Roman is STILL p4p no.1

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good post, cheers. If he isnt, who is IYP no.1? i think it's pretty up in the air at this point. lomachenko's the most able fighter in teh world right now IMO, but he doesn't quite have the resume yet to make him a must-pick. ward kovalev winner would be an easy answer, as those were the two best prime fighters to fight in a long time; but who won? and are they really better than lomachenko right now? if you held a gun to my head i'd say lomachenko and feel ok about it. well, minus the gun to my head.

while i thought that was one of the worst robberies i've seen in a minute, i don't think you have to have gonzalez at #` p4p because of the punishment he's been taking in victory lately. i know it's a small guy's division and the lack of power lends itself to two way action and an opponent being "in the fight" but it's my belief that gonzalez looked aged when he got his orbital broken, against cuadras, and again against this thai guy. he's a 29 year old little guy. if you look at the history of those tiny little divisions you'll find that the best fighters have peaked in their early and mid 20's, and are often all done in their 30's. the matchmaking, two way action, long fights with many rounds, and the nature of a small body peaking early in life all lend itself to a short career in the small weights. gonzalez is a sure fire hall of famer, with or without the L on his record from the robbery, or even from a legit loss. the guy has accomplished a ton and he's been in some real wars. he's without a doubt past his peak. i expect a rematch, in which he'll fight more cautiously and win, and then a rematch with cuadras in a main event on HBO for a good payday. then hopefully he retires. if you notice, cuadras looked off as well. those two fought a freakish war. if you land that kind of volume on an opponent in a higher weight class he goes down. the little guys just keep taking the beating. good post, cheers. If he isnt, who is IYP no.1?

This guy is crazy. Cuadras needs move up in weight, he has problems to make the 115 pounds, that's why the fight vs Carmona was in 116 pounds. But Gonzalez took his soul hahahaha, Cuadras was taking air like crazy in round 6. Bigger men? Cuadras was in 129 pounds and Gonzalez in 126 pounds. Facts. Stop crying you are crazy, Gonzalez bullied midgets in 105 and 108 pounds why don't cry about that? González real weight is 112-115 pounds, like chavez Jr he lost his weight advantage and this is his reality. I get it, you're mexican, cuadras is mexican, cuadras fought choclatito. awesome now run along and let the big boys talk boxing.

Let's be honest now, Cuadras looked like a shell of himself last weekend. Roman took his soul. I don't know how you can talk about dodging 'tough fights' when Roman has been in B2B FOTY slobberknockers with extremely tough, bigger men. . This guy is crazy. Cuadras needs move up in weight, he has problems to make the 115 pounds, that's why the fight vs Carmona was in 116 pounds. But Gonzalez took his soul hahahaha, Cuadras was taking air like crazy in round 6. Bigger men? Cuadras was in 129 pounds and Gonzalez in 126 pounds. Facts. Stop crying you are crazy, Gonzalez bullied midgets in 105 and 108 pounds why don't cry about that? González real weight is 112-115 pounds, like chavez Jr he lost his weight advantage and this is his reality.

This thread is the worst and most stupid of recent years. González was exposed so bad. Again, you asked for facts and I gave them. You on the other hand respond with opinions, for the most part. Regardless of how you saw the fight Roman has an official L on his record. So your whole "my opinion hold a more weight" is out the window because I stated a fact haha. Again, Roman was coming in at featherweight and close to super featherweight back at 112 and that's why he decided to move up. His body was having issues dropping down to Flyweight. This is all documented. So his height might be shorter than many of the current 115 pounders but that doesn't mean he isn't in his natural weightclass. This... Of fact, the Thai guy has the same height that Roman.

Provide facts why not. you can't nice try tho. WAR ROMAN :boxing: Román never was the #1, that was a trick to promoting him in U.S.A. -He never unified in 4 divisions. -He is not the more talented fighter. Not top-5. -Only fought with 3 good rivals in 50 fights, one drained, another that destroyed him(Cuadras) and another than dropped him and won the fight. -His real weight was 112 pounds, he bullied midgets in 105-108 pounds, actually he can't make the 112 pounds. -Dude has a very bad defense. Good fighter, never a great one. And nope, he is not in the top-25 of this generation

while i thought that was one of the worst robberies i've seen in a minute, i don't think you have to have gonzalez at #` p4p because of the punishment he's been taking in victory lately. i know it's a small guy's division and the lack of power lends itself to two way action and an opponent being "in the fight" but it's my belief that gonzalez looked aged when he got his orbital broken, against cuadras, and again against this thai guy. he's a 29 year old little guy. if you look at the history of those tiny little divisions you'll find that the best fighters have peaked in their early and mid 20's, and are often all done in their 30's. the matchmaking, two way action, long fights with many rounds, and the nature of a small body peaking early in life all lend itself to a short career in the small weights. gonzalez is a sure fire hall of famer, with or without the L on his record from the robbery, or even from a legit loss. the guy has accomplished a ton and he's been in some real wars. he's without a doubt past his peak. i expect a rematch, in which he'll fight more cautiously and win, and then a rematch with cuadras in a main event on HBO for a good payday. then hopefully he retires. if you notice, cuadras looked off as well. those two fought a freakish war. if you land that kind of volume on an opponent in a higher weight class he goes down. the little guys just keep taking the beating.

Andre Ward is the P4P king. Unless Floyd comes back.

You stray too much from the subject. You initially stated that i couldn't post facts and when I did you just went off the deep end :lol1: . Goodluck with passing off opinions as facts in the future, sadly your attempts are futile with me. Your essentially saying ' so what its officially an L, ner ner ner ner NER' :lol1:

Heres something to keep in mind next time you study film: despite the close range fighting and constant contact in range you hardly see his head getting snapped back or staggering back to create space for safety which means he trust in his skill set as oppose to other means such as clinching, footwork also hes barely touched the canvas despite the high volume of punches around these weight -- thats a testament of skill. His flash knockdown with vs. Rungvisais ( granted there was contact with his head) made me think for a minute and question his abilities at this stage -- I don't have a problem people not keeping him as #1. but even with what you might consider a L is not enough to remove off top five. As I recently posted, P4P Rankings are just OPINIONS their is no such think as an OFFICIAL P4P Rankings. So for those who still have Roman P4P #1 on their list that is totally fine. That is why I asked what does P4P Means for others because for ME PERSONALLY I tend to go by more of what B-Hop describes in that video. While others maybe P4P means different and that is fine!

IMO. yes ok P4P is about dominating your opposition etc. but hey ward got dropped and got a gift and he's widely touted as the new p4p king, so why shouldnt roman still be no.1? He has no business being in with these much bigger guy's at the tail end of his career, he's not in his prime, he's not in his weight class. I was a fan of the guy for the past couple of years, but i have to say saturday night i become a fanboy of the guy. Practically ANY other boxer would of given up after getting cut of that bad. The dude was literally looking towards the heavens each time he got of his stool, Roman has said he ' would die in the ring' and last weekend proved it. The heart he showed was awe inspiring, the way he came back and won that fight... If he was 3 weight classes bigger, people would be slurping on his dong, proclaiming him TBE. Roman Gonzalez the greatest little man ever and one of the best fighters of our generation. Because he lost to an 'unknown' dude and not another P4P fighter. Im not a Roman hater by any means but it is what it is.

Not really, it's not about having a 'narrative' its simply observing who is the best candidate. taking everything into consideration, i can't see anyone else who fits the bill? who exactly would you suggest? My work here is not done until i have convinced you bud :lol1: No P4P Ranking can't be wrong, again it is all opinions, if you have you have him #1 Fair enough! He is STILL one of the best fighters P4P in boxing I'm not arguing against that I just don't have him #1 anymore. I thought Roman was more well rounded BEFORE HBO now it seems like he is fighting more of a style that HBO Prefers which is very exciting no doubt but he is also taking a lot more punishment in fighting that way P4P the most entertaining fighter in boxing today that is for sure!

Some facts are more true than others :lol1: im sensing your avatar/nationality might be swaying your judgement there bud :dance: You stray too much from the subject. You initially stated that i couldn't post facts and when I did you just went off the deep end :lol1: . Goodluck with passing off opinions as facts in the future, sadly your attempts are futile with me.

At that time he was very much worthy of p4p as for inside fighting, Duran one of my favorites All time because of his inside fighting but inside fighting is no excuse to get blasted in the face and not move your head Based on his last 2 fights as well as his defeat Saturday I cannot consider him STILL #1 P4P that is MY OPINION! Heres something to keep in mind next time you study film: despite the close range fighting and constant contact in range you hardly see his head getting snapped back or staggering back to create space for safety which means he trust in his skill set as oppose to other means such as clinching, footwork also hes barely touched the canvas despite the high volume of punches around these weight -- thats a testament of skill. His flash knockdown with vs. Rungvisais ( granted there was contact with his head) made me think for a minute and question his abilities at this stage -- I don't have a problem people not keeping him as #1. but even with what you might consider a L is not enough to remove off top five.

Again, you asked for facts and I gave them. You on the other hand respond with opinions, for the most part. Regardless of how you saw the fight Roman has an official L on his record. So your whole "my opinion hold a more weight" is out the window because I stated a fact haha. Again, Roman was coming in at featherweight and close to super featherweight back at 112 and that's why he decided to move up. His body was having issues dropping down to Flyweight. This is all documented. So his height might be shorter than many of the current 115 pounders but that doesn't mean he isn't in his natural weightclass. Some facts are more true than others :lol1: im sensing your avatar/nationality might be swaying your judgement there bud :dance:

Roman is clearly small for 115. Is not his natural weight class. Just like Pac isn't a natural WW. But that doesn't mean he gets a pass for p4p. IMO, you take the fighter as they are fighting TODAY. Roman is choosing to fight at 115. And he is no longer OVERWHELMING and DOMINATING at 115, his chosen weight class. He is still an excellent boxer (altho he did take a lot of punches), but his power isn't the same (or else the Thai has a rock solid chin, which may be), and he gives up size. BUT, he still clearly beat Cuadras, an excellent Supafly, and Rungisvai, a very good Supafly (eff the judges, they got it wrong). I'll keep Chocolatito at #1 for now, as he just beat a very good 115 contender. But he's slipping. I don't see him at #1 for long. If Kova-Ward is a clear result, it will likely decide who is #1

Yeah OK but you're kinda trying to narrow down the Criteria for P4P so that it can fit your Narrative and make you look good in your argument. NOBODY is saying that Roman is not P4P at all, he just not #1 anymore. We can't just hold on to his PRIME and ignore what we're seeing now that is NOT how P4P Works. Based on his last 2 Fights has he Performed like the #1 P4P Fighter in all of boxing? ABSOLUTELY NOT! It is still some confusion as far as "What Is P4P" everybody have their own interpretation of that which is why it is no such thing as an official P4P Ranking! It is all just Opinions! If you consider Roman #1 on YOUR P4P Rankings then More Power To You! Not really, it's not about having a 'narrative' its simply observing who is the best candidate. taking everything into consideration, i can't see anyone else who fits the bill? who exactly would you suggest? My work here is not done until i have convinced you bud :lol1:

Is that really true? i remember listening to a boxing podcast last year or the year before dedicated to the P4P list and practically everyone was including Ward on it. Clearly that isnt for beating Paul smith, barrera and ...the other guy? i cant even remember his name. So he's solely on there for what he did 5 years prior... But yeah...Good post, i think the key point here is, the age, like i said before, 30 is around 40 for the little guys. When a dude is essentially inactive for several years, like Ward was, its hard to rate him. He achieved his high status based on what he did at 168. And there was no evidence that he had slipped from there -- but that was because he had no fights or was fighting showcases. So keeping Ward on the p4p during his "retirement" is a bit on faith, assuming he's still the boxer we saw in his prime.

It's a exaggeration bud, My point still remains, you can't deny that Caudras looked like a shell of himself....or are you? My opinion that Roman won the fight is an opinion that holds more weight than yours considering the clean effective punching and out-landing him considerably. or are you going to try and say the punchstats were exaggerated propaganda? :lol1: This is clearly not roman's division, that's a fact not BS my friend. Not just Weight but height, and especially bodyframe have to be taken into consideration. Again, you asked for facts and I gave them. You on the other hand respond with opinions, for the most part. Regardless of how you saw the fight Roman has an official L on his record. So your whole "my opinion hold a more weight" is out the window because I stated a fact haha. Again, Roman was coming in at featherweight and close to super featherweight back at 112 and that's why he decided to move up. His body was having issues dropping down to Flyweight. This is all documented. So his height might be shorter than many of the current 115 pounders but that doesn't mean he isn't in his natural weightclass.