It sure does seem that he became a more viable opponent overnight. There will be something to the first guy that beats him. They might be lining up for that now.
I'd disagree. Lemieux is flat footed and powerful but Golovkin had an easy time of him. Jacobs was circling and not laying on heavy shots, and could have easily been declared the victor. Murray nearly went the distance using movement.
Of course, we can only speculate but I don't believe it will be flat footed power that beats Golovkin, it will be movement.
I think that's right and those of us who thought Ward makes easy work of this, are seeing the vindication. I still think he kills Canelo. Just a bad style for Canelo.
Maidana was uniquely awkward and no one was going to replicate that. Floyd adapted to it and had little trouble with him after the first few rounds.
I'm not sure what your argument is, that vulnerabilities aren't played upon? This is boxing, it's all about looking for weaknesses.
My point is you can look vulnerable in one fight, then be good the following ones against even better opposition.
Styles makes fights.
Maybe GGG was "tailor made" for DJ, or maybe GGG is a B fighter, or an elite fighter showing his age.
We'll see the following fights (except if they wade again).
It sure does seem that he became a more viable opponent overnight. There will be something to the first guy that beats him. They might be lining up for that now.
yea those 3 belts hopefully go with the wbo by the end of the year
Possibly. The real issue for Golovkin is that the risk-reward ratio hasn't been appealing to opponents until quite recently. The risk looks a little lower after Jacobs purely because the aura of invincibility has been diminished.
Canelo is obviously a very different fighter to Jacobs but the point stands. Golovkin went from winning every fight easily to getting a contentious decision where there's an argument to be made that he lost. That has to lower the perceived risk on the part of potential opponents and their handlers.
GGG didnt look awesome against Jacobs, but what Jacobs offered cant be replicated by every dude.
He had reach, size, power, movement, switchhittting, counterpunching, no fear to get off first and to mixxed it up going for him.
Besides his movement, GGG was really bothered by Dannys power. Like Foreman always says: You dont follow a puncher around.
Without Jacobs power Golovkin would have probably walked right through him. I dont think either Canelo or Saunders can replicate this blueprint, but they each have their own strenghts.
It was Sanchez's terrible gameplan that kept GG from walking though him. He repeatedly instructed Golovkin to "not get crazy" and "wait for him to walk into it". Danny's body shots were bothering him but he really wasn't emphasizing power.
GG fans seem to be saying a guy MUST be superhuman to beat him. Yes, having a variety of strengths is important but when you eventually see him beat, it'll be footwork that steals the show.
If GGG was 25 and he had that issue with Danny then it would be water under the bridge but the fact that hes as a old as he is and Danny is the first guy he has faced that is of some sort of high end class and ability i say that when it comes down to athletics all of my favorite athletes i have seen them fall down.
Floyd after the Marquez fight was in the decline zone
Peyton declined after his final years in Indy
Timmy declined in 2007 but Pop kept him stable
KG declined after he hit Boston
Manny declined after the Margarito fight.
Kobe after he won the 5th
It hurts to see mt favorite guys start to hit that downward stride but i love them as saviors of the game and glaring examples of how to be great and stay great but again, as talented as GGG is he is too old and he has handlers who act as if he is still ready and prime when he is in fact falling down. He was hit with basic lateral movement. Danny isn't some super boxer but he was ready for the worst and he handled it well. I just think its a waste for someone as great as GGG to be hitting his stride at age 35, then this age is the graveyard phase of most, if not all athletes. Hopefully he ages well like Bernard and Floyd
Having certain vulnerabilities exposed rarely works out well in the long run. If it's an "off-night", I absolutely agree with you. But, I think we saw age and a long suspected weakness to lateral footwork. I don't think either will be to his advantage, even if BJS and Canelo are finally willing to fight him.
As far as just GETTING the fights though, you're correct. No way BJS was going to fight him otherwise. He even said he wanted 2 tune-ups before Golovkin.
GGG didnt look awesome against Jacobs, but what Jacobs offered cant be replicated by every dude.
He had reach, size, power, movement, switchhittting, counterpunching, no fear to get off first and to mixxed it up going for him.
Besides his movement, GGG was really bothered by Dannys power. Like Foreman always says: You dont follow a puncher around.
Without Jacobs power Golovkin would have probably walked right through him. I dont think either Canelo or Saunders can replicate this blueprint, but they each have their own strenghts.
Floyd had them exposed by Maidana, having a close fight in the first opus, them getting his teeth punched out wich also was quite unusual.
But at the end of the day he brought his A game vs Cotto and Manny.
Styles make fights.
Many thought he was quite done.
Maidana was uniquely awkward and no one was going to replicate that. Floyd adapted to it and had little trouble with him after the first few rounds.
I'm not sure what your argument is, that vulnerabilities aren't played upon? This is boxing, it's all about looking for weaknesses.
Agreed but the thing is this, Golovkin has holes in his game, but also did show nice qualities.
-I thought his defense was quite OK, I mean, he never was seriously hurt or damaged. And DJ are tremendous offense.
- I thought his offense was right too, he was cautious and a bit gun shy but he never took risk and jabbed Danny in route to a UD, it was smart.
I thought he clearly won that fight, close fight agreed.
He solved a hard problem in Jacobs.
Dudes on the forum comparing him to an old Wlad, well, DJ ain't no some Jennings dude.
Hard to beat a longer, heavier guy who can fire fast combos from both stances.
Depending how we rate Jacobs but the next guy fighting him will have serious issues too.
I'm not sure about Charlo beating Danny anymore.
And I'm really buying the Charlo's hype.
Daniel Jacobs was just as leery of Golovkin's offense as Golovkin was leery of Jacobs' offense, with the performance styles showing accordingly; once Jacobs got hit with a big shot, and realized that the world had been lying to him about the monstrous puncher that Golovkin was, he was able to comfortably move into his groove, fight where he needed to fight, but otherwise utilize his skills.
No different than what I think will happen in the Ward-Kovalev rematch, with the mystique gone, Jacobs gets into his rhythm far easier, getting to the openings to land heavy shots quicker.
Whomever the "next guy" is, things that folks have been talking about in the shadows have no been confirmed; the Jacobs fight, the Brook fight, the Monroe Jr fight, the Rosado fight, and the Ouma fight .
Max out on your own skills and abilities, but those 5 fights give you an extremely clear portrait of the type of fighter that Gennday Golovkin is, and the types of bad habits he's developed
I just think GGG's jab is better than Canelo's.
GGG will win the jab battle IMO, he's longer than Nelo and has more authority in his jab.
So he'll be able to keep the fight mid range.
According to BoxRec, Golovkin and Alvarez has the same reach, so I doubt the jab length difference are all that much; you add that Alvarez does an underrated job of changing his head slot and slipping jabs, Golovkin has a harder task than folks want to acknowledge (especially understanding that Alvarez has no qualms letting his hands go on the inside)
Billy Joe Saunders, even with seeing the glaring holes in Golovkin's game (doesn't really like to counter punch, offsetting movement seems to give him real issues, can seemingly be outboxed, still eats to many shots, etc), still isn't going to go to Kazakhstan (or anywhere else for that matter) for short money.
And Alvarez isn't going to overpay any further either
Agreed but the thing is this, Golovkin has holes in his game, but also did show nice qualities.
-I thought his defense was quite OK, I mean, he never was seriously hurt or damaged. And DJ are tremendous offense.
- I thought his offense was right too, he was cautious and a bit gun shy but he never took risk and jabbed Danny in route to a UD, it was smart.
I thought he clearly won that fight, close fight agreed.
He solved a hard problem in Jacobs.
Dudes on the forum comparing him to an old Wlad, well, DJ ain't no some Jennings dude.
Hard to beat a longer, heavier guy who can fire fast combos from both stances.
Depending how we rate Jacobs but the next guy fighting him will have serious issues too.
I'm not sure about Charlo beating Danny anymore.
And I'm really buying the Charlo's hype.
Having certain vulnerabilities exposed rarely works out well in the long run. If it's an "off-night", I absolutely agree with you. But, I think we saw age and a long suspected weakness to lateral footwork. I don't think either will be to his advantage, even if BJS and Canelo are finally willing to fight him.
As far as just GETTING the fights though, you're correct. No way BJS was going to fight him otherwise. He even said he wanted 2 tune-ups before Golovkin.
Floyd had them exposed by Maidana, having a close fight in the first opus, them getting his teeth punched out wich also was quite unusual.
But at the end of the day he brought his A game vs Cotto and Manny.
Styles make fights.
Many thought he was quite done.
Golovkin doesn't really like to counterpunch, has basically zero interest in fighting on the inside, and uses a heavy jab to try and keep the fight in that midrange.
Alvarez is a busy fighter and a nasty dude on the inside, has punches that flow beautifully in combination and on the counter, and Alvarez uses a heavy jab in his own right. You add that Golovkin doesn't like to move (which is the biggest hole in Canelo's game), and Golovkin has a new set of issue to try and figure out.
I just think GGG's jab is better than Canelo's.
GGG will win the jab battle IMO, he's longer than Nelo and has more authority in his jab.
So he'll be able to keep the fight mid range.
It'd be different but would likely play off of the same holes
I can't see Canelo fighting the same fight Jacobs fought.
Golovkin doesn't really like to counterpunch, has basically zero interest in fighting on the inside, and uses a heavy jab to try and keep the fight in that midrange.
Alvarez is a busy fighter and a nasty dude on the inside, has punches that flow beautifully in combination and on the counter, and Alvarez uses a heavy jab in his own right. You add that Golovkin doesn't like to move (which is the biggest hole in Canelo's game), and Golovkin has a new set of issue to try and figure out.
Having certain vulnerabilities exposed rarely works out well in the long run. If it's an "off-night", I absolutely agree with you. But, I think we saw age and a long suspected weakness to lateral footwork. I don't think either will be to his advantage, even if BJS and Canelo are finally willing to fight him.
As far as just GETTING the fights though, you're correct. No way BJS was going to fight him otherwise. He even said he wanted 2 tune-ups before Golovkin.
Billy Joe Saunders, even with seeing the glaring holes in Golovkin's game (doesn't really like to counter punch, offsetting movement seems to give him real issues, can seemingly be outboxed, still eats to many shots, etc), still isn't going to go to Kazakhstan (or anywhere else for that matter) for short money.
And Alvarez isn't going to overpay any further either
It sure does seem that he became a more viable opponent overnight. There will be something to the first guy that beats him. They might be lining up for that now.
Viabilty never had anything to do with it; K2 is finally paying up money, and Golovkin has shown himself to not actually be super-human in the way he's been hyped for basically the last 4 years.
Lara wanted to fight him, Andrade wanted to fight him, Ward wanted to fight him, Andre Dirrell wanted to fight him, etc.
The notion that Golovkin has still been this super-avoided guy is foolish.
Jacobs came close but GGG won and is still undefeated. I think he will stay undefeated for a couple more years. His sub par performance did do him good. The fight he wanted most of all was a fight with Saunders. Saunders was always shaking like a scared rabbit at the thought of fighting GGG. Now that Jacobs did so well Saunders has got his nerve back and wants to fight GGG. It looks like GGG will make good money fighting Saunders in his homeland on June 10th.