Is it time for Wilder to find a new trainer?

His technique is brutal. It would take a lot of work and it's hard to say who'd pull it off. Roach has plenty of experience but he's a corner man for hire these days. Granted Cotto has been a success story of sorts but there aren't many others. Robert Garcia can point to Maidana as proof that he can give a raw fighter some polish. But does he have any experience at heavyweight? Would be hard for Wilder to go to a guy with no track record in the division. Atlas is still around and he does have the experience. But his ego is just too much to put up with for most guys. And let's face it, he's a bit of a bullshitter anyway. Of course there are others like Hunter, Jackon, Sanchez etc. But at the end of the day, there is no Emanuel Steward for a modern American heavyweight to turn to. A guy who has the personality, the deep knowledge, and the track record to go with it.

It's crazy that a man who began boxing in his 20s has accomplished this much. The thing that blows my mind is imagine how good Deontay could be if he had been trained by someone like Emanuel Steward as a young boy.

Wilder can't land his right hand? Somebody get this scab some glasses. if wilder had more intelligent offense he'd be a very promising fighter. he's one of the wildest fighters in boxing, especially when he gets a guy hurt. it's his technique is downright embarrassing for a 31 year old who trains and fights for a living. of course you're either a troll, or an alt, and i could show you hours of video where you could see how flawed wilder's technique is and you'd stand there and tell me it's flawless. go post on your "realpugilist account."

talent is raw ability. don't care how you use it bro :lol1:. it's somehting you're born with. genetic variation and talent are virtually the same thing. wilder's 6'7". brough that to the sport. 7 foot reach. brough tthat, too. has arguably the biggest right hand since wladimir's prime brought that to the sport. can't land it because he's not well schooled and he never got hit hard enough to learn lessons when he was coming up. no amateur career outside of a very fortunate run to the olympic trials with a couple dozen fights. poorly schooled. Aside from the definition of the word talent...i agree with all that. Perhaps mental capacity and skill would have been a better choice of words than talent, but wgaf...he's lacking something regardless.

Talent is also the ability to execute what you've learned. Not all talent is raw talent...being talented also means having the capacity to be successful. Maybe not the best use of the word, but i separate it from pure ability. talent is raw ability. don't care how you use it bro :lol1:. it's somehting you're born with. genetic variation and talent are virtually the same thing. wilder's 6'7". brough that to the sport. 7 foot reach. brough tthat, too. has arguably the biggest right hand since wladimir's prime brought that to the sport. can't land it because he's not well schooled and he never got hit hard enough to learn lessons when he was coming up. no amateur career outside of a very fortunate run to the olympic trials with a couple dozen fights. poorly schooled.

Freddie Roach

Send one of your Aztec warriors to show Wilder how it goes.:lol1: Otherwise STFU You'd be giving him lap-dances if his name were Wilderovic That short right hand that dropped Washington wasn't arm flinging. If you took Wilder and placed him on top of a mountain, made him shadow box and connect him to a generator he would produce enough kinetic energy to power a whole city. 'Wilder windmills' are the future of sustainable, clean energy. This could be a huge leap forward for mankind.

This is only my opinion, but Klitschko is past it and the Fury fight showed that rather clearly. Klitschko not being willing to let any shots go did him in faster than anything Fury did, tbh. Deontay Wilder is a heavyweight fighter, who has shown that he can push his hard pace and keep it going for nearly a full 12-round fight; with the power that Wilder has, he can afford to start off slow. Remember, to outpoint Wilder, you've still got to win 7 rounds, and then make it all the way through 12 rounds, against a guy who can dead heavyweights with one shot (in addition to being one of the longest fighters in the division, with a good set of tools in his own right). Beyond that, we do seem to agree on the conclusion of this whole thing; Joshua vs Wilder for the undisputed heavyweight championship. ...if one of them doesn't get derailed. They are both very gifted, but experience means a lot. If they were fighting after their next fights, i believe a faded wlad is much better experience than stiverne. I don't expect them to fight for 1-2 year tho. Hopefully they both keep winning and it can be built into a meaningful hw title fight.

Fury is hit and miss, but if wlad couldn't figure out how to fight him over 12 rounds, i doubt wilder would in 4 rounds. It all depends what version of fury shows up. I could see that fight having more exchanges than the wlad fight...and with wilders power, all bets are off. Imo wilder starts too slow and he'd get out pointed tho. That is if we even see a decent version of fury again. Wlad vs joshua will tell us what joshua is all about and if wlad has anything left...but i think it's eventually going to come down to wilder and joshua. This is only my opinion, but Klitschko is past it and the Fury fight showed that rather clearly. Klitschko not being willing to let any shots go did him in faster than anything Fury did, tbh. Deontay Wilder is a heavyweight fighter, who has shown that he can push his hard pace and keep it going for nearly a full 12-round fight; with the power that Wilder has, he can afford to start off slow. Remember, to outpoint Wilder, you've still got to win 7 rounds, and then make it all the way through 12 rounds, against a guy who can dead heavyweights with one shot (in addition to being one of the longest fighters in the division, with a good set of tools in his own right). Beyond that, we do seem to agree on the conclusion of this whole thing; Joshua vs Wilder for the undisputed heavyweight championship.

I think its best that Deontay Wilder stays with his current trainer! if he was 17 years old..? then maybe yes, he could change trainers! But Deontay Wilder has been through the fundamental learning stages of his boxing career! and usually when boxers suddenly change trainers deep into their careers? its detrimental to there fundamental style (And emotional state of being in my opinion!).. Ricky Hatton should never of left Billy Graham, and i also think that David Haye should of attempted to work things out between himself and Adam Booth (Just because i enjoyed Adam Booth's mind games! with his opponents! Shane Mcguigan does not provide much support in this area of boxing competition! He is a very timid individual, hopefully his experience with David Haye helps him grow as pugilistic presence)...

I still believe what we saw that night vs Fury was just father time catching up to K-bro. We will see in the Joshua fight for certain. I agree...the joshua fight will tell us a lot. Part of wlads struggle with fury was not having the size/reach advantage he's used to having. He faced other big men, but none that could move as well as fury. The same thing is gonna trouble wilder against these other big athletic heavyweights...how is he gonna react without the advantages he's accustomed to against someone with just as much ability?

Fury is hit and miss, but if wlad couldn't figure out how to fight him over 12 rounds, i doubt wilder would in 4 rounds. It all depends what version of fury shows up. I could see that fight having more exchanges than the wlad fight...and with wilders power, all bets are off. Imo wilder starts too slow and he'd get out pointed tho. That is if we even see a decent version of fury again. Wlad vs joshua will tell us what joshua is all about and if wlad has anything left...but i think it's eventually going to come down to wilder and joshua. I still believe what we saw that night vs Fury was just father time catching up to K-bro. We will see in the Joshua fight for certain.

Wilder isn't just waiting for a perfect shot; he simply needs time to figure out what he's in the ring with. Fury's style is awkward, but don't kid yourself into thinking he can't be figured out in 4 rounds. Fury is hit and miss, but if wlad couldn't figure out how to fight him over 12 rounds, i doubt wilder would in 4 rounds. It all depends what version of fury shows up. I could see that fight having more exchanges than the wlad fight...and with wilders power, all bets are off. Imo wilder starts too slow and he'd get out pointed tho. That is if we even see a decent version of fury again. Wlad vs joshua will tell us what joshua is all about and if wlad has anything left...but i think it's eventually going to come down to wilder and joshua.

In any case, against guys his own height/reach, his jab will need to be better to land his right hand. Fury could fight a similar fight that he did against klitschko and force wilder to come forward, which is not his best tactic. Waiting for the perfect opening against a top level fighter is a gamble at best. Wilder isn't just waiting for a perfect shot; he simply needs time to figure out what he's in the ring with. Fury's style is awkward, but don't kid yourself into thinking he can't be figured out in 4 rounds.

wilder has regressed. it's not the fault of his trainers that the guy is dumb as a mule, in love with his power, and doesn't listen. this is a failure of matchmaking, if nothing else. who cares if you're a bad listener wehn you're matched with guys who will bang you on the chin when you're learning? wilder stayed on his bum tour for too long. by the time he got into the ring with dangerous guys he had developed bad habits. you need the dominic guinn of the world to keep you honest when you're 10-20 fights in. if you lose, you still learn something. and as long a you're not gettng your brains smashed in you'll be a better fighter downt he road. Im not sure if he has regressed or not but he certainly has not improved in my eyes. And I was thinking the same thing as you as far as falling in love with his power goes. It seems to me like he knows (and should) his right hand can bail him out but like I said, once someone takes that away then what?

You hide behind GGG while criticizing Wilder....that's rich. Other Champions would not be criticized for scoring a 5th round TKO after a long layoff. You best believe that. Other Champions would be praised for throwing such a short right hand with that much power. Washington didn't really expose anything...What did he land besides a jab? Nothing. You gotta have more than a jab to beat Wilder..that's all Washington showed. I don't care about ggg...it's just an example of your inconsistency. Oh I see...it was the layoff that makes it different. Wilder looked uncomfortable with the length and timing of Washingtons jab. If Washington was more disciplined/experienced/patient, much like some of the other champions wilder will be facing, wilder could have very easily been in a position where he'd have to chase the fight. It's about more than just the result.

What do you mean "too late"? That short right hand he dropped Williams with was a thing of beauty. Not wild in the least bit. You Wilder detractors better focus on what he does right.....that way you won't be shocked when he Baptizes somebody you like. Wilder is not the only fighter at heavy with flaws...but what he does have is more than enough to destroy anybody in the division.:boxing: Missed me with that one buddy. Go find another thread to troll on.

you genuinely don't know what talent is, because it is exactlt the tame thing as "physical gifts," and exactly the opposite of fundamentals. talent is something you bring with you to the sport. wilder didn't learn how to be 6'7" tall, have 7 feet of reach, or punch like a mule. he needs to learn how to box he has plenty of talent some of you should have been kept back in grade school. Talent is also the ability to execute what you've learned. Not all talent is raw talent...being talented also means having the capacity to be successful. Maybe not the best use of the word, but i separate it from pure ability.

It is what it is, and that's all it's going to be.

wilder has regressed. it's not the fault of his trainers that the guy is dumb as a mule, in love with his power, and doesn't listen. this is a failure of matchmaking, if nothing else. who cares if you're a bad listener wehn you're matched with guys who will bang you on the chin when you're learning? wilder stayed on his bum tour for too long. by the time he got into the ring with dangerous guys he had developed bad habits. you need the dominic guinn of the world to keep you honest when you're 10-20 fights in. if you lose, you still learn something. and as long a you're not gettng your brains smashed in you'll be a better fighter downt he road.