GGG v. Jacobs is for THE MW title

Unifying has nothing to do with lineal. In fact the whole point of lineal is because fans didn't agree with fighters losing titles out of ring. You know like how they stripped Canelo and gave the title to Golovkin? :dunce::lol1: Unifying does have something to do with it...hopkins started the new linage by unifying. The lineal mw title was vacated by james toney and remained vacant until hopkins unified the division. How many times have title lineages been broken? New lineages are started all the time, which makes it a watered down concept. Talk about the ring belt...at least that holds some value and has an actual ranking system. Lineal lineal lineal...blah blah blah...

People always say a title is only as good as the champion who holds it. I dont think thats true. A title is only as good as the challengers you defend it against. Quoted for truth. If you're a champ, you must defend that championship or relinquish it. And I'm sorry, Amir Khan who went back to welterweight is not a good MW defense. It would be OK if Canelo had this catchweight fight (an OK matchup as a boxing event, just not a valid MW defense) and then followed it up with a valid MW defense. But that's not what happened. April 2013 was the last time a full size MW got a crack at the title. The "MW title" has turned into a joke.

wow ..now all the sudden Lineal is nerdy and mythical...smh The lineal championship at MW hasnt been defended against a top 15 MW since 2013, Larry. Just because Lineal is normally a good title, doesnt mean that it is in this case. People always say a title is only as good as the champion who holds it. I dont think thats true. A title is only as good as the challengers you defend it against.

wow ..now all the sudden Lineal is nerdy and mythical...smh The lineal championship at MW hasnt been defended against a natural MW since 2013, Larry. Just because Lineal is normally a good title, doesnt mean that it is in this case. People always say a title is only as good as the champion who holds it. I dont think thats true. A title is only as good as the challengers you defend it against.

wow ..now all the sudden Lineal is nerdy and mythical...smh How all of a sudden? It's always been. Especially when used the way you tools are trying to use it. Golovkin is the consensus #1 middle weight. A win over him means more than a win over Canelo, whoever beats Golovkin will carry hype, it'll be big, Canelo looks vulnerable, no one will care nearly as much, and to prove that, Golovkin is often put in the top 3 p4p, where is Canelo? How is Golovkin not the man to beat at middleweight? But no, you want to carry on with your irrelevant nerdy bullcrap about Canelo being "lineal" and thus somehow "the man to beat" at middleweight. L o l. He beat a tiny Cotto who beat a shot Martinez, then dropped his belt to run away from an actual middleweight and this guy is meant to be something at the weight? fuk off.

First these Golovkin fans wanted to change the rules for lineal, now they want to change undisputed. :rofl: He's got the dumbest fanboys. That's for sure.

Lineage isn't even worth mentioning in this situation. Too many special privileges given to guys with this "title".

Just a reminder that March 18 we have a fight to crown THE MW CHAMP.

No, i just watch fighters technique and strategy, which gets talked about very little on here. From this, i can tell who is the best, not by some organisation telling me. I have to put up with talking about how many millions a certain fighter should accept or decline, rather than the statagem of boxing chess. As far as i know if you are unified champion, that makes you undisputed champion. You can't dispute between the alphabet org's, given we just proved lineal is meaningless. Forget about GGG for a minute. Let's imagine the situation when in one weightclass Fighter A holds WBA and IBF straps, while Fighter B holds WBC and WBO. Both of them are unified champions, but neither is undisputed. Not sure if such split ever happened in reality, but theoretically possible.

There are many variations of the Lineal title. There isn't really a single 'lineal' champion unless its universally recognised across the board. Just thought i'd throw that into this thread. Give you something to think about..

GGG is no.1 ranked. Jacobs is no.2 ranked. Bingo. Its not a lineal title fight though. That is still with Canelo. Lineal is not the be all and end all and doesnt always signify the true champion This. Lineal is only the be all and end all for simple-minded folk, who cant process information independently. Stevenson is lineal. I believe Linares is lineal too (don't care enough to check). Only simple-minded folks think these dudes are THE CHAMP in their divisions.

Canelo is the lineal, but that doesn't mean it's not a huge joke. I can accept this reasoning too. Some of you say that we should subsume our opinions and just accept whatever "lineal rules" or the Ring -- or the ABCs tell you. I have a brain and I can process facts just like the Ring, or lineal nerds. Especially when the MW lineage has become a joke, hijacked by Super Jr. MWs. And for the record, I don't care what belts GGG holds - they mean even less than the Ring or lineal. Who he's beaten in the division matters. Thus, he IS NOT THE CHAMP at MW, not yet. He hasn't done enough. March 18, #1 & #2 fight, this will decide THE CHAMP.

Manny was 144 when he fought Margarito...so was it a ww fight? Nobody would dispute that Manny was fighting as a WW. Leonard/Duran fight at 160/158, but that's not a MW fight, lol! If we're going to care what the contracts say and what titles are on the line, why is it irrelevant that Canelo vacated his actual MW title? The whole idea you're arguing about some superficial status, but then side stepping around guys who 'actually' fight at the weight is coming off a little subjective.

I don't actually buy into the idea that Leonard was still the lineal champion, I'm just pointing how based on the same technicalities that favor Canelo being a lineal champion, that Leonard could also. Leonard/Duran was contracted for SMW, but both men came at the MW limits - Leonard at 160 and Duran at 158. Per Larry, that's still a SMW fight and doesn't count. not per me..per the contract

i see both points to be honest. to your point, they could have drafted a contract to fight at heavyweight, doesn't make them heavyweights. in this case one of the two fighters did go into supermiddleweight limit. in this scenario each person can make their own judgement and they won't be completely wrong. I don't actually buy into the idea that Leonard was still the lineal champion, I'm just pointing how based on the same technicalities that favor Canelo being a lineal champion, that Leonard could also. Leonard/Duran was contracted for SMW, but both men came at the MW limits - Leonard at 160 and Duran at 158. Per Larry, that's still a SMW fight and doesn't count.

So you're on record saying fighting at 160lbs is not fighting at MW. Manny was 144 when he fought Margarito...so was it a ww fight?

neither fight was contracted at 160..i have shown you that..doesnt matter what he came in at..you cant dispute facts..take your L like a man and move on Leonard was the WBC Super Middleweight Champion, and Hearns was the WBC No. 1-ranked super middleweight contender. Hearns was also the WBO Super Middleweight Champion, but his title was not at stake. Leonard refused to have anything to do with the WBO due to its involvement with fighters from apartheid South Africa. Leonard dictated the terms of the rematch, including a reported clause that carried big financial penalties if either fighter weighed more than 164 pounds at the official weigh-in. So you're on record saying fighting at 160lbs is not fighting at MW.

Again, so what? The man fought at 160lbs, that makes him a MW does it not? Is it no longer a fact that 160lbs is MW??? i see both points to be honest. to your point, they could have drafted a contract to fight at heavyweight, doesn't make them heavyweights. in this case one of the two fighters did go into supermiddleweight limit. in this scenario each person can make their own judgement and they won't be completely wrong.

Again, so what? The man fought at 160lbs, that makes him a MW does it not? Is it no longer a fact that 160lbs is MW??? neither fight was contracted at 160..i have shown you that..doesnt matter what he came in at..you cant dispute facts..take your L like a man and move on Leonard was the WBC Super Middleweight Champion, and Hearns was the WBC No. 1-ranked super middleweight contender. Hearns was also the WBO Super Middleweight Champion, but his title was not at stake. Leonard refused to have anything to do with the WBO due to its involvement with fighters from apartheid South Africa. Leonard dictated the terms of the rematch, including a reported clause that carried big financial penalties if either fighter weighed more than 164 pounds at the official weigh-in.

fights were contracted at supermiddle man..damn..162=supermiddle..155=middleweight..no argument..just FACTS!!!!!!!! Again, so what? The man fought at 160lbs, that makes him a MW does it not? Is it no longer a fact that 160lbs is MW???