"Mayweather is not an International Superstar" Dana White

500k against an unranked Berto is pretty good. I'd like to see McGregor's numbers when he's 40 against an unranked fighter. And no he definitely wouldn't. He's doing 1 million with Aldo he's not doing 1 million with Berto. You're deluded :lol1: Well if he's not headlining PPV's he can't be that known can he. That's pretty basic common sense. He's been headlining PPV's for 18 months. Cool that's one. "Weekly national press" How is it pretty good when everyone said it was a major flop? Especially with his contract and guarantee, it's like throwing money straight out the window. Yeah that was a year ago and 4 PPVs since mate and that was 1.2 not 1million. His stock has sky rocketed even further since then. Dana White said UFC 205 trended with more than 3 billion social media impressions. Are you serious? :lol1: He can't be that known yet does the best show EVER on Fox? :thinking: Just listen to that one more time. Anyway, stupid discussion. He's the biggest combat sports star on the planet right now, and that's what really matters. He's done 4million+ PPVs in 2016 and 5.6 from December to December in 2015-2016. That's rivaling Floyd in any year even incl. the Pacquiao show and better than Floyd's ever other 12 months.

Floyd fans are the most delusional fans. They don't think straight when it comes to Mayweather. its because they live vicariopously through him, similar to females who idol worship kardashian and reality stars, they think if you insult Floyd or Kardashian you are insulting them. Its a mental illness. Many of them even repeat their words, like with Floyd fans they repeat his words and smile and act as if its their money its kinda sad this usually happens to guys who grew up with a father and with an emotional irrational loud mouth mother with attitude and entitlement mentality they will take after their mother and whine and moan and conspire.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13681951/floyd-mayweather-andre-berto-fight-disappoints-pay-per-view-sales Between 400k and 550k. Either way, pathetic numbers that a guy of McGregor's selling power would never stoop to, no matter who's the opponent. They were super fights because all of McGregor's fights are super fights. Of course McGregor would do 1million+ vs Berto! In the UFC? 100000% he would do that. No question about it. So because he hadn't headlined a PPV he was an unknown? :lol1: What planet are you living on? haha. His two free shows leading up to his first PPV card were the most watched fight shows on fox - UFC dublin and fight night in Boston vs Siver. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/21/7867901/ufc-fight-night-mcgregor-vs-siver-ratings-hit-fox-sports-1-mma-news Even his first appearance on PPV in 2014 against Pourier sold because of him according to the UFC. Here's an article: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/week-mma-conor-mcgregor-joins-1646304 Where did I say he started on January 1st 2013? Don't hit me with a pathetic straw man. 500k against an unranked Berto is pretty good. I'd like to see McGregor's numbers when he's 40 against an unranked fighter. And no he definitely wouldn't. He's doing 1 million with Aldo he's not doing 1 million with Berto. You're deluded :lol1: Well if he's not headlining PPV's he can't be that known can he. That's pretty basic common sense. He's been headlining PPV's for 18 months. Cool that's one. "Weekly national press"

Pretty sure it wasn't 350 k and that was against an unranked fighter. McGregor would do 1 million with Berto? :lol1: Please. Diaz-McGregor 2 was a super fight. 205 was a super event. Didnt came close in numbers. His last fight was a few months ago. He has only been known for a year. 18 months I guess. He hadn't even headlined a PPV until 18 months ago. Oh "that's how you remember" maybe you shouldn't go off memory because your memory is terrible clearly. Got an article yet from 2013? You've got 52 to chose from since he was national press on a weekly basis in the Sunday papers that year :lol1: Too funny. http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13681951/floyd-mayweather-andre-berto-fight-disappoints-pay-per-view-sales Between 400k and 550k. Either way, pathetic numbers that a guy of McGregor's selling power would never stoop to, no matter who's the opponent. They were super fights because all of McGregor's fights are super fights. Of course McGregor would do 1million+ vs Berto! In the UFC? 100000% he would do that. No question about it. So because he hadn't headlined a PPV he was an unknown? :lol1: What planet are you living on? haha. His two free shows leading up to his first PPV card were the most watched fight shows on fox - UFC dublin and fight night in Boston vs Siver. According to some sources peaking at 3mil+ in early '15. Unknown doe McGregor-Siver was foxSports1's highest viewed telecast ever among males 18-34 and 18-49, surpassing 2014 NL Championship Series— Kevin Iole (@KevinI) January 21, 2015 McGregor-Siver was #1 of 111 cable networks across all key male and adult demos, households and total viewers Sunday from 10p.m.-12:30 a.m.— Kevin Iole (@KevinI) January 21, 2015 http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/21/7867901/ufc-fight-night-mcgregor-vs-siver-ratings-hit-fox-sports-1-mma-news Even his first appearance on PPV in 2014 against Pourier sold because of him according to the UFC. Here's an article: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/week-mma-conor-mcgregor-joins-1646304 Where did I say he started on January 1st 2013? Don't hit me with a pathetic straw man.

I highly doubt he has that many fans in Mexico or the Phillipines either. In the US he has groupies and wanna be groupies. They have devout boxing fans that appreciate and will watch and support floyd against an MMA fighter. The only places Connor can claim is ireland, brasil, and a certain demographic is the U.S.

So Mayweather sells 350k vs Berto when he was active - Otherwise on around 1mil other than in super fights, where of course 2 people create massive hype. McGregor has done 1.4, 1.65, 1.5 & 1.3 against guys you for sure didn't know who was and outside of hardcore UFC fans also didn't. That's the difference between him and McGregor. McGregor pulls on his own - That's real popularity. When you pull someone up like Berto, he failed miserably. Put McGregor in with Berto and he'd still do 1million+. With regards to the gate number, I remembered it being 20+ but OK it was 17.7. So outside of Mayweather's three biggest fights - One of which he was the B-side, McGregor outdid them in his last fight - despite as you say "only been known for a year" :lol1: That's gotta tell you something. Pretty sure it wasn't 350 k and that was against an unranked fighter. McGregor would do 1 million with Berto? :lol1: Please. Diaz-McGregor 2 was a super fight. 205 was a super event. Didnt came close in numbers. His last fight was a few months ago. He has only been known for a year. 18 months I guess. He hadn't even headlined a PPV until 18 months ago. Oh "that's how you remember" maybe you shouldn't go off memory because your memory is terrible clearly. Got an article yet from 2013? You've got 52 to chose from since he was national press on a weekly basis in the Sunday papers that year :lol1: Too funny.

Ok I remember them saying it was 20+, but OK. Those were absolute mega fights. This was McGregor vs Alvarez who quite honestly, no one, even hardcore fight fans really knew who was. And that's the difference. UFC 205 is one of the biggest, most stacked and most promoted fights in the history of UFC and the first one ever in NYC and for the double title. "That's the difference" You say some f*ckin dumb sh*t :lol1:

He did 1.65 vs Diaz I and 1.5 vs Diaz II. So you're wrong. How in what world could anyone on this planet ever claim that Nate Diaz is more of a name than Victor Ortiz? :thinking: Ortiz was coming off fight of the year + biggest fight on HBO in 2011. Now that's an absolutely hilarious claim - Especially Diaz in the first fight who was a late substitute and had made 40k in his last fight. "Note: The UFC does not release official PPV statistics, and the following PPV numbers are as reported by industry insiders." Show me a official source for those numbers. Dana White didn't even say those numbers the other day on The Herd. He said 1.3 and 1.5 I thought money made doesn't matter? Diaz is a bigger name in UFC than Ortiz is. Other than McGregor I've only heard of Rousey, Brock Lesnar and the Diaz Brothers (before he fought McGregor)

Erm, no. McGregor's last fight did 17 million at the gate. Mayweather-Canelo did 20 million at the gate and Mayweather-Oscar did 18 million at the gate. So I think you need to do your research. Pulling ridiculous numbers out your arse like 5 seperate times now. Because he's retired that's why. What were his interaction numbers when he was active? Much higher. Popularity isn't based off who likes you. It's based off who knows you. Miguel Cotto has WAY more fans than Mayweather. Are you telling me he's more popular than Mayweather? Ok and you're delusional :lol1: Literally the only things you've said to support your argument is a baseless conspiracy theory and the fact McGregor gets more likes on his photos at the moment. So Mayweather sells 350k vs Berto when he was active - Otherwise on around 1mil other than in super fights, where of course 2 people create massive hype. McGregor has done 1.4, 1.65, 1.5 & 1.3 against guys you for sure didn't know who was and outside of hardcore UFC fans also didn't. That's the difference between him and McGregor. McGregor pulls on his own - That's real popularity. When you pull someone up like Berto, he failed miserably. Put McGregor in with Berto and he'd still do 1million+. With regards to the gate number, I remembered it being 20+ but OK it was 17.7. So outside of Mayweather's three biggest fights - One of which he was the B-side, McGregor outdid them in his last fight - despite as you say "only been known for a year" :lol1: That's gotta tell you something.

McGregor has never done 1.5 million buys. The real numbers already were leaked and it wasn't 1.5 million and against a nobody? That was literally one the biggest and most hyped card in the history of the UFC. At the peak of Mayweather's popularity he fought an actual unknown in Ortiz and did 1.3 million. McGregor's biggest number. He did 1.65 vs Diaz I and 1.5 vs Diaz II. So you're wrong. How in what world could anyone on this planet ever claim that Nate Diaz is more of a name than Victor Ortiz? :thinking: Ortiz was coming off fight of the year + biggest fight on HBO in 2011. Now that's an absolutely hilarious claim - Especially Diaz in the first fight who was a late substitute and had made 40k in his last fight.

Lets be honest Mayweather was getting big numbers because people wanted him to face pac... That's why they dragged that fight out for 6 years.. look at Floyd ppv after vs berto Mayweather killed the boxing ppv business with his pac fight and turned of millions Before the De La Hoya fight Mayweather was an angry youth... He had a chip on his shoulder because he felt the public should support him and his fights were not selling. As a matter if fact he was in a position not so different from Ward is now: his style, his attitude and his media presence were all critisized. Things changed dramatically when he fought De La Hoya. The cross over of Oscar's fan base to root against Floyd gave Floyd his golden goose! From that point on til the next Floyd became a bad guy. He constantly made sure people respected his skills, but... that people had a reason to pay for a ticket to see him lose. Floyd has found that trying to be an ambassador again works only marginally well, which is probably why he is attacking Ward and his trainer. Yes the draw was what it was for his fight with Pacman, but NO, its not actually relevent as a turning point, nor as a reason for people to buy tickets. By the time of this fight both guys had their camps, their market appeal...their angle. The reason Floys got big numbers? Because when he fought De La Hoya he was brought into the fold so to speak...During that fight he was seen by many new eyeballs, established his angle as a bit of a heal, and showed many fans in the spanish demographic that he was on the menu. I don't know what you mean by Floyd killed boxing. People buy schitty boxing programs, its what the market will bare. The Berto fight was a cash out legacy fight that Mayweather fans paid for because it was his last fight. My friend people are not passive idiots with no free will...nobody forces one to buy the boxing programs. If people demand that pubs be allowed to show fights, that fight cards are better quality, etc. then money talks. I have not bought a PPV for years now, I still watch the fights. The airways belong to us all. So, if they give us excellent quality viewing, arrange great programs, etc...that is something fans will pay for...and no boxer can "kill" boxing in the manner you describe.

The gate did $17.7 mil in his last fight. Mayweather - Pac/Canelo/DLH all did more. http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/ Lets also not forget these UFC gate/PPV numbers aren't verified we have to believe Dana White. Ok I remember them saying it was 20+, but OK. Those were absolute mega fights. This was McGregor vs Alvarez who quite honestly, no one, even hardcore fight fans really knew who was. And that's the difference.

You haven't explained anything. you say he has higher numbers of followers. But how come he has 5million more followers than McGregor on instagram, yet only gets 22k likes on his last photo? or 17k on the one before that? Show me one single athlete with 14 million followers that gets that little interaction. McGregor uploads a picture of freaking grass on a field and still easily cracks 500k in 30 minutes. Explain that to me. I'm not being biased, i'm being a realist. You guys are insecure that an MMA fighter is more popular than Floyd Mayweather :lol1: That's freaking sad to see. Grown men going into super defense because of some insecurity with the growth of MMA. I mean, Dan is trying so say McGregor has only been big for a year :lol1: I've only known him for a year. At absolute most he's been known 2 years. Oh yeah, sad to see. You got an article yet from 2013 when McGregor had weekly national press in most of the Sunday papers? :lol1: What a hilarious claim.

When McGregor fought a nobody he still did 1.5 million buys :lol1: Yet Floyd gets a pass, why? McGregor has never done 1.5 million buys. The real numbers already were leaked and it wasn't 1.5 million and against a nobody? That was literally one the biggest and most hyped card in the history of the UFC. At the peak of Mayweather's popularity he fought an actual unknown in Ortiz and did 1.3 million. McGregor's biggest number.

McGregor did a 20+ million gate in his last fight. So no, they aren't just rivalling, they beat every gate he ever did except for the Pacquiao fight. PPVs in America is not a sign on international popularity. That's a stretch to say the least. Well my claims actually make sense. I'm just asking you to find another athlete with 14 million followers who only gets 30k likes on photos? Just find me one single athlete. Just because he sells some PPVs doesn't mean him on his own is popular as we saw against Berto for example. He sells a lot becaue people want to see him lose. Does that mean he's popular? No it doesn't. It means the opposite :lol1: McGregor's popularity is clearly a lot bigger than Floyd Mayweather's. No question about it. Erm, no. McGregor's last fight did 17 million at the gate. Mayweather-Canelo did 20 million at the gate and Mayweather-Oscar did 18 million at the gate. So I think you need to do your research. Pulling ridiculous numbers out your arse like 5 seperate times now. Because he's retired that's why. What were his interaction numbers when he was active? Much higher. Popularity isn't based off who likes you. It's based off who knows you. Miguel Cotto has WAY more fans than Mayweather. Are you telling me he's more popular than Mayweather? Ok and you're delusional :lol1: Literally the only things you've said to support your argument is a baseless conspiracy theory and the fact McGregor gets more likes on his photos at the moment.

Lets be honest Mayweather was getting big numbers because people wanted him to face pac... That's why they dragged that fight out for 6 years.. look at Floyd ppv after vs berto Mayweather killed the boxing ppv business with his pac fight and turned of millions

You haven't explained anything. you say he has higher numbers of followers. But how come he has 5million more followers than McGregor on instagram, yet only gets 22k likes on his last photo? or 17k on the one before that? Show me one single athlete with 14 million followers that gets that little interaction. McGregor uploads a picture of freaking grass on a field and still easily cracks 500k in 30 minutes. Explain that to me. I'm not being biased, i'm being a realist. You guys are insecure that an MMA fighter is more popular than Floyd Mayweather :lol1: That's freaking sad to see. Grown men going into super defense because of some insecurity with the growth of MMA. I mean, Dan is trying so say McGregor has only been big for a year :lol1: Are you stupid or just dense? I just told you why McGregor gets more interaction, he's active while Floyd is retired. It's not rocket science brother. Floyd has photos on instagram that have 700 thousand likes :lol1: What's your point? That video he posted trolling McGregor got 4 million views and over 250 thousand comments. And right now Mayweather's name is trending on Facebook moreso than McGregor's. You want to believe that a guy with less money, a significantly smaller following, and far fewer accolades is somehow the more popular one? This reminds me of that video where McGregor straight up lied to Ronaldo by saying he was number 15 on the Forbes list when he's really at 85 :lol1:

Obviously it's a big difference because Canelo, Pacquaio and Oscar are also stars that's why. Star vs star = big money. Star vs Unknown = not as big money (outside a very few exceptions I.e Tyson-Mcneely, Mayweather-Ortiz, etc etc What are Canelo, Pacquaio and Oscar's numbers without Floyd? No where near as good. Floyd Mayweather is the common denominator here. There has only ever been 3 fights that have reached 2 million or more, Floyd Mayweather was in all of them. Why do you think that is? It's irrelvant if they want to see him lose or they want to see him win the fact is they know him and they're paying to watch him. Most people wanted to see Ali lose in the 60's it doesn't change the fact he's by far the most popular fighter of that decade. When McGregor fought a nobody he still did 1.5 million buys :lol1: Yet Floyd gets a pass, why?

I've already explained this to you. McGregor is an active fighter while Floyd has been retired for nearly 2 years, that is why McGregor gets more interaction on social media. But the numbers don't lie, Floyd has a much bigger social media following on every single platform. Also you are wrong about who has been trending more as of late. The past few days the name Floyd Mayweather Jr. was trending on Facebook not McGregor even though the talk has been about the both of them fighting. And Floyd did over one million buys with the likes of Victor Ortiz and Shane Mosley. If you add up Mayweather's last 5 fights and McGregors last five fights Mayweather's numbers still exceed McGregors by nearly 2 million buys. I get that you're a McGregor fan but stop being so biased! You haven't explained anything. you say he has higher numbers of followers. But how come he has 5million more followers than McGregor on instagram, yet only gets 22k likes on his last photo? or 17k on the one before that? Show me one single athlete with 14 million followers that gets that little interaction. McGregor uploads a picture of freaking grass on a field and still easily cracks 500k in 30 minutes. Explain that to me. I'm not being biased, i'm being a realist. You guys are insecure that an MMA fighter is more popular than Floyd Mayweather :lol1: That's freaking sad to see. Grown men going into super defense because of some insecurity with the growth of MMA. I mean, Dan is trying so say McGregor has only been big for a year :lol1:

"The proof is in the pudding" :lol1: "Mayweather buys his followers" is a completely baseless claim that you can't back up at all. Mayweather buys his followers? Ok. I say McGregor has made 20 million fake accounts and liked his own photos. We can all make baseless claims. Mayweather has more followers on every single platform. That's a fact. He's sold way more PPV. That's a fact. You say "McGregor is rivalling his gates" when he's not to be honest but even if he was "rivalling" them they're still less. I mean, you seriously just said "Mayweather is not super popular to Boxing fans" are you actually for real? Do you actually believe that? The highest PPV seller in the history of boxing who holds the #1, #2 and #3 highest selling fights in the history of the sport isn't popular in boxing. Right... Mayweather turned up to Badou Jack-James Degale press conference the other day and the media turned up in herds. Like Eddie Hearn said "it's as if he's fighting the way people have turned out" If you believe what you're saying you're absolutely deluded. McGregor did a 20+ million gate in his last fight. So no, they aren't just rivalling, they beat every gate he ever did except for the Pacquiao fight. PPVs in America is not a sign on international popularity. That's a stretch to say the least. Well my claims actually make sense. I'm just asking you to find another athlete with 14 million followers who only gets 30k likes on photos? Just find me one single athlete. Just because he sells some PPVs doesn't mean him on his own is popular as we saw against Berto for example. He sells a lot becaue people want to see him lose. Does that mean he's popular? No it doesn't. It means the opposite :lol1: McGregor's popularity is clearly a lot bigger than Floyd Mayweather's. No question about it.