The Controversy is Gonzalez not Jacobs

I feel the same way. Jacobs did well but Golovkin won more rounds. But I feel bad for Chocolatito. He was robbed and he got the sh*t beat out of him. Those two things usually don't go together but in this case they do./QUOTE] lol thats true

I mean I hate when it comes to that -- but what else but corruption or incompetence can be the reason? lastly I think the fact that he was the consensus P4P should of afforded him fair supervision under their own rules considering Carlos Cuadras got the red-carpet treatment. Sadly this will keep the man for now earning the purses hes worked so hard to achieve without ever taking a break in the sport...those purses at these weights may not go far throughout retirement. tbh RG has earned some big money, half a mill to fight a guy whos last 2 opponents were debutants is really good Convert that to whatever the Nicaraguan equivalent is and thats a very good payday. An in terms of supervision, every ifght should be judged fairly, p4p or not. It' ridiculous that we are seeing these things all the time nowadays, in particula in the US.

I feel the same way. Jacobs did well but Golovkin won more rounds. But I feel bad for Chocolatito. He was robbed and he got the sh*t beat out of him. Those two things usually don't go together but in this case they do.

... At the beginning of the 12th, I posted (on a thread here) that the Thai may get a 114-112 decision on the scorecards...

Ok and yeah, there should have been a point taken away from him instantly according to the WBCs own rules. It didn't and there is definitely something wrong with that. Then again, RG isnt Mexican so... I mean I hate when it comes to that -- but what else but corruption or incompetence can be the reason? lastly I think the fact that he was the consensus P4P should of afforded him fair supervision under their own rules considering Carlos Cuadras got the red-carpet treatment. Sadly this will keep the man for now earning the purses hes worked so hard to achieve without ever taking a break in the sport...those purses at these weights may not go far throughout retirement.

All I know is that how do you lose a fight when you out punch, out land, out percentage another fighter? Roman outside of a few times in the fight controlled the fight. And for proof: http://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/gonzalez-rungvisai-compubox.jpg But maybe I don't know **** about boxing? :thinking: In all honesty, we dont even need the punch stats to see that Gonzalez won. The Thai kept walking in, bareky throwing punches and then he would lunge with his head and grab onto either side of RG and then repeat the pattern. If you arent throwing punches, how do you win rounds? lol

My issue is : According to the WBC Rungivsai should of got a point deducted right AFTER the accidental head clash BUT as we all know it went un-reinforced below I submit proof. Note its in Spanish and Suliman sounds very shady and even addresses it before the reporter even questions him about it ; but what even more suspicions is that he puts blame on as he puts it 'THEY' however 'THEY' according to the WBC manual is their very own supervisor! @ 8.12 Rules for a championship fight below: http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/RULES_FOR_CHAMPIONSHIP_FIGHTS_-_SYNTHESIZED_09.pdf I conclude Carlos Cuadras and the same Rungvisai had this rule applied when he fought him -- there was a clash of heads and before the opening bell in the following round they took a point to even the playing field but in the case of Roman Gonzalez no such rule was enforced. Ok and yeah, there should have been a point taken away from him instantly according to the WBCs own rules. It didn't and there is definitely something wrong with that. Then again, RG isnt Mexican so...

All I know is that how do you lose a fight when you out punch, out land, out percentage another fighter? Roman outside of a few times in the fight controlled the fight. And for proof: http://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/gonzalez-rungvisai-compubox.jpg But maybe I don't know **** about boxing? :thinking:

yeah agreed. In all honesty, take away the blood and the fight wasnt all that close. 8-4 What are you asking? Because the Thai guy was docked a point yet he continued using elbows and head butts which imo should have docked him another point. My issue is : According to the WBC Rungivsai should of got a point deducted right AFTER the accidental head clash BUT as we all know it went un-reinforced below I submit proof. Note its in Spanish and Suliman sounds very shady and even addresses it before the reporter even questions him about it ; but what even more suspicions is that he puts blame on as he puts it 'THEY' however 'THEY' according to the WBC manual is their very own supervisor! @ 8.12 Rules for a championship fight below: http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/RULES_FOR_CHAMPIONSHIP_FIGHTS_-_SYNTHESIZED_09.pdf I conclude Carlos Cuadras and the same Rungvisai had this rule applied when he fought him -- there was a clash of heads and before the opening bell in the following round they took a point to even the playing field but in the case of Roman Gonzalez no such rule was enforced.

He may have been stronger, but he didn't land no where close the hurtful punches Gonzalez landed. After the knock down Gonzalez went into beast mode and battered him and was literally punching non-stop while Thai guy wavered and was wore down as the rounds went by, actually running in the final round and docked a point....it's a travesty. There can be no argument about this fight, Gonzalez was robbed. The judges let the blood influence them. Pathetic. yeah agreed. In all honesty, take away the blood and the fight wasnt all that close. 8-4 Accidental Injuries from Head Butts, Elbows, or other Accidental or Illegal Actions (injury). The following description applies to injuries from not only head butts and elbows, but from any other accidental or illegal action as well. a) Unintentional/accidental injury. When a boxer suffers a cut, abrasion, or excessive swelling due to an unintentional/accidental head butt, elbow, etc. If the bout continues: • A point will be deducted from the uninjured boxer. This point deduction will compensate the advantages acquired by the uninjured boxer. Note: I don't believe in such a rule being applied but I point this out on general principle of fairness to all fighters equally ; I know Cuadras benefited from this rule by the WBC vs. Rungvisai in having a point deducted after he suffered a cut due to a headbutt, if they went by these rules according to the WBC there was a failure on the part of the ref or WBC supervisor. Can someone with more knowledge on this issue speak up? Thought I post this here given the subject. What are you asking? Because the Thai guy was docked a point yet he continued using elbows and head butts which imo should have docked him another point.

Did the WBC or Commision enforce this rule? Accidental Injuries from Head Butts, Elbows, or other Accidental or Illegal Actions (injury). The following description applies to injuries from not only head butts and elbows, but from any other accidental or illegal action as well. a) Unintentional/accidental injury. When a boxer suffers a cut, abrasion, or excessive swelling due to an unintentional/accidental head butt, elbow, etc. If the bout continues: • A point will be deducted from the uninjured boxer. This point deduction will compensate the advantages acquired by the uninjured boxer. Note: I don't believe in such a rule being applied but I point this out on general principle of fairness to all fighters equally ; I know Cuadras benefited from this rule by the WBC vs. Rungvisai in having a point deducted after he suffered a cut due to a headbutt, if they went by these rules according to the WBC there was a failure on the part of the ref or WBC supervisor. Can someone with more knowledge on this issue speak up? Thought I post this here given the subject.

I think another point should have been taken away from the headbutts. It was excesisve and beyond accidental. And yeah, Gonzalez was clearly the superior fighter in there, whereas the other other was a physical trheat, strong enough to push RG back and grab him and out muscle him but pushing, headbutts and hugs dont win fights. Punches do. RG threw more and landed more. He may have been stronger, but he didn't land no where close the hurtful punches Gonzalez landed. After the knock down Gonzalez went into beast mode and battered him and was literally punching non-stop while Thai guy wavered and was wore down as the rounds went by, actually running in the final round and docked a point....it's a travesty. There can be no argument about this fight, Gonzalez was robbed. The judges let the blood influence them. Pathetic.

Gonzalez lost clearly and was knocked down, no controversy there, in fact the controversy was over his fights with cuadras and estrada where he lost thoseYou clearly didn't watch the Cuadras fight. Cuadras lost 8 round to 4. He was out boxed and only came on in spurts. Choclatito is just giving up too much natural size to bigger guys. He looks like a fat club fighter at about 122 pounds after hydration. He needs to go back down to flyweight. The Thai opponent looked like his older brother who gave a competitive fight because of his superior strength, not skill.

I wasnt defending him, I was just pointing out that you made it sound like it was alot more than just that instance you pointed out with your gif when if I recall correctly that was the only time I seen him run. Below is a excerpt from one of my post in the RBR thread last night when I said he was just happy he didnt get knocked out (talking about rungvasil). Understood my bad. http://i.imgur.com/GrbOgcZ.gif Here is another gif from the fifth, I cant find Rungvisai following up his attack with combo and defense ; yeah he land some nice shot in this round but even the volume came from RG -- look at the movement,defense this is quality boxing.

dont get mad bro you made it sound like Runagavasil ran all night lol that gif is literally the only time I can recall him run lol thats why i said post the rest. If you cant then well I guess we know what that means right????????????????????? I'm at the fifth round I watched the first through four in slowmotion yesterday and posted some gifs : you know the film study is the easy part but making quality gifs is another matter : but If I exaggerated I stand corrected but I'm going by what I seen with my friends and my opinion is changing as I study the whole fight. I'm not petty over things like this if I made a bad call I admitted you on the other hand did not reply to my question : why do you support 'warriors' and disparage actions like 'running' but when its Gonzalez its a different standard? even if it was once its not ok to turn your back and run also the constant headbutts and this guy even punched RG in the thigh and butt! lastly consider how this is reoccurring in his fights remember how Cuadras has badly cut and that also had great affect on his performance. I will keep searching and post if I find more.

The thai won clearly 114-112

I watched the fights earlier, without having known teh results before hand and I thought the controversy would be the undercard bout not the main event. GGG won that clearly but RG was absolutely robbed. ? I stopped reading this , you dont know **** about boxing

Gonzalez was done dirty..

all that shows is choclitito had a good 12th, please post all the other gifs of Rungvisiai running, ill wait. I'm surprised to read that from you given the type of fighter you typically root for but I guess its ok in this instance right? I wonder why ; as far as other examples I posted a gif I think it the second or third Rungvisai turned his back and did the same not as dramatic but he needed to get away for sure check my post history if you like...If I find more I may post but I'm trying to watch the GGG fight too -- I havent posted nothing on it and this takes some time.

I'll rewatch the fights eventually. I'll admit I'm a little more biased towards Gonzalez than either GGG or Jacobs, but hey, it's a boxing forum. It wouldn't be fun of we all agreed all the time. We can't agree all the time but we are all, supposedly, bxoing fans and putting national, racial and personal biases to one side, there waso nly one clear winner in the fight and it wasnt the guy with all the head butts.