfield wrote, "... became more King's junior partner than his independent regulator". Another journalist, Peter Heller, echoes that comment: "Sulaiman...became little more than an errand boy for Don King". Heller quotes British promoter Mickey Duff as saying, "My complaint is that José Sulaimán is not happy his friend Don King is the biggest promoter in boxing. Sulaiman will only be happy when Don King is the only promoter in boxing."
Newfield and Heller take issue with the following actions of the WBC:
When Leon Spinks won the WBA and WBC Heavyweight championships from Muhammad Ali in 1978, the WBC stripped Leon Spinks of his title. José Sulaimán said the WBC did so because Spinks was signed for a rematch with Ali instead of fighting a Don King fighter, Ken Norton. Norton defended the WBC title against another Don King fighter, Larry Holmes, who won the belt.
In 1983, WBC Super Featherweight champion Bobby Chacon was signed to fight Cornelius Boza Edwards, the WBC's mandatory challenger for his title. But, the promoter Don King wanted his fighter, Héctor Camacho, to fight for the title. Although WBC rules said the mandatory challenger should receive a shot at the title, the WBC withdrew its sanction from the fight. It stripped Chacon of his title for refusing to fight Camacho.
Under WBC rules, a fighter is supposed to defend his title against a mandatory challenger at least once a year. For fighters controlled by Don King, this rule is often ignored. For instance, as WBC champions, Alexis Argüello and Carlos Zarate, were allowed to ignore their obligations to their mandatory contenders.
While WBC Super Featherweight champion, Julio César Chávez wanted to fight top contender Roger Mayweather for a promoter other than Don King. The WBC withheld its sanction of the fight until Don King became promoter.
When Mike Tyson lost to James "Buster" Douglas during an IBF, WBC and WBA Heavyweight championship defense, King convinced the WBC (along with the WBA) to withhold recognition of Douglas as heavyweight champion. King claimed that Tyson had won the fight due to knocking down Douglas, and the referee's giving Douglas a "long count". The referee Octavio Meyran, in an affidavit, claims that King threatened to have the WBC withhold payment of Meyran's hotel bill if Meyran did not support King's protest. Because of intense public pressure, both the WBA and WBC backed down and recognized Douglas as champion.
In 1992, the WBC threatened to strip Evander Holyfield of his title for defending it against Riddick Bowe instead of Razor Ruddock. Holyfield obtained a court order to stop the organization. In a taped deposition for the United States Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Holyfield said that the WBC wanted him to defend his championship against Ruddock because Ruddock was managed by King.
During the 1990s, the WBC did not allow its champions to engage in unification bouts with WBO champions. However, in 1993, the super-middleweight showdown between WBC champion Nigel Benn and WBO champion Chris Eubank, promoted by Don King, was recognized as a title unification fight by the WBC. Each champion fought to a draw in his bout and each retained their respective titles.
When Mike Tyson was released from prison in 1995, the WBC installed him as their #1 contender for their heavyweight championship. Tyson had not fought in four years, but was promoted by Don King.
In 1993, Julio César Chávez, managed & promoted by Don King, got a majority draw against Pernell Whitaker in their WBC welterweight title fight in San Antonio, Texas. Virtually every ringside observer and boxing analyst had Whitaker winning at least 8 or 9 of the 12 round fight, and CompuBox statistics showed Whitaker outlanding Chavez by a wide margin. But two of the three judges had the fight scored even. The fight was promoted by King, and 2 of the judges were not appointed by the state's boxing commission (in this case, Texas) like any other time; instead, they were appointed by the WBC. It had been reported that Don King had a hand in helping to secure the WBC judges for the fight. To this day, the resulting draw is considered one of the most controversial decisions ever.
In 2000, Chávez, still promoted by King, was the mandatory challenger for Kostya Tszyu's WBC super lightweight title. Chávez did not appear to satisfy requirements for a mandatory challenger: he had not fought at super lightweight for two years, had recently lost to journeyman boxer Willie Wise, and had not beaten a top contender since losing his first fight to Oscar De La Hoya in 1996.
In 2005, the WBC stripped Javier Castillejo of his super welterweight title for fighting Fernando Vargas instead of Ricardo Mayorga, a fighter promoted by Don King. The WBC qualified Mayorga for a shot at the super welterweight title although he had never fought at that weight limit and had lost two of his last three fights.
you casual fans are ridiculous
seriously, how long have you been following this sport ?
the WBC have made bizarre decision followed by bizarre decision for DECADES, and have done a handsome job of lining their own pockets at the expense of fighters
I have never heard one person EVER defend the WBC
oh, except for you
REAL boxing fans hold those asshat's in contempt
CASUALS put them on a pedestal, and say they are great :lol1:
why the hell are you here, you clearly have no love for the sport ? LOL
neither are a current heavyweight champion. please learn how to read.
who gives a flying fat fk ?
why do you fixate on rubbish ?
FACT: the two best heavyweight's are Klitschko/Fury
FACT: the most meaningful fight at HW is Klitschko/Fury
you asked for a heavyweight with a better resume than Wilder..... well, I just gave you TWO of them..... and wow, what a coincidence..... that is the very same fight that caused the IBF to sh1t the bed..... oh, and YOU supported that bed-sh1tting exercise wholeheartedly
listen, everyone can clearly see that the IBF were stupid
EVERYONE can clearly see that the IBF should have allowed the rematch to continue
it was best for the heavyweight division, AND it was best for boxing
the IBF made a ridiculous decision that was clearly NOT in the best interests of boxing, and YOU supported them
there are only two possible reasons to support that decision.....
1) you are a fkn muppet
2) you hate Tyson Fury
neither of those reasons are acceptable
it appears you are supporting that IBF stupidity because you hate Tyson Fury, either that or..... ?
why can't you casuals make the best decision for boxing ?
there are 50,000,000 of you clowns, are each of you going to make similarly dumb decisions that are also not in the best interests of boxing?
fk me :thinking:
So which current heavyweight champion has better wins than Deontay has?
Stop stalling. Name a name and explain.
Klitschko, and Fury !!
the TWO guys who got passed over for Glazkov and Martin
#theIBFdoe
#rulesdoe
not saying you should. i'd be fine with everyone ignoring every organization besides the wbc. then we'll have one champion per divison.
little more complicated than that. their rankings are the fairest and most honest. but stars dont want fair and honest. stars want special treatment.
so the IBF is the best way to get your title shot enforced, but once you are a champion, youd much rather have a different belt so title shots wont be as strictly enforced.
i agree with you that the belt is losing value. just like fans slowly realized the WBA three champion nonsense meant a WBA title was inferior, fans will slowly realize top fighters are always ditching the IBF and that it's inferior as well.
which just separates the WBC even further from the rest of the pack.
the WBC have been riddled with bribery and corruption
ANY bunch of fools could rule alone
Thanks & yea I feel you with that. Its perverse that so much of the boxing news cycle is about these corrupt abc groups & part of being a knowledgeable fan is knowing all the bs with these groups rules & mandatories & their nutty rankings & so on & so forth lol.
exactly !!
#rulesdoe
IBF doesn't allow step aside deals.
Doesn't matter what the IBF would rather have. The rules are the rules. The IBF can't break the rules just because breaking the rules would make them more money.
How are so many of you completely unaware of how this sport operates?
who gives a fk what the IBF want/think ?
their belt is becoming worthless because their rankings suck
they passed up Klitschko or Fury, for Glazkov or Martin
EVERYONE can see that was absurd
oh, except you
#rulesdoe
Bro. I dig you and hope your game is doing well, BUT you don't know sh-t about the IBF.
The IBF will strip a mfer quicker than any other abc group out there. They stripped Fury mad quick after he beat Klitschko so Charles Martin and that broken knee cap or whatever guy could fight for the vacant title on some undercard iirc lol. The IBF belt is the hot potato belt.
game has left me out of sync with reality! honestly don't normally follow whats going on with the sanctioning bodies - bores me ****less most of the time.
btw, love the sig.
If Wladimir had won, he would have fought Glazkov next. So he wasn't the one breaking his promise to the IBF, Fury was.
As for Joshua, Hearn can claim all he wants that he has to drop a belt because you can't fight two mandatories at once, but that's bull****. Federal courts have already ruled that you can't be stripped for fighting a mandatory. The organizations have an agreed upon rotation.
... Thanks... for the knowledge you shared here...
*later edit: Green K sent! :)