Mayweather from Genaro to Chavez vs Lomachenko Compubox H2H Comparison

You heaping so much on Loma so early is why he garners hate. SHUT THE **** UP and let the man build his legacy. It would literally take 15 years of dominance for Loma to reach that Floyd status of being a top 10 ATG and the best of his era.

When it comes to close fights I agree because they can be misleading and I don't like when it gets mentioned to explain why one guy won. in this case out of the 18 fights only Loma-Salido was close, and even then the stats seem to reflect pretty accurately. I think compubox tends to be more reliable in one sided fights. It's all about watching the fight to see the quality I agree but this was to give a more realistic stat comparison weight and career stage wise than the one posted a few days back. I like Loma a lot and can't stand the fashion he lost to Salido but I don't blame Salido if he wants a big payday. The guy has been in so many wars and is at the end of his career. He's thinking I beat this guy already but it was close and i'll most likely lose big this time so I deserve to get paid well for a rematch, can you really blame him for that? Avenging the loss will be great no doubt but it won't erase the first fight, that's always there no matter what but either way I think most people agree Loma is better than Salido. If he really wants to avenge it that much just give the guy a bit extra money, if not that's fine move on and carry on to greatness. When I say pricing himself out, I mean asking for 1 million when he made what? 50k his last fight? I heard he wants 500k, if I were lomachencho, I'd let some of my money go to beat that azz.

I can't believe you let a moron like Daggum sway your opinion so easily. He's one of the most based people on this forum. And he's an asswipe

I can't believe you let a moron like Daggum sway your opinion so easily. He's one of the most based people on this forum. Had to mean biased because he's nowhere near Based https://boxden.com/smilies/jiRiOx7.png

Insighful research and interesting information. But the results of an old guy pressing buttons doesn't tell me anything on the quality of a fighter. When it comes to close fights I agree because they can be misleading and I don't like when it gets mentioned to explain why one guy won. in this case out of the 18 fights only Loma-Salido was close, and even then the stats seem to reflect pretty accurately. I think compubox tends to be more reliable in one sided fights. It's all about watching the fight to see the quality I agree but this was to give a more realistic stat comparison weight and career stage wise than the one posted a few days back. Lomachencho is a fabulous talent, the problem is, they will never fight, we will never know, and it doesn't matter because the fight will never happen. I'm a huge fan of lomachencho, and think he will be #1 p4p, in fact, as far as his skills go vs opponents thus far, there's NO fvcking way that I would EVER rate golovkin #1. Now, in a fantasy p4p skill for skill (if you don't get what p4p is then stfu) I think lomachencho has a hell of a lot harder time beating ward because of inside work, ring savvy, etc. Thus I might put ward above him by 1 spot, Gonzalez? Even though the last fight was a joke decision, yes I still think lomachencho is better, he lands more and gets hit less. I'm not concerned with the salido loss because it was not only dirty, but unfair on many levels...lomachenko now? Flattens salido worse than getting Pacquiao'd. Vs 130 lb floyd? The reach and the speed are the biggest reasons why Floyd wins this. @ 130 floyd was just too damn fast with single, sharp, accurate, and knockout power punches. Floyd also had a very good inside game. Obviously, you have to get to your opponent in order to hit him, and I still say on the way in he would set traps for lomachencho and would run him right into power shots that would rock, or stop him. This is based on 9 or 10 fights though. The great thing about lomachencho is he literally could be considered an atg by the time he hits 20 fights if he goes after the very top guys. If he beats Garcia and how he beats him, will determine a lot, though I know he would love to avenge that Salido loss first, I just think salido would be too puzzy to take the fight and will price himself out. I like Loma a lot and can't stand the fashion he lost to Salido but I don't blame Salido if he wants a big payday. The guy has been in so many wars and is at the end of his career. He's thinking I beat this guy already but it was close and i'll most likely lose big this time so I deserve to get paid well for a rematch, can you really blame him for that? Avenging the loss will be great no doubt but it won't erase the first fight, that's always there no matter what but either way I think most people agree Loma is better than Salido. If he really wants to avenge it that much just give the guy a bit extra money, if not that's fine move on and carry on to greatness.

Can't really argue much with that. If Floyd was 48-1, which I think he should be (as do most) - because he absolutely, 100% lost the first Castillo fight, and it really wasn't even that close lol. Or maybe 47-2 in his toss-up fights with Pac and Maidana I, then it's literally looked at in an entirely different scope. I used to be a critic of Floyd, but I tried to come around some after he retired (supposedly), and give him his props. But when looking at it like this, it really does put things in perspective. While definitely a top 3-5 boxer of his era, he's nowhere close to top-5 ATG - I definitely retract that. I can't believe you let a moron like Daggum sway your opinion so easily. He's one of the most based people on this forum.

Native Americans, man. Indians come from India - just sayin. Columbus clearly DKSAGeography. Yes, native Americans

Native Americans, man. Indians come from India - just sayin. Columbus clearly DKSAGeography. indians=indio moreno= black/dark brown indio+black/dark brown american+ referred to the copper skinned indigenous people europeans encountered when they reach the caribbean and east coast of united states...its in the dictionary they literally grouped everyone as negro, ethiopian or black that wasnt of european descent until the 1900s..people were sick back then

No school books, they don't even tell kids we took this land from the Indian people anymore lol nor do they tell that africans that came during 1400s after were brought as slaves nor do they teach children of the empires in asia, africa and the pacific islands that landed in the americas thousands of years before any european contact thats why doing your own research is important

No school books, they don't even tell kids we took this land from the Indian people anymore lol Native Americans, man. Indians come from India - just sayin. Columbus clearly DKSAGeography.

Loma's total landed per round should be 23.1 not 16.9 (per the link you gave). Just as aside also if I'm gonna use compubox at all the stat I always think is most relevant is one that they don't usually give you, but which can be relatively easily calculated - the ratio of punches landed per round to opponent landed per round. Just at a rough calculation Loma's ratio is about 3:1 which is higher I think than any other recent championship level fighter AFAIK (Kovalev and Golovkin for example - prior to their most recent fights maxed out at around 2.5:1) My mistake i'll edit the OP

its pretty damn stupid also what amazes me is how people who barely have done any true research about africa, its people, and history know so much if you want to know the truth, you go to the source, research the source, learn from their teachers and people in africa...not some school book No school books, they don't even tell kids we took this land from the Indian people anymore lol

I admit I have next to no knowledge on this topic, I'm about as white as one can get, with my heritage coming from both (english) and Irish decent, my family migrated here after my great grandfather (how many generations I have no idea) who was a surgeon had helped a high up English official in saving his life, was grateful and gifted him a large piece of land about 30 or so miles from where I live now. Most people on these boards think I'm black and don't believe I'm white anyway, but I don't care. The bottom line for me is the racism on here is just beyond stupid and out of control honestly. To not like a fighter because they are black, white, hispanic, etc, etc is just hard for me to understand. its pretty damn stupid also what amazes me is how people who barely have done any true research about africa, its people, and history know so much if you want to know the truth, you go to the source, research the source, learn from their teachers and people in africa...not some school book

KEmet is in africa...arabs invaded just like the ottomon empire, turks, Rome, etc. Kemet was NOT the only great empire in africa.....Mali, The Songhay, Congo, Kush, Punt, Ashanti, Mauritania, etc had great empires before invasions so i never understood why people clinge to Egypt....you wouldnt know this because you never studied african history pre-invasions all black americans are not JUST descendants of west africa bro...Many have eastern african, southern, central ancestry as well. Kemetic people, Egyptians they depicted themselves as dark skin africans to medium brown read a book...the ancient egyptians pre-arab invasions migrated from central africa where the Nile begins by the Congo....look it up the idea of race itself was created by europeans with no scientific authenticity to justify the bs they did to people across the planet...race does not exist bro...you're not very educated are you? if it makes you feel better to insult me, go right ahead....makes your insecurities more evident bwhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa I admit I have next to no knowledge on this topic, I'm about as white as one can get, with my heritage coming from both (english) and Irish decent, my family migrated here after my great grandfather (how many generations I have no idea) who was a surgeon had helped a high up English official in saving his life, was grateful and gifted him a large piece of land about 30 or so miles from where I live now. Most people on these boards think I'm black and don't believe I'm white anyway, but I don't care. The bottom line for me is the racism on here is just beyond stupid and out of control honestly. To not like a fighter because they are black, white, hispanic, etc, etc is just hard for me to understand.

I actually made a post WEEKS ago saying how West Africans should be proud of the Ghanian and Mali empires, and how Timbuktu would have been a sight to behold back in the day. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the world; West Africans look nothing like East Africans, and African tribes found in the south like the Khoi San, look nothing like either of those. "Africa" is a social-construct - it's a name given to a land mass by humans. It doesn't mean that every population native to the continent was "black." Egypt lies on the mediterranean and is close to Sumeria - the cradle of civilization. It was referred to as "Kemet" because of the black soils found in the area after floods. LOL not because "the people were black." The Egyptians CLEARLY DEPICTED themselves as different from the Nubians, who they depicted as having features of West-Africans. If you go back far enough, everyone is related to everyonee. But there is absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to believe that the descendants of slaves from West Africa were any more genetically related to Ancient Egyptians, than the "Middle Eastern" people who populate the country today. Egypt was closer to "Arabic" countries and middle-eastern Caucasian people than the West Africans. So - why don't blacks ever talk about Ghanian empire? Or Mali Empire? Why is it only "WE WUZ KANGS N SHEET". Or what's even MORE HILARIOUS - is to hear them claim than they were the Moors. It's HILARIOUS! I literally laugh when I see these types of people. But if it makes them feel better about themselves? Why not, right? Whatever keeps them from engaging in violent crime. news flash genius....Kemet/Egypt is in africa and the majority of the people there today are descendants of invaders bro...come on thats like saying present day americans are the real americans....are you that dense.... egypt is in africa...look at a globe or map for god's sake...its like saying korea isnt a part of asia smdh is there a middle north? is there a middle west? there is no middle east bro...its a sociopolitical term used by arab invaders to seperate it from the rest of the african diaspora....READ A BOOK.....KEMET IS ON THE AFRICAN TECTONIC PLATE...SO IS ISRAEL WHO said they were related? they are on the same continent and tectonic plate genius it trips me out how people who dont even study certain "know" so much.....its clear you have no idea what you are talking about as far as African History the only thing caucasians have to do with egypt, like everywhere else, is invading...thats it....whites have no connection to egypt i dont understand the obsession with it

Insighful research and interesting information. But the results of an old guy pressing buttons doesn't tell me anything on the quality of a fighter. Well, I'm not saying it's 100% accurate, however, it's more than "1 old guy". There are 2 people (1 for each fighter obviously) and each has to either have been a boxer themselves, or have had to cover fights at ringside in some form, so they have to understand the sport very well, they are then trained for 6 months watching dvds of fights and counting punches to check accuracy. Once they feel they are satisfactory, they will go to live fights, work undercards, while still having someone else count along with them, do its pretty extensive. Again, is it 100%? No, and there's no way it really can be.

well you mentioned some nonsense about how pac went backwards when talking about why floyd won. you certainly arent going to be talking about punches since you will lose that one every time. oh cept that right hand in round 1. that right hand in round 1 was so good it won floyd 10 rounds! 10-2! schooled! pac was gun-shy! the guy coming forward and landing the cleaner shots and forcing floyd to hold and bend over nonstop was gun-shy. the guy throwing arm-punches, clinching, and bending over was not though. :lol1: let me guess you studied the fight in slow motion like spoon23 did? :lol1: I WAR ROOTING FOR PACQUIAO TO BEAT FLOYD! :pat: in no way I wanted floyd to win but he did that. He won. again i was rooting for pacquiao to win. Ask any of the floyd fans here.

A lot of people were saying it's not accurate to compare the older Mayweather to a prime Loma so lets see how they're stats compare from Mayweather at 130. Instead of doing his first 9 fights I did from Genaro Hernandez to the Jesus Chavez fight since the level of opposition would be higher to make it fair. Manfredy isn't included because his stats aren't available. These are total punches, not split into jabs and power. TPR: Total Thrown Per Round, TLR: Total Landed Per Round, OTPR: Opponent Total Thrown Per Round, OTLR: Opponent Total Landed Per Round Mayweather 221/412 (54%) / Genaro 103/314 (31%) 8 rounds TPR: 51.5, TLR: 27.6, OTPR: 39.3, OLPR: 12.9 Mayweather 335/593 (57%) / Rios 155/423 (37%) 12 rounds TPR: 49.4, TLR: 27.9, OTPR: 35.25, OLPR: 12.9 Mayweather 209/385 (54%) / Juuko 147/488 (30%) 9 rounds TPR: 42.8, TLR: 23.2, OTPR: 54.2, OLPR: 16.3 Mayweather 220/346 (64%) / Gerena 99/308 (32%) 7 rounds TPR: 49.4, TLR: 31.4, OTPR: 44, OLPR: 14.1 Mayweather 244/567 (43%) / Vargas 159/505 (31%) 12 rounds TPR: 47.25, TLR: 20.3, OTPR: 42.1, OLPR: 13.25 Mayweather 287/669 (43%) / Augustus 108/526 (21%) 9 rounds TPR: 74.3, TLR: 31.9, OTPR: 58.4, OLPR: 12 Mayweather 220/424 (53%) / Corrales 60/205 (29%) 10 rounds TPR: 42.4, TLR: 22, OTPR: 20.5, OLPR: 6 Mayweather 242/520 (46%) / Hernandez 172/676 (25%) 12 rounds TPR: 43.3, TLR: 20.2, OTPR: 56.3, OLPR: 14.3 Mayweather 197/456 (43%) / Chavez 182/925 (20%) 9 rounds TPR: 50.6, TLR: 21.8, OTPR: 102.8, OPLR: 20.2 Mayweather Overall TPR: 50.1 Overall TLR: 25.4 Overall Opp. TPR: 50.3 Overall Opp. TLR: 13.5 Overall Connect %: 50.7 Overall Opp. Connect %: 28.4 Overall +/-: 22.3 Lomachenko Overall TPR: 61.9 Overall TLR: 16.9 Overall Opp. TPR: 47 Overall Opp. TLR: 7.9 Overall Connect %: 37.5 Overall Opp. Connect %: 16.8 Overall +/-: 20.7 Detailed Loma stats: http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-vs-lomachenko-head-head-stat-comparison--115530 Who lands more and gets hit less? Overall TLR: Floyd + 8.5 Overall Opp. TLR: Loma + 5.6 Overall Connect %: Floyd + 13.2 Overall Opp. Connect %: Loma + 11.6 Overall +/-: Floyd +1.6 Loma total score: 17.2 Floyd total score: 23.3 In these categories Floyd wins 3-2. These stats show that PBF threw more and was more accurate than Money but got hit quite a lot more than Money or Loma. If you include punches thrown Loma has the advantage. Loma's total landed per round should be 23.1 not 16.9 (per the link you gave). Just as aside also if I'm gonna use compubox at all the stat I always think is most relevant is one that they don't usually give you, but which can be relatively easily calculated - the ratio of punches landed per round to opponent landed per round. Just at a rough calculation Loma's ratio is about 3:1 which is higher I think than any other recent championship level fighter AFAIK (Kovalev and Golovkin for example - prior to their most recent fights maxed out at around 2.5:1)

This is what anybody, from any race says to delusional Afrocentric people who make stupid claims with no scientific basis. There is an Egyptian dude on youtube with a channel name WeWuzKangz cause he's tired of black Americans who are descendants of West African slaves, claiming his country. KEmet is in africa...arabs invaded just like the ottomon empire, turks, Rome, etc. Kemet was NOT the only great empire in africa.....Mali, The Songhay, Congo, Kush, Punt, Ashanti, Mauritania, etc had great empires before invasions so i never understood why people clinge to Egypt....you wouldnt know this because you never studied african history pre-invasions all black americans are not JUST descendants of west africa bro...Many have eastern african, southern, central ancestry as well. Kemetic people, Egyptians they depicted themselves as dark skin africans to medium brown read a book...the ancient egyptians pre-arab invasions migrated from central africa where the Nile begins by the Congo....look it up the idea of race itself was created by europeans with no scientific authenticity to justify the bs they did to people across the planet...race does not exist bro...you're not very educated are you? if it makes you feel better to insult me, go right ahead....makes your insecurities more evident bwhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

Loma wins because of this: he can be great at defending, like the gay one, but he also throws punches, which the gay one doesn't. Wow, that was quite the unbiased post. After lomachencho is a little older and slows down a bit, we'll see how good he is. He got the potential to be great, but people like you will just make fans hate him.