Andre Ward..Certified hall of famer, and boarderline ATG..SOG!!

Speaking of eras alone, he's the best SMW of his era (The Super 6 era fighters), if he beats Kovalev again and follows it with Stevenson and unifying all titles, as well as getting The Ring title at 175 that makes him the best LHW of his time as well. When you are the best of your era and P4P fighters in your division, and beat the best of those divisions, and beat critically acclaimed fighters on a regular basis, then yes you should be considered an All Time Great. not top 20 -30, but definitely a spot in the top 50 P4P fighters of all time for Ward if he cleans out LHW His HW talks are way too ambitious and there are no "weak" enough HW title holders for a LHW who's not that big, can take on. He should bring it down a notch and look at Cruiserweight, WBC title holder Tony Bellew which would be cool because they almost fought in Creed, Denis Lebedev who holds IBF and WBA, or Olyksander Usyk WBO. He should target Bellew if he's still a champ after beating Kovalev and Stevenson

LOOOOL Green K for finding this!!! Ward isn't an ATG yet..... he needs a convincing win over Sergey in the rematch before I consider him for that. With all that was said about this first fight...lets look at the odds for the second fight when they come out. I would be willing to bet that Aundrey is favored considerably more. While many will debate who won that first fight, it sure looks like Aundrey is going into round thirteen with a commanding lead. I think the scores were correct and that Aundrey can dominate Kovolev next fight but I question how much this does for his legacy... Unfortunately:blackeye:

he's probably a hall of famer, but unles you're just talking about the 168 lbs divsiion he is nowhere near an all time great.

Yea, he might make the HoF but he isn't an ATG. He still has some work to do to achieve that. There are people in his division right now aside from Kovalev that I would give a good shot at beating him. He is a scrappy dude with heart, he is somewhat overated after that. I'll put it this way, put him on the ring with Roy Jones or Bob Foster or Archie Moore. Tell me how those fights go. Andre is a good fighter but he hasn't reached ATG status yet not to say he won't. Forget about Jones or Moore for now to be fair to Ward. Moore might have started with the same raw goods as a guy like Ward, but he started fighting earlier professionally, fought more often, and fought a long time... hence the legendary ring smarts. While there are things Ward can't do in the ring, there isn't much Moore couldn't beat you with...counter punch, power punch, activity, defensive tactics? and Arch still had a punch that could obliterate if you settled down... Think he has more KO's than any other fighter if memory serves correct. Jones had superhuman reflexes and speed...even an accurate, pedigree of a puncher like Toney, could be embarrased by Jones on the right night...There may be a time when retrospectively we look at Ward in the same light as those two, hes got some years ahead after all... But that will be another day. Toney was a lot more menacing than the Krusher imo. Foster is an interesting proposition. People think Kovalev is a murderous puncher...I beg to differ, he starts pawing and is inactive when he is challenged enough. And his activity rate plummets when his body is worked. Foster was a murderous puncher by comparison. If he went at Ward like he did the heavyweights he fought, it would be tough for Ward to take his punch. that would be an interesting fight if Ward makes it so he does not screw up like he did against the crusher! He got hit with that shot in the second round because he did not see the follow up punch intended by Kovolev after the right jab...Can't do that against guys like Foster. Ditto for Toney who also was accurate like Kovalev but more sustained in his attack and more varied in his midgame tactics...Toney could also counter you. That would have been a great fight actually, again...Toney beat up guys like Nun who were technically a level like Ward, and if Ward makes the mistake against Toney he pays more than with Kovolev, although the crusher is a good finisher and did a suprisingly good job of trying to finish Ward that round (I had to watch it again to realize this).

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For sure a hall of famer. Larry is this you in conversation with Doug Fischer on twitter? @dougiefischer @Tom************ My dick is hard just at the thought of the chance you beat yo queer looking ass— Larry (@larryx2010) November 22, 2016 LOOOOL Green K for finding this!!! Ward isn't an ATG yet..... he needs a convincing win over Sergey in the rematch before I consider him for that.

Can't disagree. :lol1: @ the twitter convo with Dougie.

He gets hate because his team writes wolf tickets that are never cashed and he has a fanbase full of people who want to give him credit for fights that never happen,...he himself seems like a good dude but he has never been challenged http://replygif.net/i/95.gif

According to you and others, he hasn't - and you said only fighters who challenge themselves get hate, so why does Golovkin get hate? Answer that honestly and I can tell you which fights I considered challenges for Golovkin, even though I know you will disagree. He gets hate because his team writes wolf tickets that are never cashed and he has a fanbase full of people who want to give him credit for fights that never happen,...he himself seems like a good dude but he has never been challenged

Yea, he might make the HoF but he isn't an ATG. He still has some work to do to achieve that. There are people in his division right now aside from Kovalev that I would give a good shot at beating him. He is a scrappy dude with heart, he is somewhat overated after that. I'll put it this way, put him on the ring with Roy Jones or Bob Foster or Archie Moore. Tell me how those fights go. Andre is a good fighter but he hasn't reached ATG status yet not to say he won't. Thank you. I was about to chime in but you touched on everything I was going to and more.

what challenges has he taken? According to you and others, he hasn't - and you said only fighters who challenge themselves get hate, so why does Golovkin get hate? Answer that honestly and I can tell you which fights I considered challenges for Golovkin, even though I know you will disagree.

For sure a hall of famer. Larry is this you in conversation with Doug Fischer on twitter? @dougiefischer @Tom************ My dick is hard just at the thought of the chance you beat yo queer looking ass— Larry (@larryx2010) November 22, 2016 lmfaooooooooo Larry reaching for greatness against a big name opponent in Dougie :hail::hail:

Certified Hall of famer. Definitely an ATG at 168lbs - anyone who denies that is not being realistic. He was by a country green mile the best 168lber in a very strong era at super middleweight. He would certainly be competitive against any 168lber in history, including Roy Jones, who I think is one of the few guys who beats Ward. At light heavyweight he is still a great fighter, but nowhere near what he was at 168lbs, he hasn't seemed to have carried the weight so well, he is slower and his lack of punching power is more of a hinderance at the higher weight. Although some of this could be attributed to him getting older and slipping as a fighter.

Andre Ward is a certified G and a bona fide stud and you can't teach that~ Larry X wants to rape Dougie Fischer and you can't teach that~

Then how would you explain Golovkin getting hate if you yourself insist on trying to convince us that he doesn't "challenge" himself? Which we also know truly means just that he won't move up (like it's some obligation). Don't worry, i'll wait. ;) what challenges has he taken?

Danny has a damn good resume...its seems those who challenge themselves get the most hate on here Then how would you explain Golovkin getting hate if you yourself insist on trying to convince us that he doesn't "challenge" himself? Which we also know truly means just that he won't move up (like it's some obligation). Don't worry, i'll wait. ;)

We are witnessing greatness... If had made this even two weeks ago, I would have came in here greened you and given this thread full support. The fact that you chose to do this days after a very controversial, close, close decision, tells me you are trolling and trolling hard. Comon larryx. This isn't like after some Floyd win of recent memory. Ward isn't going to get that kind of respect nor should he. He just isn't there yet and ONE CLOSE win over Kovalev suddenly doesn't take him over the top, just like Manny's wins over JMM weren't anything decisive either. This is literally like JMM/Pac in that you can't be taken seriously if you feel one is clearly better than the other off of the first fight alone.

LMAOOOOO Larry made Dough Fish ***** the hell up. He is ducking me hard