This why no superstar have been made next to pac and floyd

Nope, it's brainwashed fans. We don't need star fighters taking cherrypicks to ppv. The entire Floyd/Pacman/Canelo fanbases seem to think that we do. It's the very thing that's been killing boxing and fanboys couldn't see it and loved it, like idiots. Literally no one here has said they want cherry picks. Where did you get that from?

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Nope, it's brainwashed fans. We don't need star fighters taking cherrypicks to ppv. The entire Floyd/Pacman/Canelo fanbases seem to think that we do. It's the very thing that's been killing boxing and fanboys couldn't see it and loved it, like idiots.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. remained a mega star due to in ring performances. 49-0 Did he remain a star due to tip tapping his way to decisions? I don't know. What I know is that for years he was built as HBO and ARum as an attraction and all their investment came to nothing until DLH came knocking and Mayweather started his "outrageous" antics. He also very cleverly dippedi nto the hip hop market and had associations with 50 cent among others, which obviously drew a huge fan following from the same African Americans who had ignored him for a decade. Mayweather is the perfect and only example of a marketing creation within sports and too many American fighters have tried to go that route. It has not worked for any of them. All other stars are built through thrilling fights.

I don't think it's necessarily if they demolish their opponents, it's whats on display as well, Pacquiao was unique in his approach, unique angles, he was the epitome of unorthodox and Mayweather was extremely well rounded, that's eye catching stuff.

I agree with the Pac comparison. He made a name for himself by knocking out legends or dominating them in brutal fashion. Saditic almost. WIth Mayweather, it was due to the persona he created, in particular with relation to the DLH fight that shot him off into being a genuine star. Also, the association with Pac for half a decade helped...them both. Mayweather certainly didn't become a star due to in ring performances. Floyd Mayweather Jr. remained a mega star due to in ring performances. 49-0

I agree with the Pac comparison. He made a name for himself by knocking out legends or dominating them in brutal fashion. Saditic almost. WIth Mayweather, it was due to the persona he created, in particular with relation to the DLH fight that shot him off into being a genuine star. Also, the association with Pac for half a decade helped...them both. Mayweather certainly didn't become a star due to in ring performances. Everyone will agree that floyd mayweather jr. become a super star outside the ring.

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting. Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds. Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't. When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~ True.........

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting. Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds. Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't. When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~ Thank you guys for your opinions. This is exactly what I'm also trying to say, the fight and the fighters had all the ingredients for a star to emerge, and it wasn't seized. I'm not being a hater here, I'm all for the good of these guys and for the good of boxing. I'm just saying they're not even helping themselves to get to where Floyd/Pac was and seemed to forget or not know the dynamics of prizefighting. They don't do that extra push, they don't take that X factor even when it was reachable. A few bashed pac in the comments, but when the guy was at their age, he gave it his all every time he fights. Until of course, recent years that its no longer enough. They hate on floyd, but floyd worked hard in boxing as he does outside of it. He knows how to promote himself given his unattractive style to casual fans. Hype and substance rarely go hand in hand, but he can actually school you, and has the stats to back it up. No young stars have put themselves in a position that pac and floyd once put themselves before dlh. Regardless if the torched get passed or not, it's the social media era, my neighbor can even make a funny video, and the next minute, it can have a million views in youtube. If you can really produce, and deliver. The casual fans will just come running. I can only imagine how much PPV buys the previous generations would have had had they fought today.

Fighting old stars is one way and perhaps the easiest way to stardom but it is not the only way. In a big spot if a guy really delivers that can create something new and exciting. Last night was a pretty big spot and while Thurman certainly won and that by itself will continue to build his name don't get it twisted but he could have went for more taking a little bit more risk and really closed the show fairly strong instead of just moving away the last few rounds. Garcia is what he is but he was pretty content to lose that fight and could never really find the spot to throw his big left hook up stairs and only a few to the body. he needed to sell out to really change that fight and didn't. When you have guys that are pretty content you don't get great results. Greatness comes from not being content with good enough~

fraud jr is not a superstar inside the ring. he's the most boring fighter of all time. he became known not because of his killer instinct inside the ring but used his hood rat demeanor to sell tickets. the fact is 99.8% of fans who bought tickets and ppv are there not to watch an exciting fights but to see him lose. :grumble: someone is butt hurt

SMH. This isn't the problem with boxing, this is the problem with boxing fans. Last night wasn't a breakthrough fight, it should be -- and we can only hope -- a part of a series of fights that leads to a clear welterweight champion. And from that, it's likely a star will emerge. We need to stop getting caught up with that "can this fight save boxing" mindset. Boxing is in a rebuild stage. And the best way to build it up is to continually make good fights. Last night, we took a huge step in the right direction. No, the action wasn't scintillating but two of our premier fighters took center stage on free TV. Not to mention Erickson Lubin probably making a few new fans. Imagine if Spence beats Brook...and he fights Thurman next on NBC? Sick, right? Don't get caught up in the moment or you'll miss what's ahead. Exactly. While Floyd and Pacman put on a slew of bullcrap ppv's, you had 2 undefeated, prime welterweight champions give casual and hardcore boxing fans a free fight and stupid folk want to complain about some $#it.

Because every breakthrough fight that gets made they just fail to step it up! When the whole world is watching the better guy would rather play it safe than grab greatness! Thurman won, but could he have done better? Esp in the championship rounds? Yes! Compare how pacquiao demolish barrera, or floyd to corrales to this sorry ass fights when they had their golden opportunities. Canelo-cotto, the supposed younger hungrier bigger guy decided to box the old one instead of making a statement. Rigo-donaire, lara-Canelo. If you dont know what im talking about then you dont know prizefighting. Why not fight as hard as you could. Hook all the casuals. Live up to the hype. Earn all that money. Earn that driver seat. I know all the great ones first did. Backpedalling in the championship rounds to the smaller guy whom you claimed you're going to hurt is just off. i used to be here regularly, and now seeing these young guns making demands and diva moves before doing impressive stuffs first and earning their spots is plain bs. Its the social media era, and promotion is way easier than ever. But none of these guys can make 1m ppv buys which 1990 fighters can even do. I'll be hated for this, and congrats for making this fight happen, but just a thought. Red K for being an absolute idiot and flooding NSB with trash. Pacquiao fights all his fights the same way and using him as an example for "stepping up" is retarded. Mayweather's "breaththrough" fight was against DLH and it was far from a "step up" type of performance in the way you think Thurmans' should have been, Floyd did what he had to do to win, period, same as Thurman. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2611543&d=1280229597

Garcia and Thurman were both 'champions' because they beat that welterweight legend, Robert Guerrero. That says a lot about what's wrong with the sport right there. Robert Guerrero Lmao. You sir are awesome :You_Rock_

No The reason there is no manny or floyd type superstar is because it takes years and years to get to that level of stardom... Manny and floyd both were world champs for nearly a decade before they got out of the shadows of oscar, shane, tito, morales, etc Ward has the potential because he is undefeated, been around along time... He just needs those big marquee fights The real problem is that nobody got the "rub" from former stars.. chavez passed torch to oscar who passed it to floyd and manny.. holmes and spinks passed it to tyson, who passed it to holfield and lennox, and lennox kinda passed it to vital This goes back decades.. Marciano becoming a much bigger name after pounding old joe louis these new guys like loma, thurman, danny, ggg, crawford have no one to give them the 'rub' The biggest current superstar is canelo and he got the rub off the mayweather fight

Guys just build their careers too slow...They fight twice a year like they are already superstars.. It's the business model we're stuck with right now. There are a small number of opportunities to make money, namely the HBO/Showtime slots. Those slots are limited and have to be rationed out to a large number of fighters who are chasing them. Once guys get those slots, they are happy to take 'the right fight' every 8-9 months, rather than take smaller money to fight more frequently and risk losing. The worst thing about it for the fans is that many of those fights aren't even significant. If you see a guy in one meaningful fight a year then that's about all you can expect. It would be nice to think that it will change. The match-ups this year have been positive. A noticeable shift from 2014-16. If the Thurman can face the winner of Brook-Spence quickly then at least the welterweight division will finally be cutting to the point. Rather than drifting along with this bubble of enthusiasm about a 'talent packed division' filled with guys who won't take risks.

Garcia and Thurman were both 'champions' because they beat that welterweight legend, Robert Guerrero. That says a lot about what's wrong with the sport right there. Yeah, in another era last night's fight would've been for the NABF Too many participation prizes in boxing these days, they have saturated the market

Guys just build their careers too slow...They fight twice a year like they are already superstars..

Garcia and Thurman were both 'champions' because they beat that welterweight legend, Robert Guerrero. That says a lot about what's wrong with the sport right there. lol well the guy was a great threat to Mayweather once Anyway, joking aside, you're right, that's the problem. Ali was only a 20 fight novice when he fought Liston for the first world title and yet in those 20 ifghts, he had been KD, traveled to another country, fought a faded legend and genuine punchers. I remember an interview from Dundee one time that every fight from the moment he turned pro to 1964 was built towards Ali fighting either Patterson or Liston eventually. They had a plan. They were not looking to get a cheap title and keep ah old of it or build towards being a ppv star etc etc etc. It helped that none of those things existed back then lol I remember reading the same hwen it comes to Leonard. Or about Holyfield's cruiser to heavy journey. Fighters are now brought up through a system in the US designed to sell them purely as products and ecah product needs a selling point. The "0" is the most powerful and then beyond that its getting a world title, no matter how menaingless the term "world" or "champion" now means. There are very few fighters brought up in a system where they have to earn their stripes, the excepitons being Khan, Bradley, Maidana, GGG, Kovalev, Froch, DeGale (guy had to fight in bloody hsoping centers after the groves loss lol) and a few others. Very few.

I will also talk about another problem, a far bigger problem. Fighters no longer prove their stripes as prospects and contenders. Garcia and Thurman were both 'champions' because they beat that welterweight legend, Robert Guerrero. That says a lot about what's wrong with the sport right there.