Been watching a lot of sugar and damn i think he would slice through mayweathers defence,what power he had and the angles he threw his punches at changing the angle of the punch when its half thrown with tremendous power,when sugar goes for the kill he does so with bad intentions and never gasses
Sugar ray tkos may rd 10
Leonard by decision. Would love to have seen how Floyd would have down against a Tommy Hearns though. We would have to see Floyd did down deep against someone like Hearns who is big and powerful.
Hearns was a very intimidating figure at 147 lbs, It's just not possible. I remember when Leonard finally agreed to fight him...I honestly felt bad for Leonard. Tommy just had too much arsenal. It took someone like Leonard who had great speed & good power, good Stamina & and a good boxing IQ to come out victorious. Some may say that Floyd has similar attributes. But the difference here is that Leonard was a bigger version of Floyd (he was a real Welterwgt & his best accomplishments were at 147 lbs). And although Leonard won, look at the price he paid for the victory, he really needed to dig deep for it.
ray leonard would be on another level ffrom floyd mayweather. he had great boxing skills, an awesome chin, and real power.
the biggest component is size. leonard was 5'10, had the reach of an LHW, and had power and a chin that carried all the way to 160 lbs. floyd started out his career at 130 lbs. leonard started out his carrer at 140ish, and was at 147 lbs within a year.
Leonard by decision. Would love to have seen how Floyd would have down against a Tommy Hearns though. We would have to see Floyd did down deep against someone like Hearns who is big and powerful.
Leonard was my all time favorite fighter, bar none. His autograph to me when I met him was a picture of a glove with a smiley inside and his autograph in the middle which was great details for an autograph. I emailed him a couple times a few years back since I had his email address that I got from a common connection. He replied back both times. And he is still in great shape which is nice to see. I can tell you are a big fan by your username, obviously.
Richardt,
Sugar Ray Leonard was not my favorite fighter back then. My Favorites were Ali, M.Spinks, Benitez, Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Arguello, Mancini (he actaully trained in the same gym I did when he was in NYC), Howard Davis,Jr (I remember seeing him spar & actually never getting touch in practically 6 rounds of sparring. Amazing!). Leonard grew on me. He just kept fighting the best & beating them. Watching his fights live on tv were a thrill! To me it is the best way to honor a great legend of the sport by using his name. So if I wasn't a big fan of his back inner dayz, it shows how this athlete just won me over.
Listen up fellas, Mr Richard here is speaking gospel! Great post!
I'm Sugar Ray Leonard king of the fight, first come left then comes right, people say Sugar Ray he's such a pup but I prove 'em wrong, cause i'm moving up with 7up!
Gotta love that 7up commercial back inner dayz!Leonard was my all time favorite fighter, bar none. His autograph to me when I met him was a picture of a glove with a smiley inside and his autograph in the middle which was great details for an autograph. I emailed him a couple times a few years back since I had his email address that I got from a common connection. He replied back both times. And he is still in great shape which is nice to see. I can tell you are a big fan by your username, obviously.
noob alert. SRL has fought at catchweights.
But srl had already beat some amazing fighters and by the time of cw against lalonde.
Srl had to put coins in his pockets to make the weight. Lalo nfe was rfidicuklously bigger.
Floyd wanted cw against ,short, tyranosauras armed, green nelo??!! So Floyd needed cw to beat nelo, srl would stop fully hydrated nelo.
I disagree with p4p better. What does he do better than mayweather, power, combinations? Thats about it. Floyd has better defense, better timing, better countering, his career lasted longer, he moved up more weight classes, ect ect.
Better inside fighter, better range, better lateral movement, better jab & yes as you already indicated better combos, better finsher, too strong.
I disagree with p4p better. What does he do better than mayweather, power, combinations? Thats about it. Floyd has better defense, better timing, better countering, his career lasted longer, he moved up more weight classes, ect ect.
Offensively Ray Leonard is streets and streets ahead of Mayweather imo. He also has proven grit and ring iq at a elite level that Floyd never had due to his competition level. His adaptability is up there with the best of all time and he proved that by beating different ATG's using different styles and methods.
Skill for skill Mayweather may be better, but i think in the ring, p4p, Leonard is the better fighter.
Ray Leonard is P4P a better fighter, but also he is the bigger man too.
Floyd isnt going to match up well vs a lot of the great WW's for that reason.
Guys like Hearns, Leonard, SRR fought at way higher weights than WW as they got to the age Mayweather was weighing 147
I disagree with p4p better. What does he do better than mayweather, power, combinations? Thats about it. Floyd has better defense, better timing, better countering, his career lasted longer, he moved up more weight classes, ect ect.
Floyd never overcame adversity so I can't pick floyd. He needed cw to beat green Nelo?
Srl wouldn't. If flood had of beat ggg or any decent 160 I think just maybe it would be possible but floyd didn't want to know how good he could have been
noob alert. SRL has fought at catchweights.
Ray Leonard is P4P a better fighter, but also he is the bigger man too.
Floyd isnt going to match up well vs a lot of the great WW's for that reason.
Guys like Hearns, Leonard, SRR fought at way higher weights than WW as they got to the age Mayweather was weighing 147
Id pick SRL but I think Hearns is even a steeper challenge than SRL for floyd.
Anyways SRL sure as hell isnt stopping floyd, thats ridiculous.
Floyd is the superior fighter but SRL is naturally larger, his speed is great and on top of that he negates floyds usual reach advantage. Hearns is a tougher fight for floyd with his jab, reach and speed. Look at the rounds Floyd lost to Zab, cotto and DLH, all from the jab.
Floyd never overcame adversity so I can't pick floyd. He needed cw to beat green Nelo?
Srl wouldn't. If flood had of beat ggg or any decent 160 I think just maybe it would be possible but floyd didn't want to know how good he could have been
Inside fight - Leonard.
Leonard would go to war if and when the fight went inside. And he was not some wide clubbing slow inside fighter like Floyd has fought on the inside. On the inside, Leonard was precision and would win the inside exchanges when they fought inside in the middle of the ring, even if those were rare, since Leonard wouldnt walk Floyd back to the ropes and let Floyd try to counter there on the inside, he would keep it center ring.
Outside fight - Leonard.
On the outside, Leonard opens up combinations that would penetrate Floyd and punish him. Leonard, unlike any fighter Floyd fought would throw vicious uppercuts and catch Floyd in a blur. He could throw hard combinations, soft combinations, and single punches with serious power, a set of demensions Floyd did not have. Mosley and Judah and Corley stunned Floyd. Leonard hit harder and faster and had killer instinct and knew how to finish off a hurt or stunned fighter.
Listen up fellas, Mr Richard here is speaking gospel! Great post!
I'm Sugar Ray Leonard king of the fight, first come left then comes right, people say Sugar Ray he's such a pup but I prove 'em wrong, cause i'm moving up with 7up!
Gotta love that 7up commercial back inner dayz!
Hound,
Now you know i gotta go with me. Floyd without a doubt is the best fighter in his era. It has nothing to do with him being undefeated, but more to do with him beaten the best opposition that he was up against. With that being said & not to take anything away from him. Here is a measuring stick...Who did Floyd Beat that was better than Benitez, Duran, Hearns & Hagler?
On skills alone they matchup well;
Speed - sugar ray (floyd was much faster as at 130, 135, & 140)
Power - Sugar ray
Defense - Floyd (Leonard didn't have a bad defense, he was more an offensive boxer)
Stamina - Leonard
Combos - Leonard
Jab - even
Boxing IQ - even
Inside fight - Leonard.
Leonard would go to war if and when the fight went inside. And he was not some wide clubbing slow inside fighter like Floyd has fought on the inside. On the inside, Leonard was precision and would win the inside exchanges when they fought inside in the middle of the ring, even if those were rare, since Leonard wouldnt walk Floyd back to the ropes and let Floyd try to counter there on the inside, he would keep it center ring.
Outside fight - Leonard.
On the outside, Leonard opens up combinations that would penetrate Floyd and punish him. Leonard, unlike any fighter Floyd fought would throw vicious uppercuts and catch Floyd in a blur. He could throw hard combinations, soft combinations, and single punches with serious power, a set of demensions Floyd did not have. Mosley and Judah and Corley stunned Floyd. Leonard hit harder and faster and had killer instinct and knew how to finish off a hurt or stunned fighter.
There's a reason why SRL started at 147 while Floyd started at 130 and kept fighting there till his mid 20s, big size differential plus we've never seen Leonard in there against anyone like 28 year old Floyd Mayweather and vice versa so we can't really say.
Bear in mind that there was no drug testing in the 80s, everyone was on hardcore PEDs that r definitley banned today by all commissions, that's y the physiques of fighters from minimumweights to heavyweights looked like those of fictional characters and we saw many more 15 round wars with fighters never gassing out compared to now despite the advances in dieting and training techniques, so comparing untested fighters to tested fighters isn't valid.
Leonard was bigger, faster, stronger, and fought in the unquestionably greatest Welterweight era in boxing history. Floyd would not be blocking those 8-10 punch lightning combinations. Hearns would have decimated Floyd. Floyd would have been in a situation where nothing worked for him. Floyd never fights inside in the middle of the ring so when Hearns was landing those blinding setup jabs, Floyd could not have taken the fight inside so this would have been Hearns who was extremely fast using his rapid jab to outscore Floyd and then lowering the boom. Only one outcome, Floyd against the ropes taking a beating and then being dropped hard.
Agreed. Good post.