So in another thread i made,a lot of ppl think that Cotto is overrated and he is nobody,is it truth about Miguel? He done nothing in boxing?I said in my thread that he is not washed up ,and ppl started saying that his to Small well he can be Small and not washed up.How you rate him?
yeah lets congratulate ward for all them great fights over the years, brand and paul smith ones were epic battles that will live long in the memory
Did you expect him to fight Kov off of a 2 year layoff?
If he would have been a meth head, Shabu smoker and roid user he would of crushed Pacroid, also known as meth head lying manny.
Manny was blowing meth mushroom clouds.
Carakiou!
Like or hate Cotto, he fought the best of the best without avoiding anyone. All these top fighters ducking each other is a disgrace. Thank you to Andre Ward for giving us fans good fights and stepping up to the plate to at least challenge yourself with Kov. Canela and GG are two cowards who are scared to lose. Floyd avoided bigger fights in his career also. And Pac doesn't get a pass because he did it too.
He fought some of the best of his era, he won some and lost some. If I remember right he is a four division champion. Id call that a pretty good career. Ive always liked Cotto and its obvious he has his haters here. I truly wonder about this place sometimes and why I continue reading and posting here. There are people here who talk about world class fighters, who have reached the absolute pinnacle of their profession like they are bums who live on the street. There are very few actual boxing fans here, there are however a lot of professional haters.
HOF'er for me - very good fighter. Big wins, beat lots of champions, lots of very good champions. Obviously lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao, with extremely contrasting performances. I always thought he was in a bad place when he fought Pac, he hadn't quite recovered from Margarito yet, he had no corner, and he caught Pac on his best night.
Canelo - much closer on the cards than the judges had it.
But lots of very good wins - especially at 140-147.
N'dou
Bailey
Corley
Torres
Malignaggi
Quintana
Judah
Mosley
On an undefeated run, was no joke that is a hell of a run and some very good names there. 8 reigning, former/future world champions in there. That doesn't even include Maussa who obviously won a strap after his loss to Cotto.
He avenged the Margarito loss, and beat a faded Mayorga and Martinez. Beat Clottey (close fight) who was a monster at 147lbs.
He has a very solid resume and he literally fought everyone.
Killer jab, and left hook (head and body). Very good combination puncher, excellent at judging distance.
Saw a replay of one of his real early fights. Like from 2002 or 2003. He just wore down the other guy, he was that kind of fighter. Real physical and got after you quick.
Obviously now he boxes a lot more and he looks more cerebral. He takes his time when he's in there.
On his last leg now, but a great fighter, still a tough out for anyone.. but above 147 he isn't as powerful, really showed up in canelo fight when he landed n boxed beautifully but really could hurt canelo.. I don't like his chances vs young cats at 154 like Williams, charro, Andrade..
really like his chances if he could still make 147 vs guys like Thurman brook Bradley etc.. I would favor cotto over all of them..
Very skilled fighter behind the jab, good combinations, good footwork, good pop below 154...
Def a hall of famer, but best days behind him..
Gave me plenty of great fights over the years but Father Time catching up..
Would like to see him vs other older fighters like Bradley, maybe manny 2, Marquez... would have loved to seen cotto vs maidana..
Best fights for cotto is bringing big name welters up to 154.. I got no interest in seeing cotto fighting legit prime 154 or 160 guys
But this thread is also about Cotto whole carrere and ppl think that its not worth ****, whats your opinion on this ?
I think he had a really good career. Alot of good wins. He was great at 140 pretty good at 147 just to small for 154.
HOF'er for me - very good fighter. Big wins, beat lots of champions, lots of very good champions. Obviously lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao, with extremely contrasting performances. I always thought he was in a bad place when he fought Pac, he hadn't quite recovered from Margarito yet, he had no corner, and he caught Pac on his best night.
Canelo - much closer on the cards than the judges had it.
But lots of very good wins - especially at 140-147.
N'dou
Bailey
Corley
Torres
Malignaggi
Quintana
Judah
Mosley
On an undefeated run, was no joke that is a hell of a run and some very good names there. 8 reigning, former/future world champions in there. That doesn't even include Maussa who obviously won a strap after his loss to Cotto.
He avenged the Margarito loss, and beat a faded Mayorga and Martinez. Beat Clottey (close fight) who was a monster at 147lbs.
He has a very solid resume and he literally fought everyone.
Killer jab, and left hook (head and body). Very good combination puncher, excellent at judging distance.
Yuri Foreman came in with the same injury, same result. Did Cotto even get tagged in these bouts?
OMG I forgot all about that! LOL! That was held at Yankee Stadium too. Yeah but I don't think anyone holds Yuri Foreman very high. That was more of a bounce back fight for him after the Pacquiao bout.
Still got a belt out of it though.
Very good fighter when he was younger. Spoiled perhaps to a damaging level by his own loyal puerto rican fanbase as he aged.
I don't believe he's truly had any "comebacks". Beating a Sergio Martinez who could visibly barely walk and had to smuggle illegal knee braces under his parachute trunks wasn't a comeback. Beating a Daniel Geale who just got KTFO wasn't a comeback. Etc.
But his fanbase always guaranteed him some kind of payout/huge fight.
He's one of the best fighters of his generation, just not the best. He was also one of just a handful of fighters that could be considered a cash cow. As such, he has his fanatics who over rate him and his haters who would give their left nut for others to join them in bashing a future first ballot HOF.
I will say this, people criticize some of his latest behavior, but forget he was pretty much denied a chance at Floyd while undefeated, with good momentum, and in his peak after beating Mosley. His other option? Facing Margarito in a fight he now feels cheated, not only of the victory but his prime. After that for his next big break he faces a once in a lifetime fighter at an uncomfortable weight with virtually no trainer.
He was bitter and lacking options. He could have made excuses, but instead he started over compensating at the negotiating tables for his future fights.
Now people use that against him, but forget all the sacrifices he made in his career and all the entertainment he delivered.
He's a great fighter and he has my respect. Although, a lot of his antics and talks in regards to fighting Canelo were questionable, in the end he fought him and fought him well.
His loss to Margarito was the result of loaded wraps. Before he got stopped in that fight he was doing well. Plus he avenged the loss.
He had trouble making weight against Pacquiao and was drained.
Although he lost to Floyd, he fought him well and made it competitive in spots.
He really looked outclassed by Trout.
Like I said, fought Canelo well. Canelo was just the bigger, stronger man and it showed. He lost, but he wasn't outclassed.
Very good in his prime which is long gone.
The last few years under Roach have been a bit of a false dawn. He dined out on beating a shot to bits disabled Martinez and had some fights that made him look good. He can't beat young healthy very good fighters anymore, Trout showed that, Canelo too and any of the top fighters at 154 today will show it.
He's had a good career and will definitely make the HOF, but you have to be realistic...at almost 36 and after a lot of tough fights, he isn't going to get any better, he will probably decline quite rapidly from here i think.
Thats on point ,im talking about Cotto carrere as whole here ,i agree his HoFer .I have no words for ppl saying that he is most overrated boxers in 21 century
With the exception of not having much of a right hand and being susceptible to uppercuts throughout his career, I'd say he's a good all around fighter. Still has a lot left in him.
Very good in his prime which is long gone.
The last few years under Roach have been a bit of a false dawn. He dined out on beating a shot to bits disabled Martinez and had some fights that made him look good. He can't beat young healthy very good fighters anymore, Trout showed that, Canelo too and any of the top fighters at 154 today will show it.
He's had a good career and will definitely make the HOF, but you have to be realistic...at almost 36 and after a lot of tough fights, he isn't going to get any better, he will probably decline quite rapidly from here i think.