Cmon guys, is it really Deontay's fault his best win was Stiverne? Povetkin was a great name for his resume but what happened was out of his hands. The last one also failed a PED test if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure he would have fought Wlad/AJ if he had the chance :beerchug:
Then clearly you don't understand how resumes work. You don't list every job you've ever had. You list your most impressive and your most recent.
So Wilder's resume has one job on it, two years ago. Correct?
he has the best resume of any current heavyweight champion, so why are you fixated on his instead of the others?
#doublestandard
Dilution is a very real thing - and Wilder's resume is full of it.
When you have 37 fights, and 1 of them is against a genuine opponent, that's a poor ratio.
FFS, even Parker has Ruiz and Takam after 22 fights. Don't let me strain you too hard - but 2 is more than 1.
No #doublestandard here, just a refusal to be conned.
Anthony Joshua - should he beat Klitchko - jumps ahead of Wilder clearly too.
The champs forfeited 2x, remember dummy?
Did he fight for the belts?
Fighters fight for vacant titles all the time and they just handed him their belts, they are literally worthless
He is a paper champ. ..deal with it.
Your position doesn't make any sense. He's won every defense by knockout and won the title with a lopsided decision that nobody disputed.
The only way for him to be a "fake champion" would be if he was retaining thanks to bogus decisions, which he isn't. He's retaining by knockout. There's nothing fake about it. You're just a fake fan.
Mate, it ain't very impressive when you're fighting blokes that piss themselves and sleep in a back alley.
There is such a thing as quality of competition - something Wilder has avoided for much of his career.
He gets a pass for the Povetkin mess - he doesn't get a pass for having 37 fights and one decent win.
Joshua, beat a terrible champion in Martin who was given a belt after beating a terrible challenger via knee injury, and his two defences have been against Molina and Brealeaze, neither of which should b fighting for a world title. His best win was an self trained and injured Whyte
I just don't see how you can be frustrated with Wilder when he moved himself up the rankings, got his mandatory position and then completely dominated the champion. Made a couple routine defenses, including against a guy who just spent six months in the TBRB top ten last year. Then flew to Moscow to face the current TBRB #1.
And if you agree that Wilder has the best resume, then you should also agree that the anti-Wilder propaganda on this site is completely ridiculous.
That's not how boxing works and the WBC would have been sued. Povetkin still had rights. Wilder still had rights. Now Stiverne has rights. You can't just start mandating random guys all willy nilly.
You're also ignoring the fact that not only did Povetkin fail the test, but he also blatantly ducked the fight and caused numerous delays before failing the test. So that's a big reason why Wilder hasn't made a mandatory defense. On multiple occasions, he tried to get Povetkin in the ring and Povetkin said he wasn't ready yet. Povetkin defied the WBC order and took a tune up instead of negotiating the fight as mandated.
None of that is Wilder's fault. Now Wilder is trying to get the WBO champion to unify ASAP so he and Joshua can unify all four titles next year.
I understand the frustration, but Wilder is not to blame.
I think we're in agreement on most of this, and I definitely don't understand a lot of the anti-Wilder rhetoric from this site and beyond. It is all a bit bizarre for the American heavyweight champion, a guy who gets knockout after knockout, is so routinely panned. It's also weird that he gets criticised for his strong (and IMO admirable) stance on PEDs. Honestly, I like the guy.
The thing is, while it's not Wilder's fault, he still hasn't fought any decent fighter but Stiverne (and Duhaupas to an extent). Gerald Washington is a step up from his recent previous fights. That's terrible.
Wilder always gets flack over his level of compettion but at least he fought a top ten heavyweight for that title
as long as they're fighting for the belts, whether vacant or not....its fine by me....at least they fought for it
the biggest paper champion in boxing today is Gennady " TRIPLE G" Golovkin
He is hyped as the " unified middleweight champion of the world"
yet he only won one title in the ring, Vs David Lemieux and the WBC and wba WERE gift wrapped and he didn't even fight for them
kinda lame, and just another way to add accolades with actually earning the hype in the ring.
The champs forfeited 2x, remember dummy?
No, not probably. He was TBRB #3 in the world when they fought. If we're ignoring the sanctioning bodies, TBRB is the most logical ranking to look at.
Takam was #8 when Parker fought him. #8 is not on par with #3. False equivalency.
And Klitschko has been out of the ring for so long that he's not even ranked at all. But either way, as things stand right now, Wilder has the best win of any current heavyweight champion, yet the members of this site have been brainwashed by the HBO propaganda machine into believing that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.
More double standard. Joshua's voluntaries have been against Breazeale and Molina. Wilder had already successfully defended against Molina before Joshua faced him.
No matter how you slice it, Wilder has the best resume of the 3 heavyweight champions. He's been champion the longest. And his title has the longest unbroken lineage.
But because he's with Haymon, he is trashed here day in and day out.
Dude, I'm agreeing with you that he has the best resume of the current champs.
But there's enough room to agree on that part and to still be frustrated with Wilder. Hell, I'm definitely just as frustrated with Joshua, if not more so. I think Joshua's managers have clearly served him up bums on a platter.
WBC should have made one of the guys in the top 10 a mandatory for this fight though. It's insane that Wilder has gone this long without taking a mandatory. The Povetkin issue is only half of an excuse - it should've gone to someone good straight after that fell through. NOT Chris Arreola.
There are guys in the WBC rankings Wilder should be fighting. Takam, Ruiz, Kubrat Pulev, Ortiz (if he is indeed CBP enrolled), etc. One of these guys should be a mandatory.
I agree that it's not Wilder's fault that the WBC haven't enforced a mandatory but it doesn't change the actual result which is that he hasn't fought anyone good since Stiverne.
Diego Chaves was interim champion and Thurman knocked him out to win the title. He successfully defended the interim title three times and was then elevated to world champion.
He then successfully defended the world title against Guerrero, Collazo and Thurman. He was recently elevated to super champion.
Unfair to criticize him for following the rules of the WBA.
It wasn't a knock on Keith, it's just that he was elevated to champ. He didn't fight a champion to get the belt. I see the same thing said about GGG but it seems as if people don't mention Keith when that criticism it heaped on other fighters.
Also, an interim title isn't a real championship. Unless you're Robert Guerrero apparently
Wilder always gets flack over his level of compettion but at least he fought a top ten heavyweight for that title
as long as they're fighting for the belts, whether vacant or not....its fine by me....at least they fought for it
the biggest paper champion in boxing today is Gennady " TRIPLE G" Golovkin
He is hyped as the " unified middleweight champion of the world"
yet he only won one title in the ring, Vs David Lemieux and the WBC and wba WERE gift wrapped and he didn't even fight for them
kinda lame, and just another way to add accolades with actually earning the hype in the ring.
Some title holders won their vacant titles from good competition though.
Easter Jr vs Commey - IBF
Bellew vs Makabu - WBC
DeGale vs Dirrell - IBF
Pacquiao vs Bradley - WBO
Exactly so that's why I didn't count those as paper champions
It's not earth shattering. He's still young. His biggest fights are yet to come. But in the last 2 years, he shut out the TBRB #3 in the world and knocked out a guy that TBRB had in their top ten for six consecutive months last year.
Have Joshua or Parker beaten a guy that was ranked in the top 3 by TBRB when they faced them?
Wilder is held to a double standard because people hate Al Haymon. Plain and simple.
Wilder easily could have vacated and picked up the IBF belt. Instead, he flew to Moscow to face the current TBRB #1 in enemy territory.
Anybody criticizing Wilder is being ridiculous. He's literally facing all comers and knocking them out. Staying very active and clearing out the WBC rankings.
He's expressed a strong desire to unify. Instead of ****ting all over the guy, he should be given a chance to back up that claim. I believe he will attempt to unify. The fact that he flew to Moscow should show he's willing to face anybody.
I think there's an intermediate position between yours and the general consensus.
Stiverne is a legite win, probably a top 10 heavyweight at the time they fought. Duhaupas is probably top 20-ish. Malik Scott on his day ain't bad but gee that one looked fishy.
I would put the Takam win at least on par with the Stiverne win though. Joshua hasn't really fought anyone in the top 30 but he gets a pass for booking Klitschko.
So of the beltholders his record is probably the best. I think where people get annoyed with Wilder is that the voluntaries he takes are clearly the weakest in the available list - which is not something unique to him - and he hasn't had a proper mandatory enforced - which again is kinda out of his control.
That Warwyzk guy etc. He could have called:
- Andy Ruiz or Carlos Takam - would've made for an interesting comparison with Parker
- Dillian Whyte I believe was rated, again would've been interesting, as I think he's improved since the Joshua fight
- Ortiz, although I accept why his team don't want to go with a proven drugs cheat.
GGG. Won't accept $15 million yet won't make $15 million if he fought for the next 100 years.
Ward. Basically, stole the belt and holding it ransom, waiting for Kovalev to die.
Why would you post something so stupid? That's the rep you're aiming for? Even Ward, there's a worse champ in his own division, Chickenson.