All ex-Soviet fighters just had some luck, they weren't supposed to be in pro boxing

Because probably more than 70% of boxing talent pool in ex-Soviet countries doesn't even turn pro. They're not able to. So how some of you guys talk that we take over the boxing if it's less than the half of our talents in pros? Provodnikov and Kovalev were saying the same thing in their interviews, American promoters are not willing to sign these "Russians" and develop their careers. They know these "robots" (that's how you call us, since the Cold War you got used to this stereotype of emotionless "soviets" who you probably never met, these emigrants in States doesn't count) doesn't bring any money and can't attract fans Look at Beterbiev, he became Al Haymon's bodyguard. His career won't be going nowhere And there's a lot of amazing amateur talents here but they don't turn pro because they're not getting good offers from promoters who's not interested Golovkin, Kovalev, Lomachenko and even Klitschko, they're all got luck at some points of their careers and they weren't supposed to make any noise in the boxing world in the first place Klitschko developed their careers in Europe, same with Golovkin. Kovalev was fighting for free for half of his pro career, he said that american promoters were refusing to sign him because "they already had some russian fighters under their wings" so he was thinking about leaving pro boxing Lomachenko got signed just because of his exceptional amateur record and that's why he got in the position where he could get a good contract and possibility to demand a title shoot from Bob Arum as soon as possible I just don't like this nationalist agenda

Comments (16)

buckfuddy

Such a stupid thread. Amateurs boxing has no money in it in US, and ex-soviet governments are willing to pay their amateur boxers (and in russia case even juice them up) to give dem people at least something to be proud of. Sad but true.

9y ago

betmen

why not try make it big in mother russia?? you complain about nationalist agenda, i think is very logical if u.s promotor or american fans support their own countrymen instead of foreigner. boxing is a sport and sport is usually very nationalist/race/tribal thing. and is justified since american pro boxer talent roster itself is still the best in the world, they maybe got steamrolled in the amateur lately but with how good american boxing environment is those weaker amateur talents can still develop to be great boxers in the pro level.

9y ago

PK3434

The talent pool is deep and many never turn pro but Golovkin in particular, has opened up a lot of doors in that regard. Every promoter is signing guys from that part of the world, looking to find the next Golovkin.

9y ago

1hourRun

Well, I'm giving these American fighters a shot, despite the fact that there's way more of them got caught taking drugs, so you probably will have to try that Since you mentioned Lomachenko and Usyk, I suspect that according to you, Ukraine was sponsoring some drug programs as well? I guess the country is wealthy enough to pull off something like that. Or that **** with blaming Ukraine fighters for that is just your another assumption based off the "revelations" about Russia? You're right I was being stupid again. I thought they where the same country...dont they speak Russian? I woulnt know they all sound the same...Americani-Eh...Estupid...Eh...I lives here....I figh Mexican style...de white peoplz in Americaaz no support Ukra-in box...only Mexican hlpz us in Uuuuusa.

9y ago

g27region

You're absolutely right! what was I thinking. Forgive me.....you see when your own government encourages you to be a cheat its hard not to suspect....I'll try to give these guys a shot. Well, I'm giving these American fighters a shot, despite the fact that there's way more of them got caught taking drugs, so you probably will have to try that Since you mentioned Lomachenko and Usyk, I suspect that according to you, Ukraine was sponsoring some drug programs as well? I guess the country is wealthy enough to pull off something like that. Or that **** with blaming Ukraine fighters for that is just your another assumption based off the "revelations" about Russia?

9y ago

1hourRun

Since they're so awesome..let them stay in their own Country and get coached by their own...since they're so awesome. Why would they need us inferior Americans? You're absolutely right! what was I thinking. You suspect and it's based off recent "revelations" (I don't even want to talk about politic stuff behind it - all big countries got caught with it at different points) and "since they were so good in Olympics, they're probably taking drugs" logic (well, if your last gold winner was 12 years ago somebody is supposed to win these prominent tournaments, I guess) Even considering that, all these fighters you've mentioned getting tested in America at the end of the day See, you even admit in your own message that it's just your assumption, you suspect it which means it's not the actual fact I don't suspect anything, I state facts and it's a fact that Tyson was juicing - he said it himself, same with Shane Mosley - he admitted he was taking steroids. The list goes on That's the difference Forgive me.....you see when your own government encourages you to be a cheat its hard not to suspect....I'll try to give these guys a shot.

9y ago

g27region

Well...like you said in your initial post there are no professional Eastern-Euro boxers so by default American and other countries including GB would automatically have a higher count...in addition it think bringing up the armature system is relevant : guys like Usyk,Loma,Kovalev all participated in them and won prominent prominent tournaments propelling their careers with favor into the pros as many of them get world title fights in their first few professional bouts and I suspect they might of been doping based off recent revelations ; exposing the Russian. You suspect and it's based off recent "revelations" (I don't even want to talk about politic stuff behind it - all big countries got caught with it at different points) and "since they were so good in Olympics, they're probably taking drugs" logic (well, if your last gold winner was 12 years ago somebody is supposed to win these prominent tournaments, I guess) Even considering that, all these fighters you've mentioned getting tested in America at the end of the day See, you even admit in your own message that it's just your assumption, you suspect it which means it's not the actual fact I don't suspect anything, I state facts and it's a fact that Tyson was juicing - he said it himself, same with Shane Mosley - he admitted he was taking steroids. The list goes on That's the difference

9y ago

1hourRun

Ha ha, wait We talk about pro boxing now You're bringing up government-sponsored programs and all that **** to the conversation about pro boxing Most of these Russian fighters boxing in America So Russian government helps these Russian pro boxers to get away with cheating in States, and your fighters couldn't get away with same **** in your own country? Okay Well...like you said in your initial post there are no professional Eastern-Euro boxers so by default American and other countries including GB would automatically have a higher count...in addition it think bringing up the armature system is relevant : guys like Usyk,Loma,Kovalev all participated in them and won prominent tournaments propelling their careers with favor into the pros as many of them get world title fights in their first few professional bouts and I suspect they might of been doping based off recent revelations ; exposing the Russian.

9y ago

g27region

Well that's not fair considering our government did not fund programs intended to bypass drugs testing or gave our athletes c***tails for performance-enhancing drugs like the Russians...Imagine everything we could got away with...shame. Ha ha, wait We talk about pro boxing now You're bringing up government-sponsored programs and all that **** to the conversation about pro boxing Most of these Russian fighters boxing in America So Russian government helps these Russian pro boxers to get away with cheating in States, and your fighters couldn't get away with same **** in your own country? Okay Like I've said, for every Russian drug user like Roy Jones, you have Holyfield, James Toney or even Tyson

9y ago

1hourRun

Here's the offer for you, for every Russian boxer who got caught cheating you can name, I'll name American fighter who's juicing as well, and the person who won't be able to continue is going to give all points to the winner. Don't back down You can start with Russian boxers and name Roy Jones Jr. first Well that's not fair considering our government did not fund programs intended to bypass drugs testing or gave our athletes c***tails for performance-enhancing drugs like the Russians...Imagine everything we could got away with...shame.

9y ago

communism allowed sooo many russian boxers to join murikkkan sports

9y ago

g27region

Lets just hope they stop taking drugs and come to the land of the free home of the brave and get schooled by American coaches....and learn to speak English (properly ) and like OP mentioned develop some charisma. Here's the offer for you, for every Russian boxer who got caught cheating you can name, I'll name American fighter who's juicing as well, and the person who won't be able to continue is going to give all points to the winner. Don't back down You can start with Russian boxers and name Roy Jones Jr. first

9y ago

rocky 4 was made cause russians were known not to have heavy fists totally random

9y ago

1hourRun

9y ago

Buratina

Totally agree. Kovalev had a ton of luck multiple times to be where he is now. Hundreds of other russians did not have that luck. But this can be easily explained - professional boxing is not a sport but a show business. If a boxer doesn't have a fanbase (russian boxers do not have that much fans - boxing is not that popular in Russia, but it's growing). And this small fanbase do not purchase PPV ;)

9y ago

MDPopescu

The "ex-Soviet boxing school" was amateur-oriented... ... There were some "good products" of that school who previously turned pro and did well enough -- such as Kostia Tsyiu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Dimitry Pirog, a.s.o... but they weren't U.S. based...

9y ago