Can Freddie Roach save Ronda Rousey?

been saying this. she needs to go back to what she does best and stop trying to prove everyone wrong by standing and trade. now im not saying she would have been able to take nunes down and submit her but it would have worked out better for her if she went this route, she atleast had a 50/50 chance of being able to get the take down and get the submission. she had zero chance of winning standing and trade . the fact that she didnt even try for a take down. Exactly true. Well said

Roach may not be able save her from a losing streak, but she certainly could still make mega bucks. Just the publicity of teaming up with Roach would attract mega interest.

It's clear that Rousey doesn't have the reflexes for of pure striker and will always be beaten to the punch. Her last two fights proved it. If she would have taken Nunez straight to the ground and arm barred her then we would have not been talking about this. Fighters need to stick to their strengths. Whoever told her that she was a boxer or a striker was mistaken. Dumb move. Time for a new coach, and Roach cannot fix her reflexes.

There is nothing wrong with Ronda taking Floyd up on his offer to learn some things about the art of boxing. To Floyd's credit, he made the gesture in a very non threatening, casual way... he basically put aside any silly bantering and offered to be of assistance. Ronda could thank him for extending himself and there is no pressure, no contracts, just a situation where she could learn about boxing from one of the best. I think this is far superior than going to a coach, a guy like Roach, with expectations, with certain guidelines about how things are done that are not in line with Ronda's situation and as Juggs said: "Ronda's expectations." When I trained military guys in my dojo I learned a lot about how the special branches think about martial arts training. It is a myth that, for example, a Navy Seal goes to a martial arts teacher who teaches an officially approved way... In fact what happens is guys in the service who see action have an interest. They hear through reputation, usually anecdotally, about who has skills. This way has persisted since the inception of martial arts in this country post world war 11! If they like the training they go and recommend it to other guys in their cohort group. I mention this because even the highest professionals do not go to a japanese Blade teacher (for example) to learn how to use a knife! They go to compare, to up their game perhaps, to see what is out there, etc. Ronda is a professional. She does not need a coach anymore than my military students needed me to officially deconstruct all their training! Intelligent human beings seek knowledge and understanding about what they endevour to master. its as simple as that really! As some have said here, along with some of us who have had people we trained, to fundamentally alter someone is not a way to start a healthy training relationship. It usually adds to isolation and lofty expectations. Look at Ronda's coach, he cut her off from other training situations...she used to have Gene LeBell, and others constantly around her, sharing understanding.

And yes Gina Carano > Rousey in the looks department. Carano was so damn sexy. Rousey, however, is a naturally, classically pretty woman, and is certainly out of your league. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/6a/4d/f36a4d6990f16c36cf2fcdb6f13f9461.jpg Damn!!! Thats gina now???

I think she's broken mentally she took 2 heavy losses. It will hard to come back from that with any trainer.

She doesn't need to be saved. She needs to come to the conclusion that she isn't a boxer and play to her strengths

Thats the common mistake ppl think you need a famous trainer . Basic boxing is not a secret skill and a good trainer can help but they also need the fighter the myth a great trainer can turn anyone into a champion is bizarre bc you need the fighter to go with it . Having a smart coach and trainer in the physical work in MMA goes a longer way if they know the MMA game . A striking based fighter will get more out of Roachs teachings not a Judo one . Roach would literally need 2 years minimum to readjust her skills bc shes not a natural puncher . You dont think anyone read my previous post do you? lol I know you and Ray don't always see eye to eye, but I will tell you what I tell him regarding posts and reading them. If five intelligent individuals read it and benefit thats incredible. But at the very least, there will always be a few people who are willing to look at things intelligently and respond in kind. Ironic that Bruce Lee's real hatred was for the people who just accept at face value things about martial arts training. He also felt people were not listening.

Welcome the only guy that can save Rousey https://media.giphy.com/media/vRf4Z1OZ21j9e/giphy.gif

Ronda Rousey should go and train in Floyd Mayweather's gym! I also think it would be a great marketing move for her business wise aswell, a Blonde woman being mentored and trained by a gym full of brothers! This would widen her fan base and support considerably.... Which is something maybe she needs at this point in her career, as she seems to be a very sensitive woman in that department.

Maybe but she needs a striking coach that understands the MMA striking / grappling transitions bc MMA uses different distances and employs kicks and grappling . She needs someone that knows how to get her in those position to get the fight to the ground with minimal striking . Basic boxng is good but thats not her game , she needs a slick takedown trainer who can teach shoots from the outside to mix things up a bit and not rely solely on judo throws . Her striking isnt exactly the problem either its her defense and knowing when to get out of the pocket ....these are minor adjustments that could be the difference between getting your hand raised or not . Awesome post. its all about the distance, if one looks at the fight and reads this post one will understand exactly why things happened the way they did. I could not believe how out of position Ronda was, she was right in the sweet spot for a cracking shot at all times. She eventually broke down psychologically probably because she could not defend from that distance. She started to wave her arms and panic. Its about transitioning to her strengths, as said, getting out of the pocket and using distance properly. One thing I would teach her right away would be to use her back foot. Why square up to take a punch? Sure head movement helps a great deal, but by the time she was moving her head Amanda was moving it for her! Better to angle and shift weight back...put shoulder and an arm in front of you that the puncher has to move around, and giving you time to jab, backfist, or move. Juggs is absolutely right that ortho boxing does not address the full spectrum of transitioning into shoots and throws.

And yes Gina Carano > Rousey in the looks department. Carano was so damn sexy. Rousey, however, is a naturally, classically pretty woman, and is certainly out of your league. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/6a/4d/f36a4d6990f16c36cf2fcdb6f13f9461.jpg hate to break it to you, but that ain't her. this whole time you've been jerkin off to a look-a-like. this was confirmed on an MMA forum waaay back. someone tweeted the pic to Carano and she said it wasn't her and that she had a much smaller booty.

Holy shyte you're right! LOL - I've been thinking that was Carano for years now!! This is Carano, though, yes? https://schonheit.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/jaime_koeppe_011.jpg I know I thought so too lol. That pic is also Jaime I believe, notice the tramp stamp. Edit: Says Jaimeonline on the right, her ass is distracting.

When I looked on Google Maps, I learned that the boxing gym Ronda Rousey trains in (named Glendale Boxing Club) is just 20 minutes drive away from Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Just drive west on Los Feliz Boulevard until it turns into Western Ave. headed South. Then turn right on Hollywood Boulevard. Next, turn left on Vine. Keep going until you see Lexington. Shift to the right lane then enter the mall. If you find yourself on Santa Monica Boulevard, you just missed it. Take a U-turn somewhere than go back. Easy trip. What do you think? Ronda Rousey's biggest whole in her game is being cogent enough on her feet, to then get into position to let her judo take over. Freddie Roach is an offensive coach who seems to relish shootouts. Manny Pacquiao has his jumpy in/out style, but even that got Pacquiao ****ed up. If you honestly believe that Freddie has it in himself to teach Ronda how to defensively get inside of a striker (let alone use her own striking to set up her judo arsenal), that's on you. I have my doubts.

Always thought Roach was kinda overrated, only famous cuz of Pac.

And yes Gina Carano > Rousey in the looks department. Carano was so damn sexy. Rousey, however, is a naturally, classically pretty woman, and is certainly out of your league. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/6a/4d/f36a4d6990f16c36cf2fcdb6f13f9461.jpg That's not Gina, her ass isn't that big and well toned. It's Jaime Koeppe. https://naturalsportgym.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/jaime-koeppe-5.jpg

I honestly haven't seen less headmovement since I was in NY and saw the statue of liberty. Very surprised at all her movement. She was like hopping in the air too. Everything looked super weird and she lost before the bell rang I believe.

When I looked on Google Maps, I learned that the boxing gym Ronda Rousey trains in (named Glendale Boxing Club) is just 20 minutes drive away from Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Just drive west on Los Feliz Boulevard until it turns into Western Ave. headed South. Then turn right on Hollywood Boulevard. Next, turn left on Vine. Keep going until you see Lexington. Shift to the right lane then enter the mall. If you find yourself on Santa Monica Boulevard, you just missed it. Take a U-turn somewhere than go back. Easy trip. What do you think? Roach can definitely shave Rousey but the real question is, does Rousey want to be shaved?

She will always be horrible at stand-up offensively. She needs to focus totally on avoiding damage in that situation, while also learning how to shoot in and get her opponent off their feet preferably with single and double leg take downs. She should never throw a punch or kick in anger except as a total last resort, and should probably knee or elbow instead of throwing a regular kick or punch. So no Roach would only make her worse because she would be training to throw punches not avoid them, to get her opponent on the ground where she needs them to be effective. That is all theoretical though because I don't think she could accomplish that if she had the greatest stand-up defensive and wrestling coach in history. Because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

roach can teach anyone how to throw hands but the thing is if you're as old as Ronda your arms already have muscle memory of how you throw punches and it would take a lot of discipline and practice to change that.