Ward could of been great if he had a good trainer

He is a spoofer, almost cost ward the fight against kovalev trying to get him have a big round when he had him figured out he got back into it last 2 , similar story to Khan algeiri fight too. Never done it himself young may weather is right about him

Woah he barely beat froch with clinches and dirty left hooks , knocked out a weight drained Dawson and got a gift in a fight he got dropped and outlanded and he's first ballot for you?? Smh he has a lot of flaws, had the potential to be a atg but couldn't achieve it with a limited trainer. I know it doesn't fit your agenda but Ward is already an ATG and will be a HOFer. Better get used to the idea.

Hunter has been the perfect trainer for him, it's a right hand that Ward is missing, that's about it.

Since you are so versed in who is a Floydiot and who is not. Then show me post by the Floydiots who said they thought Ward lost and that they think Virgil is a sh1tty trainer prior to their God Floyd saying it first. If you can find those post by the Floydiots saying it before their God Floyd saying then I'll meet up with you and suck your d1ck. I'm on my phone so searching through to find posts is a difficult task but off the top of my head both The Big Dunn and Kagami Taiga (prominent Floyd fans) scored the fight for Kovalev and they posted this many times before the Floyd article came out. I never mentioned anything about any Floyd fans saying Virgil is a bad trainer, that is complete nonsense from Floyd in my personal opinion.

Maybe so for some of them idiots too. But you have to admit there is Floydiots too who praised Ward and his victory over Kovalev are now changing there tune now that there God Floyd has spoken. I have seen no such example of anyone changing their opinion because of what Floyd said and I'm very familiar with who belongs to what fan club. Of course there are Ward fans who thought he lost the fight BEFORE Floyd came out and said this but no one who did think he won is changing their tune to remain aligned with Floyd. They either say they disagree but Floyd is entitled to his opinion or they flat out avoid the subject.

Who's swearing by Floyds words now? I see it the other way around. Most everyone that praised Ward and preach his victory over Kovalev(who are mainly Floydiots) are now questioning it and saying they always thought Virgil was crap. Nothing of this sort was said about this until their God Floyd spoke and trashed both Ward and Virgil. Now they follow suit and trash and bash them. Go figure, typical Floydiots What?? If anything the diehard guys you speak of have avoided the topic, guys like Larry, pugilist, Kigali. The guys who agree with Floyd in this instance are the Pac stans and Golovkin fan club, I think you have your NSB fan base members mixed up.

The man hasn't lost a fight since 12 years old.. has one hotly contested battle with the boogeyman Kovalev and that alone is enough to warrant a coach change?? Without Hunter in the corner after round 2 Ward would've mentally collapsed. The man is also a father figure to Dre, hearing that voice keeps him focused. The people say he hasn't built any other stars from scratch.. ok, same could be said for Roach. "Look what he did with Khan and Berto.." well look at Emmanuel Steward ruined Jermain Taylor, does that mean Steward sucks? ..some fighters never mesh well with certain trainers. Ricky Hatton and Floyd Sr never worked whereas he did better with Joan Guzman due the style. Virgil is a guy that preaches patience and timing, Khan, Angelo and Berto are fighters that wanna be in the pocket trading shots. a style like Lamont Peterson, Cory Spinks and Chris Algieri is what fits Hunter's style. a coach would try to mold a fighter into his preferred style.

I stand corrected! I thought Hunter came in around 2012 but no matter as you state! The best of trainers often can't influence fighters who prefer "their way" and as long as they don't blame the trainer when their way fails it's all part of boxing. Ray

Hunter didn't develop Khan, he didn't manager or promote him. He was a hired hand and if Khan listened to him vs Garcia he had a chance to win. At the time he got stopped it was an even fight if I remember correctly. Hunter didn't tell him to stand in front of him! As for Canelo thats on him and his management. When the fighter wins it's the fighters victory when the loss comes it's on the trainer! :lame: Don't make Khan out to be anything but a good boxer void of power and an average chin. The way he ran from Algieri was embarrassing. Ray Roach trained Khan for the Garcia fight, that was their last fight together. Honestly no trainer could have helped Khan against Canelo...... that fight was only ever ending one way!

i hate when people say ward would have been great even without virgil.. the guys a no doubt HOFer.. because virgil taught him everything he knows if fat billy from newyork taught ward he might have been a bum

Hunter didn't develop Khan, he didn't manager or promote him. He was a hired hand and if Khan listened to him vs Garcia he had a chance to win. At the time he got stopped it was an even fight if I remember correctly. Hunter didn't tell him to stand in front of him! As for Canelo thats on him and his management. When the fighter wins it's the fighters victory when the loss comes it's on the trainer! :lame: Don't make Khan out to be anything but a good boxer void of power and an average chin. The way he ran from Algieri was embarrassing. Ray

It's funny how these guys that detest Floyd and go against anything he says are suddenly willing to swear on a bloody cross by anything he said now. Virgil has had Ward from day 1 and look how successful they've been, literally done it all in boxing: Olympic gold, unified 168, unified 175. It is extremely rare that one trainer can take a guy as far as Ward has gone with Virgil.

When your God Floyd spoke you MFing sheep bow down and eat his sh1t up. Funny you say this now after Floyd said what he said. But you had no clue before hand Before you were sucking off Ward and praising his victory over Kovalev. Praising ward?? I been telling people he lost since that fight, you got me confused I've been saying Virgil was bad since he sent khan in to get ko'd .

Ward is great. Undefeated two weight world champion who has fought and beat the best in both divisions. What is going on with this site these days? Appreciate these fighters while we still have them.

My resume is in the words I write! If you knew what I know you would know I know what I'k talking about......hahahaha.....:trink26: "No one said he's not elite"....so he is ELITE? If your elite in any particular era than your a great fighter "in that era"! Floyd is a great fighter in his era too! In the history of boxing both of them are NOT top tier talents. Your discussion deals with Hunter not being well rounded enough for Ward. I'm saying their record is outstanding! Better than Floyds actually if your just looking at stats! As for me I've been around a few boxing corners, taught at my own gym, Olympic Training Center and was a Region One Coach for many years. A state boxing chairman and trained state, regional and national champions. If you want to look in the Training Section or Thunderdome about 3 or 4 months ago there are few Sports Articles from Newspapers posted there. I earned a living in the sport, where do you earn your money? Ray

Lets take a good look at this boxing team (fighter & trainer) USA Amateur Champion at Middleweight (165) USA Amateur Champion at Light Heavyweight (178) World Olympic Gold Medalists at Light Heavyweight (178) Pro World Champion (168) Pro World Champion (175) They haven't been defeated in 20 Years of competition at the highest levels! Yet some kid who has trained (no one, zero people, not a pup) Comes on a boxing forum to state that Virgil Hunter has no business training Andre Ward. Really? What do you (ak) know about advise in between rounds to begin with? Do you train competitive boxers? Do you box competitively? Do you work in fight corners? How many fighters seek you out for advice's? Pretty silly stuff here, a boxing fan who knows more than a trainer who has successfully trained one of the most accomplished boxer in the past 20 years! Ray. No one said he's not elite you dope I said he has potential to be great like a Floyd but he's style is jab and grab he's limited and can't sell ppvs to save his life, cant avoid knockdowns either apparently, he retires today no one remembers him a few years from now. And who are you always questioning what people know, you don't know me or anyone here to say some kid on a forum, what have you specifically done I never heard of you where's your resume??

Lets take a good look at this boxing team (fighter & trainer) USA Amateur Champion at Middleweight (165) USA Amateur Champion at Light Heavyweight (178) World Olympic Gold Medalists at Light Heavyweight (178) Pro World Champion (168) Pro World Champion (175) They haven't been defeated in 20 Years of competition at the highest levels! Yet some kid who has trained (no one, zero people, not a pup) Comes on a boxing forum to state that Virgil Hunter has no business training Andre Ward. Really? What do you (ak) know about advise in between rounds to begin with? Do you train competitive boxers? Do you box competitively? Do you work in fight corners? How many fighters seek you out for advice's? Pretty silly stuff here, a boxing fan who knows more than a trainer who has successfully trained one of the most accomplished boxer in the past 20 years! Ray.

"likely 1st ballot HOF" There's no likely asterix needed. He will be first ballot or the HOF has no credibility. Ward beat Froch easily and by wide UD. Ward won every round even if the judges were trying to keep it looking as wide as it was. The real overrated trainers are Freddie Roach and Teddy Atlas. Atlas is in the same category as Virgil but Roach is one of the best offensive trainers in the history of the sport look at his track record and how many champions he's trained he's not overated at all.

^^^ lol, look at this miserable clown. Keep working your way through the stages of grief there So you agree he's a **** trainer keep accepting facts

"likely 1st ballot HOF" There's no likely asterix needed. He will be first ballot or the HOF has no credibility. Ward beat Froch easily and by wide UD. Ward won every round even if the judges were trying to keep it looking as wide as it was. The real overrated trainers are Freddie Roach and Teddy Atlas.