Who are the top 10 heavyweights based on their talent rather than record?

this sounds like a pro vitali thread...its never about resume with that guy even though he lost his two biggest fights oh well

Wow ,how did i miss this gem ? Fits right in with the rest of the garbage you post on here . It certainly fits in with the mentally ill posts that weiland and mlac posted thats for sure ! :doh: Not only does it PROVE how stupid you are but it has no correlation to the thread which is listing the top HW's !:stupid: Everything I said is correct. You AJ fanboys just can’t handle the truth. Nothing I’ve said you can PROVE wrong. I think it’s absolutely pathetic that you’re searching for old posts of mine. You’re obsession with me is out of control😬😬 And let’s remember what you’ve said. That I PROVED WRONG: “Pro’s can’t compete in a the Olympic’s” 🚨WRONG🚨 Both N’Dam and Ruenroeng competed in 2016. “Joe Joyce was a novice when he fought Kuzmin” 🚨WRONG🚨 A novice is a boxer who has not competed in a senior open championship. Joe Joyce had already won one in the ABA’s, therefore was not a novice. “Klitchko” 🚨WRONG🚨 There’s an S in it retard. And you call me stupid😂😂 I could go on and on, yet you are incapable of PROVING me wrong on any occasion and that eats you up inside doesn’t it. Hold this L B*tch🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'd become a particular fan of Povetkin late in his career after the somewhat poor showing versus Hück which I really thought was a shameful performance, I'd been a big fan up to that point, then came the tear of wins after the Klitschko loss I felt he'd re dedictated himself and really the stand out heavyweight, in truth he really has the best résumé in active boxing right now but with failed doping tests it really calls every win into doubt. I'm not really for attacking him but his two failed doping tests it's very difficult to support him or root for him. He's really nothing more than a cheat at this stage. Anybody can have an off night where they perform below their best. Even the greats! That doesn't make such performances shameful, as long as they are rare occurrences. Thus, Povetkin's performance against Huck wasn't shameful. He was ill that night and it was a one off performance. "Class Tells Over Time" is a phrase that is very true. It is backed up by your very statement on Alexander Povetkin having the best current heavyweight resume and has really been the second best heavyweight of the last 5 or 6 years after Wladimir Klitschko. As for Povetkin being a 'cheat', that's only if you first believe that: 1) Meldonium enhances one's athletic abilities beyond what legal drugs already do. My response: There isn't even any sufficient scientific evidence that Meldonium enhances an athlete, any more than legal drugs do. In fact, one could argue that it was banned prematurely. Here is an article that you can read about the effects of Meldonium which states that it doesn't even help athletes in the first place: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/sports/tennis/effects-of-meldonium-on-athletes-are-hazy.html 2) Alexander Povetkin actually took Meldonium after it was banned. My response: There is no evidence but rather, just traces found in his body within the legal threshold which is expected since it takes time for it to leave the body. 3) The other top boxers, who aren't penalized for taking drugs are 100% clean. In this modern 21st century world, a 100% clean athlete is a myth. Such a thing doesn't exist. Especially when it's about the absolute best athletes from first and second world countries. This is an artificial world we're living in currently where consuming artificial chemicals is the norm. They are found in animal products and even fruits. The reason why athletes are as good as they are today where they are breaking previous records compared to athletes in the past is because of artificial / chemical enhancement of athletes. Regardless of media propaganda, one has to be totally naive and delusional if they think there exists 100% clean athletes at the absolute top level where athletes are breaking world records. Especially in the modern 21st century which is an artificial world that is bound to have athletes enhanced artificially. Expecting 100% clean athletes like how they existed during gladiatorial times or ancient Rome times isn't going to exist anymore. Those primitive eras are over. We are living in the most technologically advanced era of human civilization and one has to be totally delusional and retarded to think that technological enhancement of the human body isn't going to be prevalent today.

Perhaps, but there isn't any evidence that it has any more of an effect on stamina than some of the other legal drugs out there. The drug was legal for more than 3 decades and I've seen athletes who used Meldonium but still suffered from having inferior stamina compared to other athletes during those times. Meldonium was banned prematurely, without there even existing conclusive evidence as to how much it enhances an athlete, relative to other legal drugs / artificial chemicals. You can give the same Meldonium to other people and chances are, most won't be displaying anywhere near the power that Povetkin displays. It takes a lot more than just Meldonium if you think drugs are the only reason behind his abilities / power. I'd become a particular fan of Povetkin late in his career after the somewhat poor showing versus Hück which I really thought was a shameful performance, I'd been a big fan up to that point, then came the tear of wins after the Klitschko loss I felt he'd re dedictated himself and really the stand out heavyweight, in truth he really has the best résumé in active boxing right now but with failed doping tests it really calls every win into doubt. I'm not really for attacking him but his two failed doping tests it's very difficult to support him or root for him. He's really nothing more than a cheat at this stage.

But it has a huge effect on stamina right ? Perhaps, but there isn't any evidence that it has any more of an effect on stamina than some of the other legal drugs out there. The drug was legal for more than 3 decades and I've seen athletes who used Meldonium but still suffered from having inferior stamina compared to other athletes during those times. Meldonium was banned prematurely, without there even existing conclusive evidence as to how much it enhances an athlete, relative to other legal drugs / artificial chemicals. You can give the same Meldonium to other people and chances are, most won't be displaying anywhere near the power that Povetkin displays. It takes a lot more than just Meldonium if you think drugs are the only reason behind his abilities / power.

Make your mind up, did Duhaupas win or lose versus Helenius. Your post is confusing, I really shouldn’t get into tit for tat but I’m bored and it’s likely I won’t be getting head again for another four hours so what the hell here goes. Duhaupas fought Povetkin for a career high purse, days earlier Povetkin was tested positive for PED’s, the fight afterwards when testing was more stringent not turns out Povetkin’s power and stamina wasn’t as telling when he fought Rudenko. Like it or not the Duhaupas loss is tainted as Ortiz’s was against Kayode, you following here ? Duhaupas on merit is a top ten foghter imo, I care none of its widely accepted, their are ratings within TBRB I don’t agree with yet I give more consideration to their rankings than anyone else’s. See here’s the point, I’m not a sheep I don’t get an erection when I see AJ’s bicep unlike you and your girlfriend Jugs, it is what it is. You’re both a great to have around, I respect that the forum needs guys like you to generate traffic after all the site is about traffic: Once again uninformed, as though that is my fault... and very assuming. You don't have a clue as to what I think about Joshua. I know that because I have never stated how I feel about Joshua, yet you somehow "know" my opinion and I am a sheep because you can't be bothered to even know who the fighter you are critisizing fought. See your getting ugly now little boy, I was trying to be constructive. Your the idiot who came on with a false premise and that makes you a rebel know?:lol1: Regarding Duhaupas, I was trying to be kind and understanding, especially because I didn't know much of his background. See I don't call a fighter a 'bum" automatically, and while I never heard him mentioned in any top category, there was no reason for me not to defer to your knowledge about his skills. Look at the post again, I question your criteria (top ten, etc), not your loyalty to the fighter... But you mistake kindness for weakness little brother! Thats a bad mistake to make son, so grow up. And don't shoot the messenger. Whatever you think of Jug he has earned my respect as a poster because he knows what the f uck he is talking about, I also have some general ideas about whom he trained with...that holds water and has nothing to do with following a herd. You ever trained hard in a fighting club little boy? Then you probablt have no clue why some of us earn respect for that experience do you now? Its just amazing how free the words flow on the internet when there are no consequences to speak of.

Well 1. AJ 2. Povetkin 3. Pulev 4. Wilder 5. Parker 6. who cares?

Im not talking specifics but in general , only an idiot like you looks at rankings and assumes say Hammer must be a top 10 guy bc of rankings just like Duhaupas . lol Anyone that loses to an Erkin Teper and goes the distance with Derrick Rossey and last 2 fights were against UNKNOWNS in Duhaupas , is only a top 10 guy in your bizarro world . lol See you actually need to use your OWN logic to assess where one should be ranked and thats doom for you ,anyone reading these posts will see that its DOOM for you bc you have very little of it all around the board. :poke: The WBC has been the most realistic ones in top 5 ,ALL of the rankings are terrible no matter what one you use bc not one makes sense when considering the order . Only Stiverne had a contractual loop hole to get a top ranking there until he lost . I told you , you need brain power to stay on this thread ......thats why everyone AGREED with my list and you were UNABLE to do your own and your boy friend mlac took off bc he himself was battered on here but i guess you like it ?:loser: Yep , i will probably be editing this post too bc your that stupid that one cant help at times to add the dirt that is burying you on this forum ! :chairshot You humiliate yourself, I don’t need to humiliate you any more.

My boy Josh should be #1!!!

Just one correction. Povetkin practically had Rudenko out in the first round (Rudenko was given an illegitimate break by the referee by faking a non-existent illegal punch landing on the back of his head). Otherwise, Povetkin carried Rudenko for the rest of the rounds until the last round when he went for it. Meldonium does very little to increase punching power. There’s no evidence that it has any more effect than some of the legal drugs out there. But it has a huge effect on stamina right ?

Make your mind up, did Duhaupas win or lose versus Helenius. Your post is confusing, I really shouldn’t get into tit for tat but I’m bored and it’s likely I won’t be getting head again for another four hours so what the hell here goes. Duhaupas fought Povetkin for a career high purse, days earlier Povetkin was tested positive for PED’s, the fight afterwards when testing was more stringent not turns out Povetkin’s power and stamina wasn’t as telling when he fought Rudenko. Like it or not the Duhaupas loss is tainted as Ortiz’s was against Kayode, you following here ? Duhaupas on merit is a top ten foghter imo, I care none of its widely accepted, their are ratings within TBRB I don’t agree with yet I give more consideration to their rankings than anyone else’s. See here’s the point, I’m not a sheep I don’t get an erection when I see AJ’s bicep unlike you and your girlfriend Jugs, it is what it is. You’re both a great to have around, I respect that the forum needs guys like you to generate traffic after all the site is about traffic: Just one correction. Povetkin practically had Rudenko out in the first round (Rudenko was given an illegitimate break by the referee by faking a non-existent illegal punch landing on the back of his head). Otherwise, Povetkin carried Rudenko for the rest of the rounds until the last round when he went for it. Meldonium does very little to increase punching power. There's no evidence that it has any more effect than some of the legal drugs out there.

A walking talking contradiction. Lmao, I love this guy.

Duhaupas best attribute is taking punches he was losing before Helenius started taking deep breaths . Helenius is highly overated and had one of the biggest robbery wins ive ever seen against Chisora . The reason why he lasted 12 with Whyte bc he didnt engage like he usually does and being in Joshuas camp for 3 weeks probably didnt hurt . Duhaupas and Helenius arent close to top 10 material and neither is Christian HAMMER ? lol Only fools like Weiland believe such bc of off center RANKINGS yet IGNORE an actual realistic one where Whyte is ranked ONE by the WBC ? I'll remind you that poster thinks Parker is more DANGEROUS thsn Klitchko yet ridicules Parker as a bum ,serious drug use has to be in effect here no other explanation ? l:lol1: The WBC’s rankings are the most realistic ? Shall we dissect this or do you want to edit your posts like you’ve been doing a lot of lately, retraction is a beautiful thing unless of course you’ve already been multi quoted. Duhaupas is rated number seven you’re aware ?

Duhaupas has some skills. I don't know how you determine who is "top ten" as you put it. I hope you don't think watching one common opponent, one or two fights, is enough to make a blanket statement about the skill of a fighter... Also if you look at both guy's records it appears as though when Duhaupas stepped up in competition he could not win... Unless one thinks Charr is a top level fighter, I do not and even so... Duhaupas lost to Povatkin, Helenius and Wilder. Whyte beat Helenius, Chisora and Minto... Now not saying record is everything but the records show a trend where one guy stepped up and saw succesful, even against a common opponent. The Joshua fight was a good fight for Whyte. he hurt his shoulder but had some success against Joshua. He showed that he could be effective with his combos and that he had an excellent chin in that fight. But I would not say that the French heavyweight you mention is not skilled, he fought well, and even at 36 years of age, because of the division and the age heav yweights peak, he might have more success at the top level...Just has not happened yet. Make your mind up, did Duhaupas win or lose versus Helenius. Your post is confusing, I really shouldn’t get into tit for tat but I’m bored and it’s likely I won’t be getting head again for another four hours so what the hell here goes. Duhaupas fought Povetkin for a career high purse, days earlier Povetkin was tested positive for PED’s, the fight afterwards when testing was more stringent not turns out Povetkin’s power and stamina wasn’t as telling when he fought Rudenko. Like it or not the Duhaupas loss is tainted as Ortiz’s was against Kayode, you following here ? Duhaupas on merit is a top ten foghter imo, I care none of its widely accepted, their are ratings within TBRB I don’t agree with yet I give more consideration to their rankings than anyone else’s. See here’s the point, I’m not a sheep I don’t get an erection when I see AJ’s bicep unlike you and your girlfriend Jugs, it is what it is. You’re both a great to have around, I respect that the forum needs guys like you to generate traffic after all the site is about traffic:

Duhaupas best attribute is taking punches . Helenius is highly overated and had one of the biggest robbery wins ive ever seen against Chisora . The reason why he lasted 12 with Whyte bc he didnt engage like he usually does and being in Joshuas camp for 3 weeks probably didnt hurt . Duhaupas and Helenius arent close to top 10 material and neither is Christian HAMMER ? lol Only fools like Weiland believe such bc of off center RANKINGS yet IGNORE an actual realistic one where Whyte is ranked ONE by the WBC , i'll remind you that poster thinks Parker is more DANGEROUS thsn Klitchko yet ridicules Parker as a bum ,serious drug use has to be in effect here no other explanation ? l:lol1: Jugs I don't know Duhaupas...I was giving Scott the benefit of the doubt lol. Im more than happy to let you debate that one with him. Yes Helenius is overated...saw that fight with Chisora and indeed... Agreed on the top ten list. Serious drugs? PROBABLY!! :sad2: Drugs that cause one to avoid critical thinking and looking at material that my 12 year old could find on Youtube!! There is a tendency for people to overlook Whyte and some of it comes from Wilder's attitude towards that fight. He better not try to look past Whyte. Again. it would take the average IQ and curiosity to look and see how Whyte has performed in only losing to Joshua so far... Something to the effect of "gee what is Wilder talking about, lets see what this guy has done.

I saw his fight against Helenius, I also happened to see how Duhaupas faired against Helenius a good common opponent to gauge them against, not only the Helenius win but the Wilder loss he showed great combination work coming in behind the jab putting solid work together. Duhaupas is a top ten fighter, Whyte is not. Duhaupas has some skills. I don't know how you determine who is "top ten" as you put it. I hope you don't think watching one common opponent, one or two fights, is enough to make a blanket statement about the skill of a fighter... Also if you look at both guy's records it appears as though when Duhaupas stepped up in competition he could not win... Unless one thinks Charr is a top level fighter, I do not and even so... Duhaupas lost to Povatkin, Helenius and Wilder. Whyte beat Helenius, Chisora and Minto... Now not saying record is everything but the records show a trend where one guy stepped up and saw succesful, even against a common opponent. The Joshua fight was a good fight for Whyte. he hurt his shoulder but had some success against Joshua. He showed that he could be effective with his combos and that he had an excellent chin in that fight. But I would not say that the French heavyweight you mention is not skilled, he fought well, and even at 36 years of age, because of the division and the age heav yweights peak, he might have more success at the top level...Just has not happened yet.

Scott I have no problem doing research that might take some work to help a fellow member...but if you want to talk s hit about the man, the very least you can do is LOOK UP HIS RECORD! Then... watch a few of his fights, his fight with Joshua for example. I saw his fight against Helenius, I also happened to see how Duhaupas faired against Helenius a good common opponent to gauge them against, not only the Helenius win but the Wilder loss he showed great combination work coming in behind the jab putting solid work together. Duhaupas is a top ten fighter, Whyte is not.

When did AJ suddenly become a really SKILLED fighter������ He has poor footwork Zero head movement Average punch variation Leaky defence No real fluidity to his movement The list goes on and on... He makes up for this with his size, power, speed, explosiveness etc. But they are athletic/physical attributes NOT technical skills! You fanboys are pathetic...������ The most skilled HW is Ortiz by a mile, best footwork, punch variation, solid textbook defence etc. Povetkin is pretty skilled as well. This shows how poor the HW division is in terms of skill

Dude whyte is absolutely ****ing terribile. seriously he lost to a shot chisora and got a gift, his technique is HORRIBILE. his best win is a fat out of shape helenius on less than 2 weeks notice, and he still was close to getting knocked out in round 2 before helenius gassed out. He only lost to Joshua and looked good during that fight, he moves rather fluidly for a big man and has good combination punching ability, good whiskers, and a good tactical understanding of angles. A lot of these guys are developing, I believe Whyte was a kickboxer for some time and had to make adjustments. With respect to style being a determination for difficulty Whyte is evasive enough to cause problems for some of the other guys in the division. You have to look at skills and potential. Whyte also has had some issues come up. That is no excuse but it tells me that he could be coming into his best fights... Whyte has skills that are pretty obvious. I also would put him as a greater danger right now than Parker... Parker has some talents as well but really has to develop as a puncher... he does not have the mobility to fight like he did against Hughie. I have no problem if you disagree, but sometimes it seems like some guys don't look at the fighter in question, maybe you did.

It has everything to do bc you claimed its a lopsided fight ,you moron . On top of that you stated Whyte is garbage so you must think the same for Parker if we break down his career too ,right you dope ?:poke: Whyte hasnt even had a FULL training camp since the Joshua fight ....whats Parkers excuse for his below avg . performances ?:dance: I was commentating on Whyte and you immediately start blabbering on about a totally different fighter for no apparent reason. You are unable to have a boxing conversation without appearing to be a total lunatic :lol1: