Who else can GGG fight for 10 million?

Nobody owes anybody a living, but everybody is entitled to a chance. -Jack Dempsey I don't blame anybody. Canelo is in a position to get nearly any fight he wants with whomever he wants and Golovkin isn't. I am merely saying he should just take the 10 mill and fight Canelo, beat him, and call the shots from here on out. He beats Canelo and the money will be there for guys like Eubank and BJS. You don't blame anyone on why the fight hasn't happened you say? I guess when you've tried to justify GGG should accept the flat fee, you are just going to say no one is to blame if he rejects it? A little weird you can, in your own words, blame GGG 100% why the BJS fight hasn't happened because of a stupid offer but it happens to be no one's fault when Canelo gives a stupid offer.

With the fans he already has plus those that go over he can. They don't even have to be fans. Look at Mayweather I bet most people who bought his ppv only wanted to see him lose. It could be the same with Golovkin. He's not going over without those Mexicans.

That's exactly what I just said. It makes GGG more recognizable and a bigger draw in general but he's not a bigger than than Canelo. If all those guys that support Canelo don't go to GGG then he can't be bigger than Canelo. With the fans he already has plus those that go over he can. They don't even have to be fans. Look at Mayweather I bet most people who bought his ppv only wanted to see him lose. It could be the same with Golovkin.

Is it September 2017? Last I checked it's still 2016 and Canelo is still a f@gg0t

He's not just compromising by accepting a $10 mil flat fee. He's literally getting raped out of money he deserves. The guy may be out more than 50% of what he deserves if this fight makes more than enough money (1.5 million buys should do the trick). Even then, think about the 2 things I underlined here. 1. No one wants to fight him (feeds the notion that people are scared of him basically) 2. That the offer isn't fair (exactly what I'd said all along) Basically the fact of the matter is, Canelo isn't willing to get into the ring with him on fair terms and will only do so for an unreasonable amount of money (basically, he wants to "wins" outside the ring by basically making GGG his ***** during negotiations). What exactly should I think of those people? If, despite both those points, you would rather blame GGG for not accepting the flat fee as opposed to blaming the guy who doesn't want to play fair, well I don't know what to tell you. Nobody owes anybody a living, but everybody is entitled to a chance. -Jack Dempsey I don't blame anybody. Canelo is in a position to get nearly any fight he wants with whomever he wants and Golovkin isn't. I am merely saying he should just take the 10 mill and fight Canelo, beat him, and call the shots from here on out. He beats Canelo and the money will be there for guys like Eubank and BJS.

I did not say my opinion is complete **** I said our opinion holds 0 weight. If you think that equates to **** then speak for yourself. Nobody wants to fight GGG ok? I'm saying that in order to get himself into a position where he can afford to pay opponents enough so they will get into the ring with him then Golovkin has to make compromises. It isn't fair but that is the only way. Anyway it is 10 million dollars, he should count himself lucky that he is fortunate enough to make that kind of money. He's not just compromising by accepting a $10 mil flat fee. He's literally getting raped out of money he deserves. The guy may be out more than 50% of what he deserves if this fight makes more than enough money (1.5 million buys should do the trick). Even then, think about the 2 things I underlined here. 1. No one wants to fight him (feeds the notion that people are scared of him basically) 2. That the offer isn't fair (exactly what I'd said all along) Basically the fact of the matter is, Canelo isn't willing to get into the ring with him on fair terms and will only do so for an unreasonable amount of money (basically, he wants to "wins" outside the ring by basically making GGG his ***** during negotiations). What exactly should I think of those people? If, despite both those points, you would rather blame GGG for not accepting the flat fee as opposed to blaming the guy who doesn't want to play fair, well I don't know what to tell you.

Yes it makes GGG a bigger draw. The guys that supported Canelo might not all go over to GGG but a lot of fans will start following GGG more and buy his fights. That's exactly what I just said. It makes GGG more recognizable and a bigger draw in general but he's not a bigger than than Canelo. If all those guys that support Canelo don't go to GGG then he can't be bigger than Canelo.

The Khan fight did what? 600k buys? I doubt BJS or Jacobs would do more than that. Khan brings a lot of Muslim buys to the table - Jacobs, nor BJS fill a niche market like Khan does. That's why Khan has made a lot more money than guys with better careers than him. A Cotto rematch might do 800k... Doubt it, though. With GGG, we're talking 1.3-1.5 territory, for as long as the fight has been hyped. It's only fair GGG gets his fair shake of what he's bringing to the table. A boxer should be paid based on what he is bringing to the fight - mostly based on how many more asses in seats, and how many eyeballs on television sets. Basically, the live gate would probably cover GGG's share, and all the PPV would be left for Canelo. 10 million sounds about right for the live gate - maybe give or take a few million. I just think GGG should take the 10 mill so this fight doesn't get put off further than it already is. I mean if GGG beat Canelo I would be very confident in saying he is p4p number 1. Lets be real, with upside Golovkin makes a few million more at best.

Lol I'm being biased by saying boxers should generally be paid by how much they are worth and that there are adjustments for things like weight/location/titles/etc? Who exactly if I'm being biased for by saying that it should apply for all fights/fighters? I literally have to ask 2 questions. Is GGG, economically wise, worth more than $10 million to this fight? If he is, is there any other factors (weight/location/etc) that should result in GGG having to give up millions of dollars? It gives him more exposure, sure, beating Canelo wouldn't make him a biggest draw was the point. Those Mexicans that are buying Canelo PPVs are suddenly going to buy GGG PPVs going forward. Yes it makes GGG a bigger draw. The guys that supported Canelo might not all go over to GGG but a lot of fans will start following GGG more and buy his fights.

Then in that case, why have the conversation that GGG is at fault if, in your own words, your opinion is complete ****? Why discuss anything then. The point of the discussion is that the fight hasn't happened and the reason is because of the $10 million flat fee. It's completely useless to blame GGG's side because he's not accepting an offer that undermines his value. I guess if GGG offered Canelo the flat fee first, we should not have the same discussion? I did not say my opinion is complete **** I said our opinion holds 0 weight. If you think that equates to **** then speak for yourself. Nobody wants to fight GGG ok? I'm saying that in order to get himself into a position where he can afford to pay opponents enough so they will get into the ring with him then Golovkin has to make compromises. It isn't fair but that is the only way. Anyway it is 10 million dollars, he should count himself lucky that he is fortunate enough to make that kind of money.

Heh, aye, I've followed your posts through the thread - dropping logic bomb after logic bomb. That really is the only thing that should determine who gets what regarding PPV splits. Maybe a few percentage points here, or there if somebody is bringing a bunch of belts or something, or an undefeated record. And it shouldn't make a difference if "oh, but GGG can only make X amount of money without Canelo! Canelo can still make X amount without GGG"! All that matters, is for that specific fight, what each boxer is bringing to the table financial wise - how much are they adding to the promotion PPV sales wise, and to an extent, live gate wise. You must be my alt then.

The Khan fight did what? 600k buys? I doubt BJS or Jacobs would do more than that. Khan brings a lot of Muslim buys to the table - Jacobs, nor BJS fill a niche market like Khan does. That's why Khan has made a lot more money than guys with better careers than him. A Cotto rematch might do 800k... Doubt it, though. With GGG, we're talking 1.3-1.5 territory, for as long as the fight has been hyped. It's only fair GGG gets his fair shake of what he's bringing to the table. A boxer should be paid based on what he is bringing to the fight - mostly based on how many more asses in seats, and how many eyeballs on television sets. Basically, the live gate would probably cover GGG's share, and all the PPV would be left for Canelo. 10 million sounds about right for the live gate - maybe give or take a few million. I already tried that with him and he said no.

An outstanding post. Full of logic. It was a pleasure to read. I guess I must be a fan boy alt. Ha! Richard Schaefer said the same thing I said. I guess I am Richard Schaefer! :lol1:

The "common sense" is where your bias comes in. Yes, boxing does work that way. If you beat the biggest draw and become top dog then everyone wants to fight you. People won't fight GGG because he doesn't bring enough money. If he brought Canelo type money to the table he would have no problem getting a Saunders, Jacobs, or Eubank fight. How much do you think Canelo will make off of this fight (rough estimate). Lol I'm being biased by saying boxers should generally be paid by how much they are worth and that there are adjustments for things like weight/location/titles/etc? Who exactly if I'm being biased for by saying that it should apply for all fights/fighters? I literally have to ask 2 questions. Is GGG, economically wise, worth more than $10 million to this fight? If he is, is there any other factors (weight/location/etc) that should result in GGG having to give up millions of dollars? It gives him more exposure, sure, beating Canelo wouldn't make him a biggest draw was the point. Those Mexicans that are buying Canelo PPVs are suddenly going to buy GGG PPVs going forward.

He still makes 3.5 mill any which way you look at it. I know. I'm saying shouldn't mean much when it comes to determining a fair split.

Again, this fight is not that big. So we agree that Golovkin needs Canelo more. That will make the difference. It isn't us limiting GGG to 10 million. Nobody cares what the fans think anyone should be paid. Our opinion holds 0 weight. Golovkin refuses to go up in weight for anyone so there are no other big fights that can be made. If GGG beats Jacobs (if the fight even gets made) then in my eyes he would have more bargaining power. The WBO also will determine the bargaining power. If GGG gets the WBO then Canelo needs GGG if he doesn't and Canelo gets it well...GGG will have to settle. Canelo can make big fights if he has a belt. If he has no belt then he doesn't make ****. Then in that case, why have the conversation that GGG is at fault if, in your own words, your opinion is complete ****? Why discuss anything then. The point of the discussion is that the fight hasn't happened and the reason is because of the $10 million flat fee. It's completely useless to blame GGG's side because he's not accepting an offer that undermines his value. I guess if GGG offered Canelo the flat fee first, we should not have the same discussion?

Correct. But unless the fights do great numbers, he's not going to be paid significantly more. So a GG fight would definitely quadruple some of his overall purses that he's made. We'll have to agree to disagree.

seeing how they blast an attendance at AT&T stadium and the ''no-name'' as you suggest might have a sense of Euphoria for such promotions... stop defending Loeffler. I'm happy Loeffler hasn'T made a statement in the press that they're willing to sit and discuss the ''8 figures.'' It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't want to see the fight, just so you could hate on GG.

He still makes 3.5 mill any which way you look at it. Correct. But unless the fights do great numbers, he's not going to be paid significantly more. So a GG fight would definitely quadruple some of his overall purses that he's made.

I think the fight is 35-65 or 40-60 with Canelo taking the lion's share, but GGG isn't being offered upside. When it's all said and done, Canelo probably walks out with like $50 million to GGG's $10 mil. Never mind the fact Khan made $12 million compared to Canelo's $20 million (which, if you think about it sounds pretty fair overall). But GGG needs to take $10 million compared to the $50 million Canelo probably takes home. Exactly. These guys are absolute jokers.