Prime Fernando Vargas vs Prime Canelo at JMW who wins.

best post you've given. hands down hey, i'll take it lol :boxing:

vargas...busy, accurate good power....he outworks canelo. Vargas took shots very well before he faced tito....was never the same after the losses to ODLh and TITO I just cant see Canelo going tit for tat with guys like Quartey, winky wright, mosley, trinidad and oscar...most if not all these fights Vargas wasnt even 25 yet Canelo fights in spurts and that lame rope a dope he does will have him get worked over on the ropes. He doesnt have the power to keep him off or the angles to outmanuver ElFeroz i dont see many explanations for those picking canelo though best post you've given. hands down

vargas...busy, accurate good power....he outworks canelo. Vargas took shots very well before he faced tito....was never the same after the losses to ODLh and TITO I just cant see Canelo going tit for tat with guys like Quartey, winky wright, mosley, trinidad and oscar...most if not all these fights Vargas wasnt even 25 yet Canelo fights in spurts and that lame rope a dope he does will have him get worked over on the ropes. He doesnt have the power to keep him off or the angles to outmanuver ElFeroz i dont see many explanations for those picking canelo though

bump and vote.

Canelo making a strong comeback in the poll. WTF

El Feroz in 10

Vargas might have beaten Tito if it wasn't for the old Puerto Rican Nutcracker Special.Vargas fought every bit as dirty as Trinidad did. Vargas landed low blows himself and pulled Trinidad's right arm while he landed his own vicious left hook. That's a foul known as holding and hitting and Vargas did that all fight. Vargas was good but Trinidad was better and would have won every time.

Im impressed with the general level of analysis on this thread for both guys. Vargas has always been a gilded lilly, and the question for me has been is that by necessity? in other words, Vargas came into the ring a brawler with decent instincts and decent power. They really were deliberate in trying to get him to develop as a boxer who could punch, but he aways went back to what made him who he was when the shiat hit the fan. No one can question his heart but every man has a point and Nando seemed to tempt fate in that respect. it caught up with him regarding oscar and Tito. The thing about Canelo is that as a puncher he is good enough to, slow feet and all, beat a guy like Trout and Hamed, both of whom are mobile guys. It all comes down to if one believes the ferocious heart of the Aztec warrior would punch through Canelo's manipulations, or whether Canelo's polish would allow him to trp and catch the ferocious one.

A 175-180 pound Canelo got straight bullied by 150 soaking wet Floyd, and was getting his ears boxed off by a c class fighter in Khan, how does he stop Vargas from coming forward, or out boxing him Vargas chooses, not to mention off punch activity Vargas would be all wrong for Canelo pretty potshotting conservative styleCanelo never weighed close to 180 pounds when he fought Mayweather or any other time either. That would be a weight gain of 28 pounds in 30 hours and that is physically impossible. If it were possible for Canelo to weigh 180 on fight night he would be bloated and look as if he swallowed a watermelon whole. It would harm him, not help him. You seem to have such a strong dislike for Canelo that you are making stuff up. There is no record of Canelo ever weighing more than 172 on fight night.

Whoever says Canelo doesn't know shyt about boxing or analyzing tape, Vargas was the far superior fighter boxing or brawling, Canelo could barely separate himself from the trout's of the worldSo you are saying the majority who picked Canelo are wrong because they disagree with you and no other opinion but yours could possibly be correct. That is a narrow minded, conceited and arrogant statement. Give others a right to a different opinion than yours without saying they don't know shyt about boxing. It's a fantasy fight with no proven winner and no right or wrong answer.

I think that's a great close fight between two great fighters. I vote for Canelo because I think he is a slightly better, smarter and more complete boxer with a better chin.The fight would be too close for me to bet money on and it's near a 50/50 fight in my opinion.

crambled? You can't question Vargas' heart. He had heart, but the only downside is that at age 21 he already has to fight a Felix Trinidad. He had the skills of an HOF but at age 21 he was still mentally a prospect, not yet having to develop the mental toughness of a Prime fighter. Trinidad had his way on his ass in the first 3 rounds scoring knockdowns but with his heart he fought his way in before finally succumbing to the prime. That's not succumbing to deep wayters, that's just taking the L because at that point it was too much. I would imagine it would be a lot different had Dela Hoya or Trinidad fought a much more refined fighter if Vargas was 25/ He failed to keep compouser through hard fights,he had tons of heart no daubt

Vargas might have beaten Tito if it wasn't for the old Puerto Rican Nutcracker Special.

Canelo UD or Late TKO ,Varagas had discipline but in deep waters he crambled and that fight would be brutal and canelo would show cool head. Fero is good fight for Canelo

Vargas by late stoppage or wide UD.

I think Vargas's style is good for Canelo, Canelo is a counterpuncher by instinct who can counterpunch with single shots or in combinations, he's a very good combination puncher as well with very good punch selection and great technique, great head movment and tight defense too, I think if they stood in front of each others that Canelo would have a very good chance of beating Vargas because Canelo sets traps better, is a better counterpuncher and probably has a better chin as of right now. Canelo's biggest weaknesses are his slow foot movement, inability to cut off the ring against A level movers, taking portions of rounds off and stamina down the stretch, I don't know if Vargas can take advantage of these things, maybe he could show us a new way to beat Canelo, I really don't think he can against the current version of Canelo. Plus stop comparing what Floyd did against Canelo to what Vargas could do against him, there's only 1 Floyd Mayweather, Vargas is not comparable to Floyd, never was and never will be, neither on the inside nor on the outside, neither prime for prime nor prime for past prime.

Mayweather didn't run he bullied Canelo in his shyt from round one as soon as the bell rung showing the last lil bit of pbf in the tank, cut that out.... Now fv vs Floyd would look like Floyd cotto, Floyd chino but worse, Vargas knew how to impose his will on fighters, dude has a prime winky win on his resume And bum ass Charlo are already bested Canelo best jmw win in trout, what has the kid really done yet but lose to Floyd, while ducking his whole division and ggg at the same time Nando was good at imposing his will on opponents. I get that you think because of this, if Mayweather could impose at his size, then Vargas would as well. The thing is Vargas is a lot easier to hit and doesn't operate like Mayweather. But Canelo's stamina being what it is, i could see a scenerio where Vargas backs him up and beats him up...could be. yeah Canelo, like most today does not fight the people he should, Vargas did. unfortunately he lost to two of them and Winkie was the closest thing to a mobile guy that he beat and was elite level. But...Canelo himself is not particularly mobile, he just is a very good puncher. It wouldn't suprise me if Vargas was good enough to stop Canelo, I just tend to thing, despite his comp and his stamina, the thing Canelo is good at is setting up so he gets punches off, and the kid can punch.

Mayweather and Kahn is a different fight entirely. How would Vargas have done against Mayweather? Not important, BUT... How can Vargas' wins indicate how he would do against Mayweather? I don't think they do...guys like Mayweather and Trout are mobile fighters, a punchers worse nightmare. My point is simply that Canelo's performance against these guys is not an indication of how he would do against nando. Kahn is a little different story, but has a lot more mobility than the guys Nando fought by comparison. Mayweather didn't run he bullied Canelo in his shyt from round one as soon as the bell rung showing the last lil bit of pbf in the tank, cut that out.... Now fv vs Floyd would look like Floyd cotto, Floyd chino but worse, Vargas knew how to impose his will on fighters, dude has a prime winky win on his resume And bum ass Charlo are already bested Canelo best jmw win in trout, what has the kid really done yet but lose to Floyd, while ducking his whole division and ggg at the same time

A 175-180 pound Canelo got straight bullied by 150 soaking wet Floyd, and was getting his ears boxed off by a c class fighter in Khan, how does he stop Vargas from coming forward, or out boxing him Vargas chooses, not to mention off punch activity Vargas would be all wrong for Canelo pretty potshotting conservative style Mayweather and Kahn is a different fight entirely. How would Vargas have done against Mayweather? Not important, BUT... How can Vargas' wins indicate how he would do against Mayweather? I don't think they do...guys like Mayweather and Trout are mobile fighters, a punchers worse nightmare. My point is simply that Canelo's performance against these guys is not an indication of how he would do against nando. Kahn is a little different story, but has a lot more mobility than the guys Nando fought by comparison.

The only thing canelo has over Vargas is probably chin And I'm not too sure of his chin, Mayweather had him hurt numerous times, had him fouling to buy time....