Sergio Martinez (Pavlik Fight Version) Beats Gennady Golovkin Twice on Sunday...

Also I love when people use the Brook fight as an example of why Golovkin would lose when Brook was battered and arguably won 2 rounds. You can't look at the technique and see where he had success? I have been saying for a long time that Golovkin is open for uppercuts and can't cut sharp angles and look what happened the first time someone integrated those thing into their strategy. Of course Book failed miserably because he's still not entirely proven and is a WW. If an actual MW with some power was doing it, it's not hard to see why it would be an issue for Golovkin. Not saying he's garbage, just doing some simple math here.

Also I love when people use the Brook fight as an example of why Golovkin would lose when Brook was battered and arguably won 2 rounds.

While Sergio beat some good names, he had success against the same type of fighter. Bigger and slower guys, a lot of which had concrete feet. None of his opponents were talented at cutting the ring off except for Pavlik and Pavlik was simply too slow. I don't really get it with Martinez. People love to say he would have beaten Cotto in his prime or he could best Golovkin. I just don't see it. He had too many technical flaws. The punch Cotto hurt Martinez with early was a feinted jab into a left hook. It had nothing to do with Martinez's legs. He was tricked by a superior boxer with short punches. It's not the same as being able to drop down and do 10 situps before Pavlik or Chavez landed a right hand. And it's not the same as Williams walking into punches. Look at his resume. Cintron, Macklin, etc. Just bigger, slower, less talented fighters.

Sergio with legs would be a big problem for Golokvin. The successes Brook had were mostly when he got off first and changed angles. That was Sergio's bread and butter, and he had far greater pop and timing than brook. Redd Foxx is right. I think the fight would be very competitive. I think it would get to the later rounds. Golovkin's walking forward would get him in trouble with Martinez's movement, and Martinez's hands down defense in the later rounds would get him in trouble. I think a Prime Sergio would have a 50-50 chance against Golovkin. Honestly though in the past 15 years I don't know a middleweight not named Bhop that I would pick over Golovkin outright though.....

Golovkin beats any version of Martinez. Sergio was good at the style he employed, but it wouldn't take too long for GGG to figure it out.

I seem to remember Martinez knocked down and voluntarily falling to his knees a couple of times toward the end of that fight. I think the closing rounds of GGG-Martinez would be very dramatic- beating him twice on Sunday wouldn't be a possibility Martinez does somethings naturally very well he reminds me a tiny bit of Roy Jones Jr he just clearly had the natural gift great reflexes and he knew how to box and move but he never fought anyone on the level of a GGG. Just take a look back to the time he fought Antonio Margarito that is how the Golovkin Vs. Martinez fight would play out but more onesided way more onesided and it would likely be over way before the 6th round. Sad that Martinez ducked GGG though it really is.

Martinez would test GGG chins seriously not like Brook,his Angles and movement was phoethry in his short prime,would be Hell of a fight,Pavlik vs GGG would be war too.****y MW era we have.

Sergio with legs would be a big problem for Golokvin. The successes Brook had were mostly when he got off first and changed angles. That was Sergio's bread and butter, and he had far greater pop and timing than brook. Brook has better fundamentals too. Keeps his hands up, guard is always consistent and gives the opponent way less openings to catch him. Doesn't over commit usually too, lands a one-two at most and pivots.

I don't. Sergio's knees were just gone after Chavez and it would have made no sense to fight a young lion with no name. It's akin to Pac fighting Crawford now, but even more extreme because Sergio was not healthy. Fighting Cotto was strictly a cash-out and I think many Golovkin fans are envious that Genady couldn't have been the one to snatch up that easy W (not saying you, but there are many). Would have been nice to see them fight pre-surgery though. I would have preferred for them to fight in their primes of course but even if Martinez was out of his prime, still would have been nice to see them fight. Martinez ended up fighting Murray in April 2013 and GGG ended up fighting Ishida March 2013, despite there being some rumbles about it even before the Chavez fight (when GGG made his American debut a few weeks before). Both Ishida and Murray were solid fighters but I'm sure we would've all preferred GGG-Martinez better.

I seem to remember Martinez knocked down and voluntarily falling to his knees a couple of times toward the end of that fight. I think the closing rounds of GGG-Martinez would be very dramatic- beating him twice on Sunday wouldn't be a possibility

Oh look another troll thread, nobody is falling for it. Simple discussion. Don't get butthurt....

I wish they fought back in 2013. I know GGG wanted it but Dibella said they weren't looking for it. I don't. Sergio's knees were just gone after Chavez and it would have made no sense to fight a young lion with no name. It's akin to Pac fighting Crawford now, but even more extreme because Sergio was not healthy. Fighting Cotto was strictly a cash-out and I think many Golovkin fans are envious that Genady couldn't have been the one to snatch up that easy W (not saying you, but there are many). Would have been nice to see them fight pre-surgery though.

That version of Martinez was amazing. His movement and angles were just ferocious. I understand GGG has power but no way he can deal with Martinez's movement and power for a full 12 rounds.... Oh look another troll thread, nobody is falling for it.

And I don't believe a fit and younger Martinez fights GGG on the move. He didn't fight Pavlik in the move, even when he was done against Chavez he didn't fight him on the move, Martinez has more ring IQ than that, don't let power fool you. 75% of Martinez's game was using his athletic legs. They are what made him special. GGG loves chasing guys down, cutting them off and wearing legs out. That is his game. Sure Martinez would have success early, but GGG would have got to him after a few rounds. GGG is awesome at cutting off space. IMO that is what has made him as good as he is as he is not exactly a speed demon.

I wish they fought back in 2013. I know GGG wanted it but Dibella said they weren't looking for it.

Ward would not fight GGG on the move as that would be a mistake. Ward can bully other fighters easily. If you want to beat GGG, get inside his power and give angles. And I don't believe a fit and younger Martinez fights GGG on the move. He didn't fight Pavlik in the move, even when he was done against Chavez he didn't fight him on the move, Martinez has more ring IQ than that, don't let power fool you.

Sergio with legs would be a big problem for Golokvin. The successes Brook had were mostly when he got off first and changed angles. That was Sergio's bread and butter, and he had far greater pop and timing than brook.

Sergio is my guy, but Pavlik didn't find him all that hard to catch and put down. The cut really turned that fight as well, which was close.

So if Ward fight GGG "on the move" he would be doomed? Ward would not fight GGG on the move as that would be a mistake. Ward can bully other fighters easily. If you want to beat GGG, get inside his power and give angles.

I guy like Martinez was tailor made for GGG. GGG would fold him like a chair. Fighting GGG on the move and you are doomed. The guy that beats GGG is one who can bully him back. So if Ward fight GGG "on the move" he would be doomed?