Is Chocolatito still in your top 10 pfp after this loss?

This is early in Cheato's career. You know what I see? I see a flat-footed, come forward striker with a solid chin. That's fine. I see no pivoting. I see no fast combos. I see no "Manny-esque" boxing destruction. I see a guy who wears down Martinez over time, which is fine, but again, I challenge you to produce ONE fight where Margacheato is pivoting and throwing blazing combos. That's not his style, dude. http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3897765 Try again. And before you say "but Cheato didn't know", that's no excuse. He runs the camp. He's in charge. He's responsible. Besides, he had to have felt something off about his hands. Cheato is a bum without his loaded wraps.

Yes, but near the bottom of the top 10.

He was naturally the smaller guy. I hope he moves back to flyweight Please don't use weight as an excuse for this loss, it's pathetic lol. Roman gave a great account for himself considering the circumstances (having to weather the storm early) and simply came up short, he just ran into a man who was tougher than him and would not be denied that night, simple as that. It happens in boxing, it's why we love the sport, nights like last night.

Not new at all. I challenge you to call out one significant title fight where Cheato was pivoting and comboing like Rungvisai or Manny. Cheato was known for, and will be remembered for, three things: Illegal hand wraps A solid chin "**** Cotto" - Only to go on and get schooled Nice revisionist history bro. Find me one fight he wasn't throwing in high volume and overwhelming his opponent who wasn't named Mosley or Pacquiao. Margarito will be remembered for three things: Being a monster in the ww division when it was hotter than it had been in years, and was on the cusp of a mega fight with Floyd that at that time, was seen as very even. Having an unbelievable engine and a granite chin, and having no sympathy for his opponents. cheating accusations. No proof was ever brought to the table.

I thought he won the fight (by a decent margin) however I never thought he was #1 P4P. Definitely still top 10 though

You keep repeating yourself in different thread how about you decide where you want to have this discussion and try not repeating yourself -- if you said what you had to say thats ok, I said my piece and can demonstrate with evidence why I believe Gonzalez won. you are biased as hell, man, seriously, you are sick of fanatism for Gonzalez

I don't believe Roman lost that fight. 7-5 Gonzalez. You can argue Rung Visai won 7-5 but wasn't decisive enough to knock RG out of the top 10.

It isn't simply about who outlands who - the damage the shots produce matter - not every punch is equal. Ring generalship also matters. Roman was outlanding him in spurts throughout the fight but he took more than he received damage wise. He was naturally the smaller guy. I hope he moves back to flyweight

Roman was awkwardly thrust like 4-5 spots up the p4p ranks when Flody retired, to prevent 6'6" 240 lb Wladimir Klitschko (at the time #2 behind Floyd) from becoming p4p king, which would have made the p4p list pointless. People seem to forget this. He didn't really climb there or pry it away from anyone. He was inserted. conclusion: p4p lists are dumb. People seem to forget there was a while where it was Floyd #1, WK #2, Pac #3, RG #4 on The Ring's list. Pac lost to Floyd, WK looked dreadful against Jennings (and would go on to lose against Fury), Floyd retired and RG assumed the #1 spot. He wasn't "thrust" up multiple positions, the aging men listed above him fell from grace. Not to say that I would have had him at #1, but it's not as though there was a clear #1 anyhow. I'd keep him in the top 10. How did a midget become P4P #1 in the first place? ****ing HBO. Good, good fighter, but just no. Should have been on the lower end of P4P even before this loss. There is no height requirement for P4P lists.

Yes,,, still top 10 Takes a slide from top 5 but I thought he should have gotten the decision last night, so I'm not going to penalize him too much. Last night only reinforced and proved my thoughts on Roman not being #1 p4p, I always thought that was a foolish ranking. Roman reminds me of guys like Tito, Oscar and Shane from 20 years ago, great offensive fighter but has holes in defense and ring generalship

NO he is OUT! He lost also his Defense is BRUTAL! I don't know WTF the criteria is for P4P anymore seem like people make it as they go but Skills is suppose to be one of those Criteria and that guy Defense is too BAD to be P4P! P4P the most entertaining fighter to watch I will give him that All Day! But P4P SKILLS Absolutely NOT!

How did a midget become P4P #1 in the first place? ****ing HBO. Good, good fighter, but just no. Should have been on the lower end of P4P even before this loss.

Cheato has never thrown punches at that rate. What I saw was a slower version of Manny Pacquiao in there. How new are you to boxing bro? Margarito absolutely threw at that rate, in fact higher, it's what he was known for - conditioning, granite chin, and volume punching round after round.

he was robbed in this fight. He outlanded the Thai boxer. And he won in a very close fight. It isn't simply about who outlands who - the damage the shots produce matter - not every punch is equal. Ring generalship also matters. Roman was outlanding him in spurts throughout the fight but he took more than he received damage wise.

Yes because he seeks out the best in his respective division unlike other overrated fighters who remain undefeated by fighting washed up fighters and no-hopers.

Now this fight was clearly a robbery. In my opinion, Chocolatito definitely won that.

I had Chocolatito winning as well, 114-113, same score as the GGG fight to be fair Turbo Killer is a ****ing brilliant song!!!

He wasn't my #1. But he was on my list and still is.

Absolutely, it would be crazy to drop him from the top 10 after a close loss against a quality opponent who's naturally a lot bigger. Boxing fans are so reactionary it's crazy, it's incredible how much a loss can damage your reputation. Chocolatito is still a better P4P Srisaket, his skill just wasn't enough to overcome Srisaket's size. Not taking anything away from Srisaket of course, he deserves big props. I don't think Rungvisai was much bigger than Gonzalez. Gonzalez just got too accustomed to facing smaller men. He weighs about 125 lbs in the ring

:rofl:................ I thought this was a boxing forum, studying film should not be uncommon but then again this is NSB where most of you form an opinion based off choppy pixelated streams.