Luis Ortiz now enrolled and has passed WBC CBP/VADA

I think it's bull**** that he's allowed to fight at all. He got, what, a 6 month ban? For heavy steroid use. Sure, you lose some of the muscle as you come of roids but you retain a fair bit, and more important having been on like he was it allows you to train and recover faster. He should've received a 5+ year ban really. thats a bit unfair.. he had to do 15 hours community service and pay $450 for the lab tests. HE'S SUFFERED ENOUGH!!

I think it's bull**** that he's allowed to fight at all. He got, what, a 6 month ban? For heavy steroid use. Sure, you lose some of the muscle as you come of roids but you retain a fair bit, and more important having been on like he was it allows you to train and recover faster. He should've received a 5+ year ban really.

Stiverne has already said he's not fighting ortiz so he should forfeit the mandatory shot now.....my theory really is this.....ortiz will become mandatory for wilders title...joshua could very well go the haye or fight with parker ( more that likely he beats fury ) which will force wilder to defend against the mandatory ortiz..if ortiz beats wilder that then creates a unifciation between joshua and ortiz who are both promoted by hearn and would again be a sell out at wembley stadium...hearn cannot lose either no matter who wins between wilder and ortiz and really what we have to realise is wilder brings absolutely no money to the table even in his own country so hearn might as well make the big miney here and keep the titles in his stable .....i can see wilder having to fight ortiz as his mandatory

http://wbcboxing.com/WBCVADA/testimonials/ With papa Ortiz now being successfully enrolled in the program, and apparently passing according to WBC/VADA, what are the chances of Wilder giving him his next fight? Or any fight... Discuss. As a voluntary? Zero. Let him become WBC mandatory and he can get the work

Wilder needs to man up, and fight him

Unless he is forced to via mandatory - no, I don't believe Wilder will fight him. Wilder isn't looking to step up voluntarily - gotta force him.

He still has a history of cheating, I don't know how he can have the fans forget this see its **** like that, that gives people like wilder a free pass to never fight him. It was years ago, he has tested for fights since and been clean. He is now in a voluntary 365 testing for the WBC. he is allowed to fight for that belt.. but people like you sit and give cause to champions ducking him.

He still has a history of cheating, I don't know how he can have the fans forget this

What do you make of Stiverne saying he wont fight another eliminator due to the povetkin problems? do you think stiverne should fight the eliminator against ortiz, or get a pass and fight wilder next ? Stiverne has beaten no one since he lost to Wilder. He's done nothing to earn a title shot. It should be Ortiz vs. Stiverne in the title eliminator.

He's ranked #2 behind Stiverne. That's an easy W for him. Knock off the #1 contender and take the mandatory spot. What do you make of Stiverne saying he wont fight another eliminator due to the povetkin problems? do you think stiverne should fight the eliminator against ortiz, or get a pass and fight wilder next ?

He's ranked #2 behind Stiverne. That's an easy W for him. Knock off the #1 contender and take the mandatory spot.