A P4P Record

My current 2019 standings A lot has changed since the last time I put up a list...yet a lot still remains the same. The upper crust of boxing is still the upper crust, corruption in the US still rains supreme but we have bright sparks like Inoue and Usyk's exceptional decision to move up, even if he is yet to fight a top opponent. So here goes: My previous list - 1. Gennady Golovkin 2. Vasily Lomachenko 3. Terrence Crawford 4. Canelo Alvarez 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Oleksandr Usyk 7. Naoya Inoue 8. Sor Rungvisai 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Murat Gassiev My current list - 1. Vasiliy Lomachenko 2. Gennady Golovkin 3. Canelo Alvarez 4. Terrence Crawford 5. Naoya Inoue 6. Oleksandr Usyk 7. Anthony Joshua 8. Juan Francisco Estrada 9. Sor Rungvisai 10. Artur Beterbiev Gassiev drops out for being inactive for a year or more according to my rules. Lomachenko overtakes GGG for unifying and defending his divisional belts while GGG shows signs of slipping from his peak. Alvarez and Crawford exchange places, the former won a title at yet another division, even if it wasn't against the best fighter, while the latter has wasted a year. Inoue and Usyk both jump above Joshua, but the latter can still rise a place if he beats Ruiz, especially if it looks impressive. Estrada and Rungvisai is a straight swap after their fight.

I have some updates to make. My last list: 1. Vasiliy Lomachenko 2. Terrence Crawford 3. Gennady Golovkin 4. Sergey Kovalev 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Oleksandr Usyk 7. Naoya Inoue 8. Sor Rungvisai 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Murat Gassiev Now it looks like: 1. Gennady Golovkin 2. Vasily Lomachenko 3. Terrence Crawford 4. Canelo Alvarez 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Oleksandr Usyk 7. Naoya Inoue 8. Sor Rungvisai 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Murat Gassiev Koavlev drops out due to his loss, Canelo makes a return after his ban and terrific performance ,GGG should be the rightful winner and showed everything a great fighter should, so goes top.

Yeah I get that. Inoues win really did feel like a p4p moment and Usyks performance last night was very good against the best his division had to offer. Lets see how his journey unfold because he beats 90% of heavies too on last night's evidence. I mentioned in another thread that I think he beats 100% of heavies. I think Wider has the "punchers chance" but that's it. If I'm Usyk, I take the HW "tuneup" against Bellew, then I face AJ (Usyk becomes #1 contender for the WBO once he announces his move to HW) So that will give AJ three options. Fight Wilder, Fight Usyk, or drop the title. I'd fight Wilder lol. AJ vs Usyk looks a lot like Usyk vs Joyce a few years ago.

It won't happen until this evening, once the sun comes up fully it's a long day of house and yard work. Criteria for me is basically the eye test though, style, matchups, opponents, etc. But when it comes to opponents, I also factor two things. Prime (I hate that boxrec will give a ****load of points to someone like Jeff Horn because he beat a past their prime Paq.) and if they're being ducked. Sor Rungvisai is in my top 10, but I bet he's going to have a hard time finding opponents unless he moves up to Bantamweight (I was hoping he would for the WBSS tournament. I've been dying to see him and Inoue go at it) oh, and weights too. You'll notice Loma and Inoue in my top 5, those guys are basically fighting bigger men now. They're past the point of draining themselves and they're fighting at what is basically their walk around weight and embarrassing bigger men. Crawford too now that he's at WW. I don't rank people that I consider "weight cheats" (Inoue looked like a child in the ring against Mcdonnell) Usyk wasn't in my top 5 until his masterclass performance yesterday. He was around 8 or 9 I believe. That performance blew me away more than the boxing lesson he gave Joe Joyce a couple years ago. Yeah I get that. Inoues win really did feel like a p4p moment and Usyks performance last night was very good against the best his division had to offer. Lets see how his journey unfold because he beats 90% of heavies too on last night's evidence.

go for it also, write down the criteria you use It won't happen until this evening, once the sun comes up fully it's a long day of house and yard work. Criteria for me is basically the eye test though, style, matchups, opponents, etc. But when it comes to opponents, I also factor two things. Prime (I hate that boxrec will give a ****load of points to someone like Jeff Horn because he beat a past their prime Paq.) and if they're being ducked. Sor Rungvisai is in my top 10, but I bet he's going to have a hard time finding opponents unless he moves up to Bantamweight (I was hoping he would for the WBSS tournament. I've been dying to see him and Inoue go at it) oh, and weights too. You'll notice Loma and Inoue in my top 5, those guys are basically fighting bigger men now. They're past the point of draining themselves and they're fighting at what is basically their walk around weight and embarrassing bigger men. Crawford too now that he's at WW. I don't rank people that I consider "weight cheats" (Inoue looked like a child in the ring against Mcdonnell) Usyk wasn't in my top 5 until his masterclass performance yesterday. He was around 8 or 9 I believe. That performance blew me away more than the boxing lesson he gave Joe Joyce a couple years ago.

1. Vasall Lomachenko 2. Terrance Crawford 3. Oleksandr Usyk 4. Naoya Inoye 5. Gennedy Golovkin Maybe I should do a top 10 go for it also, write down the criteria you use

1. Vasall Lomachenko 2. Terrance Crawford 3. Oleksandr Usyk 4. Naoya Inoye 5. Gennedy Golovkin Maybe I should do a top 10

1. Vasiliy Lomachenko 2. Terrence Crawford 3. Gennady Golovkin 4. Sergey Kovalev 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Oleksandr Usyk 7. Naoya Inoue 8. Sor Rungvisai 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Murat Gassiev Usyk moves up to 6th, Murat retains 10th and the little men duke it out just outside that upper echelon. Inoue probably has the bets shot of ranking higher.

1. Vasiliy Lomachenko 2. Terrence Crawford 3. Gennady Golovkin 4. Sergey Kovalev 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Naoya Inoue 7. Sor Rungvisai 8. Juan Francisco Estrada 9. Oleksandr Usyk 10. Murat Gassiev So changes to the top. Loma goes to number one with the best win of his career.

I feel the list must be changed, as Canelo has not only failed a drug test, he has removed himself from the GGG fight. To me that is not acceptable for someone that is supposed to be a top class fighter. Per my rules, he can not re-enter the rankings unless he returns with clean tests and against a top opponent. 1. Terence Crawford 2. Gennady Golovkin 3. Vasyl Lomachenko 4. Sergey Kovalev 5. Anthony Joshua 6. Naoya Inoue 7. Sor Rungvisai 8. Juan Francisco Estrada 9. Oleksandr Usyk 10. Murat Gassiev Everyone moves up a place and Gassiev enters the rankings for the first time.

1- Loma 2- Crawford 3- GGG 4- Canelo 5- Rungvisai 6- Spence 7- Inoue 8- Thurman 9- M. Garcia 10-Estrada

1. Terence Crawford 2. Gennady Golovkin 3. Vasyl Lomachenko 4. Saul Alvarez 5. Sergey Kovalev 6. Anthony Joshua 7. Naoya Inoue 8. Sor Rungvisai 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Oleksandr Usyk Big changes here. Rungvisai jumps in at 8, Inoue moves up to 7 as Estrada moves down 2 places and Thurman moves out due to inactivity. Usyk still lingers at 10, not quite looking as p4p as the other names on that list.

1a. Lomachenko 1b. Crawford 3. Golovkin 4. Canelo 5. Usyk 6. Estrada 7. Inoue 8. Kovalev 9. Spence 10. M. Garcia I think if there's a clear winner May 5th, I'd expect the loser to fall out of the top 5 with a clear winner to Superfly 2 and the cruiserweight finals especially if it's Estrada and Usyk who are already right there. Another close fight, with perhaps another controversial outcome and perhaps both those guys leapfrog GGG and Canelo. A win for Loma over Linares and it's no longer 1a and 1b for me at the top. I can see the rest sort of staying the same for the time being with Kovalev perhaps the most vulnerable to drop out & Joshua and Santa Cruz the two best positioned to enter the list if things go as I expect. I agree with most of your list, even if I may have a slightly different order, but why is Garcia in there instead of AJ?

Ok, so its a new year, a new dawn etc so I want everyone who wants to, to post their top 10 p4p lists on here and we can thus keep a record of how people are ranking fighters and how those rankings change through the course of the year (so obviously post updated lists when changes are reuqired or you feel are necessary). This is not necessarily a thread to discuss the validity of each list but rather how thesel ists are put together and what you hold to be your criteria. And ofc a record of how it will change over the course of the year (if at all) Mine is as thus: 1. Sergey Kovalev 2. Roman Gonzalez 3. Gennady Golovkin 4. Saul Alvarez 5. Vasyl Lomachenko 6. Terence Crawford 7. Manny Pacquiao 8. Naoya Inoue 9. Shinsuke Yamanaka 10. Juan Francisco Estrada Edit: Forgot to add in my criteria although I've spoken about it elsewhere and on here in other posts too but I thought I'd collect it all in one place. - Skill set. This is about as objective as it gets. How good is the fighter I am seeing in front of my eyes, regardless of hype, accomplishments and what poeple write. How good does he seem to me. This is dividied into sub divisions of offence, defence and all round ability. A guy with exceptional offence but lacking in other departments would not rank as high as a guy with very good offence of his own but also defence and the ablity to apply a wide range of game plans. One trick ponies do not rank high in this category. - Resume. This is simple really. The higher the quality of opposition faced and how regularly this level of opposition has been faced. It's important that a fighter not only win but win good. The better the quality of the performance, the higher the rank. This is within a time frame of 2-3 years, or hopefully 3-5 fights. However, inactivity of a year or no world class win in a year or more means the person gets dropped from my list. E.g. Tim Bradley. It was a little uner a year ago that he lost to Pacquiao and he hs not fought since .Skill wise and resume wise he is one of the best out there. But he does not make the list due to him not having shown that for almost a year. - Accomplishments. Again, pretty simple: world champions fought, beat, championships won. But, as with anything, the quality of the world champion is looked at. For example, Pacquiao beat Bradley for what I believe was his 3rd world title at 147, that rates higher than him beating Vargas for yet another world title. - Wins/Losses. Who has the p4p entrant lost to, if anyone. And how did they lose and how have they bounced back from that. If a fighter has never lost, they will normally rank higher yet if a fighter has lost to a higher calibre of opponent than the undefeated fighter has faced, it equals itself out. - Transferrence of skill. This is the most mythical of all the criteria and the essence of a p4p list. How well do I feel a fighter will be able to transfer their skills across weight divisions? The best way to rate highly here is to show us. Frampton unified his own division and then jumped up a division and beat top dog there but he also then lost the rematch. The winner of that trilogy (LSC himself has been able to beat top guys across division) will likely step in at number 10 in the p4p list with Estrada falling out. Of course, this might be a disadvantage for heavyweights or single division, dominant champs but thats where the fantasy element comes in. Example, if AJ beats Wlad, he will come into the p4p list, because he would have beaten an atg and if his performanc is very good, it is difficult to imagine many fighters, regardless of weight, causing him much trouble. lol...this man is so damn butt hurt its hilarious

1a. Lomachenko 1b. Crawford 3. Golovkin 4. Canelo 5. Usyk 6. Estrada 7. Inoue 8. Kovalev 9. Spence 10. M. Garcia I think if there's a clear winner May 5th, I'd expect the loser to fall out of the top 5 with a clear winner to Superfly 2 and the cruiserweight finals especially if it's Estrada and Usyk who are already right there. Another close fight, with perhaps another controversial outcome and perhaps both those guys leapfrog GGG and Canelo. A win for Loma over Linares and it's no longer 1a and 1b for me at the top. I can see the rest sort of staying the same for the time being with Kovalev perhaps the most vulnerable to drop out & Joshua and Santa Cruz the two best positioned to enter the list if things go as I expect.

Just an update on what my list was like at the end of last year - 1. Terence Crawford 2. Gennady Golovkin 3. Vasyl Lomachenko 4. Saul Alvarez 5. Sergey Kovalev 6. Anthony Joshua 7. Juan Francisco Estrada 8. Naoya Inoue 9. Keith Thurman 10. Oleksandr Usyk I havent made any changes yet, but the winner of the WBSS will have a say in how things shape up, especially based on the manner of the victory. Loma, GGG, Canelo and TC can all make big waves and really stake a claim to being the true stand outs.

In 2018 Ill be looking out for: -Crawford at 147 -Loma vs one of the top 130lbers or moving up to 135 -Rungvisai vs Estrada (winner going top 5) -Winner of the Cruiserweight WBSS (to go into top 100 -Winner of Alvarez vs GG II -Inuoe at 118/getting involved with other top 115lbers The top 4 seem well set looking at other peoples lists (and my own), though the order seems to change. Alvarez, GG, Crawford and Loma. Hopefully one can seperate themselves next year. All have the chance to

P4P 1.a Golovkin 1.b Alvarez 3.a Crawford 3.b Lomachenko 5. Garcia 6. Estrada 7. Rungvisai 8. Leo Santa Cruz 9. Inuoe 10. Thurman

1) Vasyl Lomachenko Notable wins - Guillermo Rigondeaux, Nicholas Walters, Gary Russell Jr. 2) Terence Crawford Notable wins - Yuriorkis Gamboa, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo 3) Gennady Golovkin Notable wins - Daniel Jacobs, David Lemiuex, Kell Brook 4) Canelo Alvarez Notable wins - Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara, Austin Trout 5) Oleksandr Usyk Notable wins - Krzystof Glowacki, Marco Huck, Michael Hunter 6) Mikey Garcia Notable wins - Adrien Broner, Orlando Salido, Roman Martinez 7) Keith Thurman Notable wins - Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Leonard Bundu 8) Errol Spence Notable wins - Kell Brook, Chris Algieri, Leonard Bundu 9) Sergey Kovalev Notable wins - Bernard Hopkins, Jean Pascal, Nathan Cleverly 10) Anthony Joshua Notable wins - Wladimir Klitschko, Carlos Takam, Dominic Breazale

My end of year P4P Top 10: 1. Terence Crawford 2. Gennady Golovkin 3. Vasyl Lomachenko 4. Saul Alvarez 5. Sergey Kovalev 6. Anthony Joshua 7. Juan Francisco Estrada 8. Naoya Inoue 9. Keith Thurman 10. Oleksandr Usyk I think the only 2 fighters that truly stand out in terms of fluid skills are TC and Loma, 2018 is the year they have to grab boxing by the scruff of its neck. That's all folks.