It's not when the guy you don't like wins a close fight. Also, maybe Granados should stay at WW, but Broner ought to do whatever necessary to get to 140, because he's not doing much at 147.
A robbery is a case when out of fighters A and B, Fighter B gets the nod even though if we score responsibly and consider the facts, there is no concievable way we can give the fight to anyone other than fighter A.
A great example of a flat out cold, disgraceful robbery is Lara/Canelo.
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Lectures us about the proper definition of a robbery, and proceeds to give the worst example imaginable.
A lot of boxing fans can only understand extreme opinions. Someone is the best boxer ever, #1 P4P or a bum who should retire. The top ten is like 3 guys to these cats. Its sorta hilarious. So yea to them every decision they disagree with is a robbery. No grey area at all for them.
Why is it like that? I think maybe boxing tends to attract a lot of simple minded people who can only see extreme opinions cuz these black or white opinions always seem overly discussed to the point that even some of the reasonable boxing fans create threads off of the nutty boxing fans nutty stances.
This guy nailed it!!
Whitaker got robbed multiple times, even pac got robbed, but the modern day example is kovalev ward cause there is no way you get assualted and outlanded the whole fight and still win.
I told you before the fight that this was gonna be a closer fight than most people thought. I had Broner wining comfortably 6-4. Granados shots weren't landing clean or effective. He kept up the pressure but it wasn't effective aggression.
It was pretty effective for most of the fight, because Broner never really stopped him from fighting the way he wanted.
If the other guy can't stop your style, it's at least somewhat effective.
Lara/Williams was a blatant robbery. Ward/Kovalev was were the wrong man won. Broner/Granados was a close fight that could have gone either way.
Good definition, bad example. Lara/Canelo wasn't a robbery. I actually figured Lara would win, and had him losing close. Close fight. A robbery would be more like... Maybe Oscar/Tito, but Oscar giving away rounds makes that weird.
Totally agree with both of you, didn't consider Canelo/Lara a robbery at all. Williams/Lara that was disgraceful to the sport of boxing. Kovalev I thought won a close fight and didn't deserve to lose his belts, Tito/Oscar meh and Broner v Granados was also close but not a robbery. That word gets thrown around here too easily.
No, they do not know, gonzalez-coggi was a robbery, zarate-pintor, Lara-williams, Abril-rios, just off the top of my head, granados-broner wasn't a robbery although I think granados won...
I didn't realize people thought it was a close fight until I got home and got on Twitter and on here. That fight was not close at all. Broner won that going away
96-94 either way or 95-95 are fine scores..
97-93 broner is too wide imo
no one ''likes'' jabfests or clinch-a-thons. still, not all guys are bangers.
or, like timmy, are flashy but ineffective as sluggers.
all things being equal (all punches are visibly scored), i have to side with quantity over ''quality''. no way to prove a shot is quality if they dont do any harm.
just mho
Like I said there is no correct way to really look at the issue it is one of the main flaws with boxing scoring and how someone answers that dilemma is how they score fights. As long as they are consistent with it it is not a big deal really.
Personally I am open minded about scoring and can accept a range of scores in most fights.
im giving you every benefit of the doubt but dont say ''soft'' shots are all of a sudden hard to score.
tbh, most judges give bangers extra credit for shots landed on arms and shoulders and sloppy aggression.
I am not saying they don't, and I am not saying scoring the strength of shots is any more valid really it is just an alternate way of scoring a fight and if a guy is landing the better shots they should logically count for more.
Soft shots are harder to score because you don't hear the crack of the shot landing, or see the visible impact. It is why if a guy lands only jabs and the other guy lands fewer shots but all power punches more often than not the guy landing the power shots will win. If the guy does a great jab snapping the guys head with a jab they certainly stand a better chance than a guy landing pawing jabs though.
not everyone is a banger.
and if those monster shots are only good for making sweat fly, bfd.
if monster shots dont phase the guy, 10-9 for the guy who landed more.
If they make the other guys head move they are easier for judges to see, if the stop the guy in his tracks while the others just bounce off uselessly.
Logically those should not be counted as equal.
But like I said some will like it your way, and others a different way.
do scorecards have that option ?
10-9 or 9-10 which one do you go for. That is the inherent flaw in boxing judging because that call needs to be made some will go one way and some the other.
logically speaking, guy who lands the most should win (barring kd's)
So you would score a round for a guy that lands 5 pitty pat arm punches, over a guy that lands 3 full weight punches solid?
That guy landed 40% more often~
A robbery is one of 2 things
1 my favorite fighter loses a close fight
2 a fighter I hate wins a close fight
:lol1::lol1: That's exactly what it is around here.
It sucks that anyone does. I mean liking a fighter because they look like you is whatever, but riding them non stop while trashing their rivals turns NSB into pure cancer.
I agree. Just because he belongs in the same race and ethinicity as you doesn't mean you automatically should like, or support that fighter. If you are watching or scoring a fight you should score the fight in favor of a fighter who landed the cleaner punches.