After Ward/Kovalev, it seems as if everytime a fight fan's favorite fighter loses, somebody starts with the "R" word, which is useless at this point.
So, to clarify, there is no such thing as a "robbery" that was a close fight, meaning in a 12 round fight, a fight where a fighter did not win 8 rounds decisively.
Ward/Kovalev could not be a robbery, regardless of the outcome because neither fighter won a DEFINITIVE 8 rounds out of the 12.
You could argue that Ward won 4 definitively, Kovalev won 4 or 5 definitively, and the rest were up to interpretation.
THAT is not a robbery.
What we saw this weekend with Adrian Broner getting the decision against Adrian Granados, wasn't a robbery either, even if you think that Granados should have won, because there's no way that either fighter in that 10 round fight won 7 rounds DEFINITIVELY.
Robberies are predicated on somebody basically annihilating their opponent for 10 or 12 rounds and definitively winning the overwhelming majority of the rounds and yet still losing or getting a draw.
Bradley/Pacquaio I is the epitome of a robbery. I've watched the fight 3 times and each time I have Pacquiao winning 9 or 10 rounds definitively. No way in hell should that have been anything but a blowout win for Pac.
Julio Cesar Chavez/Pernell Whittaker is another Obvious robbery.
Can some of the "serious" fight heads, please school some of these youngsters on some true robberies in boxing
I have 3 ways of viewing when a decision doesn't match my scorecard
In some cases, a fight is so close, that it could easily go either way. In these fights, I just accept the official result. For example, I had JMM edging Pac in II and III (BTW I had Pac winning I). I just accept the official result.
If I think a result is clear, than I consider it a bad decision, and do not accept the result in my head. I would say Kovalev - Ward to be a bad decision -- almost a robbery. I mean conceivably, if you gave all the close rounds to Ward, you could get to 114-113 Ward, but I just cant accept it.
A robbery to me is when there is just no way the decision is possible. Pac - Bradley I was a robbery. I thought Oscar - Tito was a robbery too, even I despise Oscar and was a big Tito fan.
Do people consider Oscar vs Tito to be a robbery? Borderline probably.
I do. I remember watching that, rooting for Tito Trinidad (because I hated Oscar) and STILL thinking that Oscar won like 9 rounds
This statement contradicts the next.
Do you understand why Bradley even got close to beating Manny, much less beating him? It's quite simple, and anyone who really watched it saw the same.
In 7 of the rounds Manny basically didn't show up until like the last minute of the round. The first two, he was coasting and largely inactive. Tentative. It's the same thing that cost him the fight against TBE.
This is a guy who literally swarmed Miguel Cotto. Who danced around Margacheato. Where was that guy?
That fight wasn't a robbery. It was a joke - because Manny didn't show up.
Now, let's see some REAL robbery examples.
Soto/Lorenzo 1
Lewis/Holyfield 1
Broner/Malignaggi
Lara/Williams
Garcia/Hererra
Hopkins/Calzaghe (arguably)
Only the last one is debatable. The rest are CLEAR examples of robberies. Especially Lara/Williams. There's simply no other answer on that one.
It wasn't a contradiction, maybe you misunderstood what I was saying, or I worded it wrong.
What I was saying is that, unless a guy basically dominates a 10 or 12 round fight winning the overwhelming majority of rounds, which would be 7 rounds (in a 10 round fight) or 8 rounds (in a 12 round fight), then it's not a robbery.
I didn't mean that you had to literally win 10 or 12 rounds in order for it to be a definitive robbery
This statement contradicts the next.
Do you understand why Bradley even got close to beating Manny, much less beating him? It's quite simple, and anyone who really watched it saw the same.
In 7 of the rounds Manny basically didn't show up until like the last minute of the round. The first two, he was coasting and largely inactive. Tentative. It's the same thing that cost him the fight against TBE.
This is a guy who literally swarmed Miguel Cotto. Who danced around Margacheato. Where was that guy?
That fight wasn't a robbery. It was a joke - because Manny didn't show up.
Now, let's see some REAL robbery examples.
Soto/Lorenzo 1
Lewis/Holyfield 1
Broner/Malignaggi
Lara/Williams
Garcia/Hererra
Hopkins/Calzaghe (arguably)
Only the last one is debatable. The rest are CLEAR examples of robberies. Especially Lara/Williams. There's simply no other answer on that one.
manny didn't show up until the last minute where he bludgeoned bradley who had done nothing the first 2 minutes...round to bradley? Why?
I must say boxing is getting better at disguising their robberies. You could tell by the commentary who they're favoring. Then there is the skewed compubox stats. Probably the only real robberies I saw in the last few years was Lara/Williams followed by a distant Garcia/Herrera.
From a boxing perspective a robbery is a fight where one man clearly wins a lopsided fight but the opponent is given a draw or the win.
On NSB certain posters call it a robbery anytime someone named Ward, Floyd or Broner pulls out a close win no matter who the opponent is.
Sweet Pea v Ramirez is a robbery. Ward kov isn't a robbery.