Comments Thread For: Groves Concerned With Gutknecht's Condition After Collapse

Surely a portion of the blame needs to go to his corner? There didn't really seem like a perfect opportunity for the ref to stop it but why his corner kept sending him out after round 9 when he was taking a pasting and not throwing anything back. Yes you're right, his corner have got to shoulder blame too. I was just getting a little too focused on Terry O'Connor. Lawrence Cole is the American version of Terry O'Connor. Both bad refs and corrupt as hell.

I certainly hope the guy gets well but unfortunately those are the risks in this great sport...

I certainly hope the guy gets well but unfortunately those are the risks in this great sport...

I wish him well, as do we all. But boxing is boxing. If he had NO chance of coming back into the fight, his corner should have thrown the towel.

There needs to be some kind of ruling for this. If you getting obviously beaten on the cards and are taking big shots with no comeback looking likely at all, the ref should come in and stop it. I hate how a lot of TKO's = you have to hit them fast and clean 8 times in a row. There's nothing wrong with stopping it after just one big shot.

terry o'connor is not typically a ref who allows beatdowns to go on and hasn't really shown any shyness in the past about making decisions the fans wouldn't like. it was just an oversight. as others have pointed out, there was never one clear moment in which the fight could have been stopped and i think the onus has to be on the corner to withdraw their man in between rounds in cases like this. however o'connor probably should've had a doctor look at gutknecht's eye, which could have allowed the doctor to notice something was up or given gutknecht the opportunity to quit with his pride intact I always think and it's probably not a popular opinion but the moment a fighters eye completely closes then the fight has to be done - you need to physically pull eye lids apart in these cases and if you still can't get at it - stop the fight. I've never seen doctor at a fight do this before as in physically try and open then eye probably for fear of causing trauma but that should be a sign too. Because if you can't see if both pupils are equal and reacting to light you can't really make a proper assessment about an increase in intracranial pressure. I've seen those doctors shine a light into one eye before. I love boxing but I'd stop a hell of fights even with my very basic neurological observations knowledge.

Fight should've been stopped after 8 or 9 rounds. I said this too. Awful corner. Gutneckt is not a puncher either it was negligent IMO.

terry o'connor is not typically a ref who allows beatdowns to go on and hasn't really shown any shyness in the past about making decisions the fans wouldn't like. it was just an oversight. as others have pointed out, there was never one clear moment in which the fight could have been stopped and i think the onus has to be on the corner to withdraw their man in between rounds in cases like this. however o'connor probably should've had a doctor look at gutknecht's eye, which could have allowed the doctor to notice something was up or given gutknecht the opportunity to quit with his pride intact I agree the main responsibility lies with the corner ,remember how hard some of the fans and so called experts experts came down on the Ingles over pulling out Kell Brook.I just think refs have the idea in the back of their mind the kind of backlash that occurs when they stop a fighter that might look more able from outside the ropes than they are.Even when you spar ,sometimes you see a guys eyes roll and you back off before anyone outside sees what's happening.

Bad refereeing comes in part with from the kind of fans who feel cheated if a guy isn't smashed into the ground,or think that a fighter is a coward if he doesn't have his brains turned to mush.Sometime we all forget were watching human beings in there. terry o'connor is not typically a ref who allows beatdowns to go on and hasn't really shown any shyness in the past about making decisions the fans wouldn't like. it was just an oversight. as others have pointed out, there was never one clear moment in which the fight could have been stopped and i think the onus has to be on the corner to withdraw their man in between rounds in cases like this. however o'connor probably should've had a doctor look at gutknecht's eye, which could have allowed the doctor to notice something was up or given gutknecht the opportunity to quit with his pride intact

Well done Terry O'Connor. Yet another entry of shame on his record. Everyone could see this fight should've been stopped around frame 9 or 10, yet he lets the guy take another 100 or so power shots. I'm still not convinced about Groves, though, I feel he's always going to be just shy of world title holder level - unless he gets a gimme - but nevertheless he's still going to be a tough fight for anyone at 168. Surely a portion of the blame needs to go to his corner? There didn't really seem like a perfect opportunity for the ref to stop it but why his corner kept sending him out after round 9 when he was taking a pasting and not throwing anything back.

Bad refereeing comes in part with from the kind of fans who feel cheated if a guy isn't smashed into the ground,or think that a fighter is a coward if he doesn't have his brains turned to mush.Sometime we all forget were watching human beings in there.

Maybe boxing needs to stop putting mediocre guys in there with high level guys . Maybe refs should stop one sided beatings sooner. yeah mismatches need to stop being sanctioned. if there's no competitive element, no real question of who will win, it's no longer a sport. there should be stricter guidelines for match-making. perhaps ranked contenders should only be allowed to face other ranked contenders

Maybe boxing needs to stop putting mediocre guys in there with high level guys . Maybe refs should stop one sided beatings sooner.

Well done Terry O'Connor. Yet another entry of shame on his record. Everyone could see this fight should've been stopped around frame 9 or 10, yet he lets the guy take another 100 or so power shots. I'm still not convinced about Groves, though, I feel he's always going to be just shy of world title holder level - unless he gets a gimme - but nevertheless he's still going to be a tough fight for anyone at 168.

The fight had that depressing Nick Blackwell-esque feeling when Gutknecht kept getting pummelled from corner to corner. :conf3:

Fight should've been stopped after 8 or 9 rounds. Agreed, though there wasn't really a point where Groves was bombarding him with shots so I can kind of see why it wasn't stopped. Groves was landing heavy shots though with not much coming back, sometimes having a granite chin is a bad thing as a lot of fighters would have been dropped and out instead of taking a sustained beating. Gutknecht's corner should have pulled him out by round 10 at the latest. That's why Amir Khan will walk away from boxing 100% healthy, he only ever takes one big shot per fight.

Fight should've been stopped after 8 or 9 rounds.