Manny Pacquiao's best performance and the peak of his career was against Miguel Cotto

Some boxer even said that it was impossible for pac to beat cotto. it was an unbelievable performance by pac

I thought he looked even better against Diaz and Hatton.He never was a true welterweight and his natural best fighting weight might be 135 and certainly no higher than 140. He fought at 147 so much because of the bigger money fights. He looked great in the Cotto fight for sure. I think the sweet spot for him would have probably been 140lbs, but like you said, the money was at 147

Roach became Cotto's trainer around 4 years after the Cotto-Pacquaio fight. I know for sure Beristain didn't want the fight but Golden Boy had pushed for it. You can even see Gomez whispering in Marquez' ear to call Floyd out after the Diaz fight. At that time Marquez was pissed at GBP. They'd promised him the big fights and money yet he'd only cracked over $1m (barely) for Barrera and Pacquaio II. They even paid Berto more on the undercard to Mqrquez-Katsidis. Marquez only really wanted to fight Pacquaio and was already thinking retirement. Me and some of my friends were with him in his hotel suite the day before the Diaz fight. Marquez at that time was a small lightweight who'd not long since been a featherweight at age 33. It was a cherry pick by Floyd and an act of desperation for GBP to keep Marquez happy. Pacquaio-Cotto was a far more legitimate match-up and I'd say the 1 pound Cotto had shed from his previous fight made far less difference than the two divisions Marquez all of a sudden moved up vs. an opponent who then refused to comply with the contract. Yes. The JMM fight was a clear show of force by Floyd. He knew Manny/JMM had been in very close fights and all he wanted to do was show the world how far apart he was from both guys by beating JMM, who was universally recognized as the 2nd best in the world during Floyd's "retirement". GBP definitely took advantage of JMM and offered him up. I can't prove this but I think the deal was Floyd wouldn't totally destroy him by KO. Floyd visibly took his foot off the gas after the 2nd round KD.

That is a childish way of looking at things. You really need to grow up and look at things as an adult. I didn't pick an choose anything. I asked a legitimate question that a rational, mature adult wouldn't get upset about. Why you got so upset and took it as a personal attack on your beloved Manny speaks volumes about where your emotional maturity is. JMM's trainer wasn't in Floyd's corner. I think you can argue that JMM's promoter did give Floyd all the advantages. Roach became Cotto's trainer around 4 years after the Cotto-Pacquaio fight. I know for sure Beristain didn't want the fight but Golden Boy had pushed for it. You can even see Gomez whispering in Marquez' ear to call Floyd out after the Diaz fight. At that time Marquez was pissed at GBP. They'd promised him the big fights and money yet he'd only cracked over $1m (barely) for Barrera and Pacquaio II. They even paid Berto more on the undercard to Mqrquez-Katsidis. Marquez only really wanted to fight Pacquaio and was already thinking retirement. Me and some of my friends were with him in his hotel suite the day before the Diaz fight. Marquez at that time was a small lightweight who'd not long since been a featherweight at age 33. It was a cherry pick by Floyd and an act of desperation for GBP to keep Marquez happy. Pacquaio-Cotto was a far more legitimate match-up and I'd say the 1 pound Cotto had shed from his previous fight made far less difference than the two divisions Marquez all of a sudden moved up vs. an opponent who then refused to comply with the contract.

you can pick and choose when you want to use this excuse. if cotto was affected against pac, so was marquez against floyd. That is a childish way of looking at things. You really need to grow up and look at things as an adult. I didn't pick an choose anything. I asked a legitimate question that a rational, mature adult wouldn't get upset about. Why you got so upset and took it as a personal attack on your beloved Manny speaks volumes about where your emotional maturity is. JMM's trainer wasn't in Floyd's corner. I think you can argue that JMM's promoter did give Floyd all the advantages.

Huh? I don't understand what you mean by this. You are going to try and parse out the bold that part and pretend its the same thing as hugh grant using the term "cheating on the scales"? Holy sh-t you are f-cking retarded. you can pick and choose when you want to use this excuse. if cotto was affected against pac, so was marquez against floyd.

cheating on the scales is just something butt hurt NSB floyd fans made up. Huh? I don't understand what you mean by this. You are going to try and parse out the bold that part and pretend its the same thing as hugh grant using the term "cheating on the scales"? Holy sh-t you are f-cking retarded.

Great performance by Manny but you have to wonder how his trainer being in his opponents corner, the 145 pound catchweight and the fact his promoter set things up to give his opponent all the advantages affected Cotto in this fight. cheating on the scales is just something butt hurt NSB floyd fans made up.

I don’t think the 145 was such a huge deal given that Cotto had already filled out and grown into the division and looked very comfortable at 146 the fight prior. He was 29,30 in the Pacquaio fight. I thought he was devastating that night and I’d have picked him to beat any Welterweight at that time. I do suspect him of PEDs but to point to “he didn’t KO anyone else” is a bit lazy. Clottey has an iron chin and came to survive, Mosley came only to survive, Margarito was much bigger than him and iron chinned, nobody ever KO’d Marquez or Bradley and by the time of the Rios and Algieri fights he was already well on the downside having been brutally KO’d and having that style of fighting into his mid 30s.

I said Put on the spotlight. As in the public is now officially aware of failed negotiations over drug testing. So since 2011 lol at put on the spotlight. didnt do random testing until 2014, last ko was in 2009. so pac stopping lucas, was he back on the peds again? :rofl:

Great fight to watch and an excellent performance. Two of my favourites at the time. Just 18 months prior Pacquiao was stepping up in weight to face Diaz, then that run of Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito started. It was a fun time.

Great performance by Manny but you have to wonder how his trainer being in his opponents corner, the 145 pound catchweight and the fact his promoter set things up to give his opponent all the advantages affected Cotto in this fight.

he didnt do random test until 2014. his last ko was in 09. try again. I said Put on the spotlight. As in the public is now officially aware of failed negotiations over drug testing. So since 2011

Unfortunately Pacquiao never looked the same once being put on the spotlight for drug testing. Once he started to comply with random blood testing - he stopped getting stops. Output decreased dramatically. Losing decisions. Getting KOed. Meanwhile Floyd was participating in OST testing through USADA and was still able to dominate Canelo. Impressive. he didnt do random test until 2014. his last ko was in 09. try again.

Unfortunately Pacquiao never looked the same once being put on the spotlight for drug testing. Once he started to comply with random blood testing - he stopped getting stops. Output decreased dramatically. Losing decisions. Getting KOed. Meanwhile Floyd was participating in OST testing through USADA and was still able to dominate Canelo. Impressive.

Yeah, you're probably right. In terms of his career Oscar was probably the king-making performance, but considering that Cotto was a) an elite fighter who'll probably go on to be 1st ballot HOF, b) a much bigger guy who'd go on to be champion at MW, and c) in his physical prime, the way he broke him down was incredibly impressive.

Pac in his prime was unbelievable. Yeah no question. Rare

i actually attended both hatton and cotto fights....pac was very impressive against cotto....that was prob peak pac....but pac also got banged up in that fight pretty good too

He looked unstoppable against Cotto Oscar and Hatton. Three HOF fights and he dominated all of them. When the PacMan was on it was a sight to behold. Lucky for us he was/is a star in our generation.

Holeeyyy Shlt... Would you look at that... Hectari on Pacquiao's nuts. Hectari is one of Pacquaio's biggest fans. He not so subtly picks against him so he can say how amazing he is when he beats them.