Corralles was a good fighter but tailor made he was slow as mollasses. What slick african american fighter did mayweather beat who was in his prime with a run like danny? A guy who was taller, bigger, just as fast, good amateur pedigree, and one punch knockout power.
yeah but stylewise corrales was frankenstien...no jab...just leads face first with everything...how many fighters has floyd picked apart like that since then...jacobs is a more complete boxer
guess you didnt watch the video of old frankenstein
he was far from that, was an A LEVEL elite fighter and beat top fighters
stop degrading proven fighters to pump up GGG's thin resume at the top :alcoholic
Title of the thread :
"Did mayweather ever face a guy in his prime like Jacobs?"
Was just pointing out you were making comments in a thread about a topic you admit you don't know much about.
Just trying to save knowledgeable posters their time as it is not worth debating anything with you.
Now go **** off.
Ok "red" :dead::rofl: Just want to thank you for being the arbitrator of who knows what here... Is that an official position? Hows that workin for you "red"? Let me guess you don't have the respect of your peers because... everyone is not knowledgable enough? :loser:?
Stay in your lane sonny... there are some posters here who have the juice to call another poster out on their knowledge...you ain't one of them.just a bit of unsolicited advice which you can take of leave...
yeah but stylewise corrales was frankenstien...no jab...just leads face first with everything...how many fighters has floyd picked apart like that since then...jacobs is a more complete boxer
floyd made him LOOK like frankenstein
has Jacobs outboxed anyone better than casamayor? you do realize he outboxed the boxer in fight 2 right?
yall need to quit with discrediting proven fighters to make GGG thin resume look better
what? you think we wouldnt notice
does this look like frankenstein?
corrales was a slight favorite and many ranked him higher than floyd p4p at the time, he was highly regarded and even then had done more than jacobs...he won real title. not a minor one like jacobs
yeah but stylewise corrales was frankenstien...no jab...just leads face first with everything...how many fighters has floyd picked apart like that since then...jacobs is a more complete boxer
You fail at logic but are exemplory at hyperbole. I was commenting specifically on Judah. Who are you? the one who decides what knowledge one has the privaleged position of having to make a comment?
Your an idiot and the comment was not even directed at you...BTW I am not a Mayweather hater. Get your facts straight idiot and in your case? it would be best to mind your business lol.
Title of the thread :
"Did mayweather ever face a guy in his prime like Jacobs?"
I don't know much about Jacobs
Was just pointing out you were making comments in a thread about a topic you admit you don't know much about.
Just trying to save knowledgeable posters their time as it is not worth debating anything with you.
Now go **** off.
Corralles was a good fighter but tailor made he was slow as mollasses. What slick african american fighter did mayweather beat who was in his prime with a run like danny? A guy who was taller, bigger, just as fast, good amateur pedigree, and one punch knockout power.
corrales was a slight favorite and many ranked him higher than floyd p4p at the time, he was highly regarded and even then had done more than jacobs...he won real title. not a minor one like jacobs
Corralles was a good fighter but tailor made he was slow as mollasses. What slick african american fighter did mayweather beat who was in his prime with a run like danny? A guy who was taller, bigger, just as fast, good amateur pedigree, and one punch knockout power.
corrales was one of the best at 130-135 in a deep era and was more proven than Jacobs...won more titles, beat more champions and came back to become a chapion at 130 after his hiatus and loss to floyd
that era at 130-135 was the deepest since the 80s and the only guy he couldnt beat was an atg TOP 30 ALL TIME in floyd....he beat Casamayor, freitas, Castillo, Robert Garcia, Manfredy, and simply was more dangerous at 130 than Jacobs is at 130
stop trying to pump up Jacobs to spruce up GGGs thin resume......:poke:
Just wanted to point out this poster is commenting in a thread he admits he knows nothing about.
Typical May-Hater using every opportunity to share the word of the haters gospel.
To sum it all up
Jacobs is in his prime because he was competitive vs ggg.
Judah was not in his prime because he less competitive vs Floyd.
Reasoning is because Judah was knocked out and loss prior to Floyd.
As if Jacobs was undefeated.
Smh.
What will the haters come up with next?
You fail at logic but are exemplory at hyperbole. I was commenting specifically on Judah. Who are you? the one who decides what knowledge one has the privaleged position of having to make a comment?
Your an idiot and the comment was not even directed at you...BTW I am not a Mayweather hater. Get your facts straight idiot and in your case? it would be best to mind your business lol.
Works for me... I don't know much about Jacobs because im not much of a triple G fan. Nothing personal about the guy but just don't see anything that inspires me.
Regarding zab...its a little more complicated...heres an analogy though: you know that girl you hooked up with, the one who had an azz to die for, and had so many curves she made Lombard street look straight? But what a pain in the azz she was! Thats the equivalent of Zab. Talented but so flawed. Even gave Floyd a few problems lol.
But the thing is, Zab could never get past that fight with Zoo. It broke him, he never really believed in himself and never fought at the same level. Some guys can be in their twilight and almost prime...Like Winky Wright, and Ward at his age. Other guys just have a short span. Thai fighters are over the hill at 25. By the time Zab fought Floyd the book was written and more people could preach from it than the Bible: Hang in there with the man for five rounds (sort of like Oscar lol) and then put it on cruise control because, as sure as 911 the Spaz will fall.
Lets put it this way: Would a prime Judah go life and death with Corey Spinks? Forget baldimore...
Just wanted to point out this poster is commenting in a thread he admits he knows nothing about.
Typical May-Hater using every opportunity to share the word of the haters gospel.
To sum it all up
Jacobs is in his prime because he was competitive vs ggg.
Judah was not in his prime because he less competitive vs Floyd.
Haters reasoning: Judah was knocked out and loss prior to Floyd.
As if Jacobs was undefeated.
Smh.
What will the haters come up with next?
If Judah wasnt prime nor was Jacobs
Works for me... I don't know much about Jacops because im not much of a triple G fan. Nothing personal about the guy but just don't see anything that inspires me.
Regarding zab...its a little more complicated...heres an analogy though: you know that girl you hooked up with, the one who had an azz to die for, and had so many curves she made Lombard street look straight? But what a pain in the azz she was! Thats the equivalent of Zab. Talented but so flawed. Even gave Floyd a few problems lol.
But the thing is, Zab could never get past that fight with Zoo. It broke him, he never really believed in himself and never fought at the same level. Some guys can be in their twilight and almost prime...Like Winky Wright, and Ward at his age. Other guys just have a short span. Thai fighters are over the hill at 25. By the time Zab fought Floyd the book was written and more people could preach from it than the Bible: Hang in there with the man for five rounds (sort of like Oscar lol) and then put it on cruise control because, as sure as 911 the Spaz will fall.
Lets put it this way: Would a prime Judah go life and death with Corey Spinks? Forget baldimore...
judah was never the same fighter after the Zoo fight where Jay nady counted him out. Sort of like Tyson Post and pre prison.
If Judah wasnt prime nor was Jacobs
Floyd may have fought a few fighters who were prime but whether they were any good is the question.
PAC,dlh, SSM, nelo weren't prime. PAC had won titles in 8 divisions by time he got PAC. That's a lot of wear and tear. Dlh, SSM AMD Margarito beat each other up and Floyd got the spoils.
Historically I'm not sure how good guys like baldomir, Judah, corrales, Castillo will be. Not too great I guess.
Judah gave the clear p4p#1 fighter /hof and atg in Floyd a hell of a fight..what are ya'll on about?
Hell of a fight for 2 rounds. LOL. And lol at being prime. He was prime pre kostya fight. Not after losing to baldomir.
I suggest you guys watch the ESNews interview with Alex Ariza, who was Corrales strength and conditioning coach. Corrales had the fever all week, couldn't make weight, so Ariza tried to "starve the fever" out of him. He called it a hail mary attempt and the worst mistake of his career, when he was inexperienced. He said Corrales was dead man walking. That win is always hyped by Floyd fans but it's the most worthless, overrated win of any boxing career ever. He was dead man walking before Floyd even put a glove on him.
As for Judah? "Four round fighter" as Angel Garcia said. Coming off a KO. Had Jacobs reach but not his size, power, or stamina. Or chin, actually, at least the chin Jacobs had with all that weight. Yes he had a nice uppercut but that was it power wise. He was faster than Jacobs but he was a welterweight so that's to be expected. That's really his only advantage over Jacobs. The Jacobs GGG fought is way better.
Ortiz is not in the same league as Jacobs are you kidding? Jacobs has been KO'd once 8 years ago the week his grandmother died by an elite fighter. Ortiz has been KO'd many times by fighters much less talented than Pirog. In any case even if Ortiz was that good, Floyd never fought him. I mean, they boxed for a couple rounds, then Floyd sucker punched the chinny quitter, and the chinny quitter quit. It wasn't a legitimate fight so we'll never know how it would have actually ended up legitimately.
Castillo? Well Castillo beat Floyd the first time in a much more decisive way than some claim Jacobs beat GGG, so that's #1, and #2, he had already been KO'd four times before fighting Floyd. And he didn't have the speed, reach, or one-punch power of Jacobs.
So hell no Floyd never fought anyone this good in their prime. Are you kidding me? Floyd ducked and cherry picked his whole career, then bragged about it, but some people still buy the fantasy. I mean just look at the best wins people bring up and they are all delusions. "Oh how amazing he was against Corrales. That was the young Floyd! The Pretty Boy Floyd! We all know Money May was a joke, but that guy, that was a real fighter! That guy really dominated! Just look at that Corrales fight!"
And as always with Floyd it turns out to be total bullsh1t. He just relies on people not having good enough memories, or having not even followed boxing back then. Just like people discrediting Jacobs as an opponent because he was KO'd once against an elite fighter, but then they bring up Floyd's wins over Castillo as some sort of accomplishment, even though Castillo had been KO'd four times and Floyd still lost to him the first time.
This is why boxing is a joke. GGG's resume is supposed to be a joke, and he was supposedly "exposed" against Jacobs, but Floyd Mayweather loses a fight to someone who has been KO'd four times already, and he's held as this pinnacle of greatness, the unsolvable puzzle who was never "exposed." In reality he has at least two performances where he performed worse, and against worse opposition, than GGG did against Jacobs, those performances being Castillo I and Maidana I. Sure Floyd did better the second time but those guys aren't half as talented as Jacobs, so it shouldn't have come to that in the first place.
Floyd's resumé is actually so bad, I challenge anyone to tell me who he beat in their prime, in their natural weight class, as good as David Lemieux, let alone Danny Jacobs. It's so funny to hear people criticize GGG's resumé when he now has the two best wins of either his or Floyd's entire career, in Lemieux and Jacobs. Obviously Floyd has bigger names like Canelo (drained at 152), Cotto (already beaten to a pulp by two separate guys, still gave Floyd a tough fight), Pacquiao (old and Floyd still barely stunk out a low activity decision), but those two wins by GGG when they happened, against opponents in their prime at their very best, are better than anything Floyd has ever done.
I mean, you can argue 37 year old Pacquiao would still beat a fighter like David Lemieux in the same weight class, but are you sure? It's been ages since Pacquiao took out a fast combination bomb thrower like that. He hasn't even fought anyone like that since Cotto lol. And as for Canelo, there are plenty of people who think Lemieux beats a fully hydrated Canelo at 160, so him against a drained Canelo that Floyd fought would not even be a contest. The only other guy is Cotto at 154 after Pacquiao and Margarito, but before Roach trained him, so basically the low point of his career. He might have beaten a Lemieux, or he might not have... would have been a hell of a fight if they were both the same size. But he definitely wouldn't have beaten Jacobs. We already saw him lose wide to a lesser version in Austin Trout who doesn't even have power like Jacobs.
So yeah it's a great question OP. But the answer is Floyd's entire resumé is smoke and mirrors, illusion, and GGG, just by virtue of being willing to fight the best, already has the best wins between the two, despite the fact GGG was ducked by the top names for most of his career, which is the exact opposite of Floyd's situation. Everyone wanted a fight with Floyd. He had what GGG could only dream of: choice of any top opponents he wanted. But he always chose the easiest one, at the right time. GGG isn't like that, so when the top opponents finally came calling, he was actually willing to fight them right away, at their best, unlike Floyd was ever willing to do. So once the opportunity finally came and GGG won, he already had the best win of either of their careers.
Because he was actually willing to fight in those circumstances. Floyd never, ever was. Smoke and mirrors baby. Smoke and mirrors.
:bottle:
of course of course to save face after the fight ariza went into full turd mode............come up with another trollup
:alcoholic
Castillo
Chico
Judah
Ortrees
All were prime imo
All had ko power and in Chico and Judah both had speed wait not sure abouthe Chico speed
Corrales was taller, bigger and KO power.
I suggest you guys watch the ESNews interview with Alex Ariza, who was Corrales strength and conditioning coach. Corrales had the fever all week, couldn't make weight, so Ariza tried to "starve the fever" out of him. He called it a hail mary attempt and the worst mistake of his career, when he was inexperienced. He said Corrales was dead man walking. That win is always hyped by Floyd fans but it's the most worthless, overrated win of any boxing career ever. He was dead man walking before Floyd even put a glove on him.
As for Judah? "Four round fighter" as Angel Garcia said. Coming off a KO. Had Jacobs reach but not his size, power, or stamina. Or chin, actually, at least the chin Jacobs had with all that weight. Yes he had a nice uppercut but that was it power wise. He was faster than Jacobs but he was a welterweight so that's to be expected. That's really his only advantage over Jacobs. The Jacobs GGG fought is way better.
Ortiz is not in the same league as Jacobs are you kidding? Jacobs has been KO'd once 8 years ago the week his grandmother died by an elite fighter. Ortiz has been KO'd many times by fighters much less talented than Pirog. In any case even if Ortiz was that good, Floyd never fought him. I mean, they boxed for a couple rounds, then Floyd sucker punched the chinny quitter, and the chinny quitter quit. It wasn't a legitimate fight so we'll never know how it would have actually ended up legitimately.
Castillo? Well Castillo beat Floyd the first time in a much more decisive way than some claim Jacobs beat GGG, so that's #1, and #2, he had already been KO'd four times before fighting Floyd. And he didn't have the speed, reach, or one-punch power of Jacobs.
So hell no Floyd never fought anyone this good in their prime. Are you kidding me? Floyd ducked and cherry picked his whole career, then bragged about it, but some people still buy the fantasy. I mean just look at the best wins people bring up and they are all delusions. "Oh how amazing he was against Corrales. That was the young Floyd! The Pretty Boy Floyd! We all know Money May was a joke, but that guy, that was a real fighter! That guy really dominated! Just look at that Corrales fight!"
And as always with Floyd it turns out to be total bullsh1t. He just relies on people not having good enough memories, or having not even followed boxing back then. Just like people discrediting Jacobs as an opponent because he was KO'd once against an elite fighter, but then they bring up Floyd's wins over Castillo as some sort of accomplishment, even though Castillo had been KO'd four times and Floyd still lost to him the first time.
This is why boxing is a joke. GGG's resume is supposed to be a joke, and he was supposedly "exposed" against Jacobs, but Floyd Mayweather loses a fight to someone who has been KO'd four times already, and he's held as this pinnacle of greatness, the unsolvable puzzle who was never "exposed." In reality he has at least two performances where he performed worse, and against worse opposition, than GGG did against Jacobs, those performances being Castillo I and Maidana I. Sure Floyd did better the second time but those guys aren't half as talented as Jacobs, so it shouldn't have come to that in the first place.
Floyd's resumé is actually so bad, I challenge anyone to tell me who he beat in their prime, in their natural weight class, as good as David Lemieux, let alone Danny Jacobs. It's so funny to hear people criticize GGG's resumé when he now has the two best wins of either his or Floyd's entire career, in Lemieux and Jacobs. Obviously Floyd has bigger names like Canelo (drained at 152), Cotto (already beaten to a pulp by two separate guys, still gave Floyd a tough fight), Pacquiao (old and Floyd still barely stunk out a low activity decision), but those two wins by GGG when they happened, against opponents in their prime at their very best, are better than anything Floyd has ever done.
I mean, you can argue 37 year old Pacquiao would still beat a fighter like David Lemieux in the same weight class, but are you sure? It's been ages since Pacquiao took out a fast combination bomb thrower like that. He hasn't even fought anyone like that since Cotto lol. And as for Canelo, there are plenty of people who think Lemieux beats a fully hydrated Canelo at 160, so him against a drained Canelo that Floyd fought would not even be a contest. The only other guy is Cotto at 154 after Pacquiao and Margarito, but before Roach trained him, so basically the low point of his career. He might have beaten a Lemieux, or he might not have... would have been a hell of a fight if they were both the same size. But he definitely wouldn't have beaten Jacobs. We already saw him lose wide to a lesser version in Austin Trout who doesn't even have power like Jacobs.
So yeah it's a great question OP. But the answer is Floyd's entire resumé is smoke and mirrors, illusion, and GGG, just by virtue of being willing to fight the best, already has the best wins between the two, despite the fact GGG was ducked by the top names for most of his career, which is the exact opposite of Floyd's situation. Everyone wanted a fight with Floyd. He had what GGG could only dream of: choice of any top opponents he wanted. But he always chose the easiest one, at the right time. GGG isn't like that, so when the top opponents finally came calling, he was actually willing to fight them right away, at their best, unlike Floyd was ever willing to do. So once the opportunity finally came and GGG won, he already had the best win of either of their careers.
Because he was actually willing to fight in those circumstances. Floyd never, ever was. Smoke and mirrors baby. Smoke and mirrors.
hell of a fight?! he lost 119-109 on one card.
cause Floyd adjusted, Judah was giving him hell early on..Floyd is just that good..no need to make these outrageous claims to make GGG opponents look better then they are..Jacobs was a good win lets just leave it at that...
he knocked out peter quillin in one and beat the latin snake twice....
and Peter Quillin beat whom? he was slammed for never fighting anyone worth a damn