Make Boxing Great Again!

Hi b morph! Amateurs maybe good! But, .....draw matches are NOT any "problem" within the Sport. They really are not! Bad decisions isn't a help. But....... : ) We need to pull the Sport together THAT'S FOR SURE! How about say in like a tournament style set up? In my version of improved boxing, there would me more tournament style match ups, meaning a winner advances to the next round. Would it work in that situation? I appreciate your thoughts on the subject btw.

You don't like the idea of an OT round? One 2 minute round in the event of a draw? Would be especially helpful if the draw is the result of a bad decision. Hi b morph! Amateurs maybe good! But, .....draw matches are NOT any "problem" within the Sport. They really are not! Bad decisions isn't a help. But....... : ) We need to pull the Sport together THAT'S FOR SURE!

b morph's #1 don't matter nor compute. #2, yes! Results move the sport; HVY.-Wt. div. is The golden eye! I'll like to return to this thread and really SIT on it READ what all have to say this ONE! How long some of you been involved GEEEZE! My top-5 mega's at now (no order) looks GOOD: *Golovkin Ward Alvarez Kovalev, Manny Pacquiao *admin they "totally suck...." and are faulted. Hvy's I push a "only seven names that matter": (no order) FURY WILDER HAYE JOSHUA PARKER WLAD. -&- POVETKIN Super fights help or can help. We need to keep the first echelon to the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR WBO WBC IBF WBA. We need to STOP ALL TOGETHER anything beyond one champ per any weight class by the organizations. The "second echelon" I can deal with with my work of the United WBC WBA IBF WBO (dash) "the second echelon factor" we are calling it a FIVE USA STATES VALUE. Only men's league; only "world" levels...intercontinental titles ALL are "the same size small" thus it doesn't matter. Need anything else answered here? You don't like the idea of an OT round? One 2 minute round in the event of a draw? Would be especially helpful if the draw is the result of a bad decision.

b morph's #1 don't matter nor compute. #2, yes! Results move the sport; HVY.-Wt. div. is The golden eye! I'll like to return to this thread and really SIT on it READ what all have to say this ONE! How long some of you been involved GEEEZE! My top-5 mega's at now (no order) looks GOOD: *Golovkin Ward Alvarez Kovalev, Manny Pacquiao *admin they "totally suck...." and are faulted. Hvy's I push a "only seven names that matter": (no order) FURY WILDER HAYE JOSHUA PARKER WLAD. -&- POVETKIN Super fights help or can help. We need to keep the first echelon to the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR WBO WBC IBF WBA. We need to STOP ALL TOGETHER anything beyond one champ per any weight class by the organizations. The "second echelon" I can deal with with my work of the United WBC WBA IBF WBO (dash) "the second echelon factor" we are calling it a FIVE USA STATES VALUE. Only men's league; only "world" levels...intercontinental titles ALL are "the same size small" thus it doesn't matter. Need anything else answered here?

scores are a secret as it is and were not thrilled. a guy knows if hes ahead or not and will fight accordingly. or not. boxers will box, brawlers will brawl and those in between will do their thing. take any other sport that close games. we know the score and we are still engaged in the game. teams do what they do to either kill the clock or change players accordingly. imho, if the scores of robberies were live, there would be no robberies. the crowd would go ape shlt (perhaps this is why scores are kept secret. boxing knows there will definitely be fncked up scores and dont want to incite riots). I will tell you this though, seeing scoring live will change the way judges judge fights. Example, judge A scores the fight a shutout in one way, judges B and C judged it the complete opposite way. Judge A is now thinking he's in the wrong and must try his damnest to match judges B and C. This is mid fight by the way. Like 5th round. Judge A doesn't want to get shunned.

They won't change it because they like it the way it is. Sad really.

outside of abc bodies demanding guys fight each other.... hold judges responsible...LIVE SCORING. every sport has the score be known. fnck ''theatric suspense''. an extra judge in case of a draw or an extra rd. uphold warnings. yeah i know, refs dont want to be part of the scoring but fnck that shlt. they have to control what goes on in there. if a cunt doesnt want to obey the rules, -1 him. (im sure the above shlt has been suggested) Haven't mentioned the scores being live. Idk how I feel about that. Suspense is part of boxing I feel like. Plus, I think you would have a lot more corner stoppages when they see how far down their fighter is and they decide it's not worth it. Also if a guy sees he's way ahead late, he's just gonna dance around. But idk, maybe it wouldn't make any difference at all.

Remove Haymon and boxing will return to at least a tolerable sport.

- Overhaul the judging process. - Make judges accountable/punishable for bad scores. - Make referees punishable for bad/questionable calls. - One World title per division, along with Continental and National titles. - The divisions of the old days. No 'Super' or 'Light' divisions and no catchweights. - A fighter cannot weigh more than a % over the limit on fight night. Seal of approval.

Instead of belts, you can have a yearly tournament in the top divison in each weight divison. Winner is the king of that division and has bragging rights for the year. This is of course at the top of the division. This will settle disputes of who is the king of a divison.

Definitely. I don't see that as a problem. I think you just have a certain number range of guys in each level. For example say there are 1,000 boxers in a division. You throw 25 in the Main League, 100 in the AAA League, 200 in the AA League, 300 in the A League & 375 in the Rookie League & everyone is fighting only guys in their particular league. Obviously I think it'd be impossible to have a hard number for very long, but a range of guys in any particular league around some agreed upon number like the ones I used as an example would easily work. And you could have various rules in place for moving up (winning x fights in a row or 4 outta 5 or whatever, winning a tournament, beating a guy who just dropped down a level, etc) & moving down (losing x fights in a row, getting KO'd x times in a row, losing 3 outta 4 fights or whatever, inactivity, etc) that would handle most of that & if there are some more questionable guys to move up or down to meet some quota for a league you could implement some voting committee to handle those closer calls to make if need be. Very interesting concept. I'm a big fan of tournaments in boxing. Much like a golden gloves type deal.

There could potentially be a problem with how many boxers we have in a given division though. If its a slow division, say like super middleweight as an example, we might only have 1 elite level fighter. There would have to be some exceptions made in those situations. It would be great to look at in defining how great a division is at the time. Say like you could have 10 elite level fighters at a weight for 5 years, and then only 3 at the same weight for another 5 years.

Exactly & thats why I like the development structure concept, that other sports have, for boxing. I think it gets out the old guys too. I mean if RJJ was in the AA League & had to contend with that reality day in & day out I think he or certain other older guys in boxing might opt out sooner as it'd be a bit of an embarrassment for him to be clearly defined as a lesser talent boxer. I mean you could argue he's that now successfully with me & most people, but its not a 100% clear thing & lets be real in boxing as it is now who wouldn't be surprised tomorrow if RJJ got a fight with some top ten guy or hell even a title holder. And that wouldn't be possible & RJJ would know it in a setup like I'm talking about. All fights would be competitive that way because we would prohibit fighting across leagues.

Things I'd like to see: -Weight divisions assigned upon being given a boxing license that is based on some healthy walking around weight BMI kinda determination that ends all this sport within a sport weight cutting bs. -A tiered development setup not unlike the MLB minor league farm system. For example the average guy turning pro would start in the Rookie League. He'd win 5 or 6 fights there & be moved up to the A League. He wins 4 or 5 more fights in the A League & moves up to the AA League. He wins some tournament in the AA League & moves up to the AAA League. Then he wins 2 or 3 fights at the AAA League & gets into the Main League with the top 15-25 guys. This would make boxing more competitive at all levels of the sport which is something that is greatly needed in my opinion. -Lighter gloves for more KO's. More penalties given for holding. In particular in situations when a guy is hurt or dropped & is aggressively holding. -Clearer & more defined criteria for judging a fight. I feel like its too subjective, almost by design right now & that is a problem. Having 10-7 for dominate rounds, 10-8 for clear rounds & 10-9 for close rounds would probably be one of the preferred ways to see some of the judging issues worked out as I believe there isn't enough space between clear rounds + close rounds that judges by autopilot would go 10-9 either way on their cards when clearly one of those rounds was more dominant. I'd also like to have a way to judge the judges so the cream can rise to the top & the **** can be flushed. -One champion per division. One top ten for each division as decided by a panel of top boxing media & pundits. -More guys losing their boxing license upon losing too much or getting KO'd too much. In general with the brain science out there right now I think the suspension after being KO'd should be longer. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing guys KO'd being suspended for a year & guys TKO'd being suspended for 4 to 6 months. -No draws. Every fight will either have a winner after the scheduled rounds or there will be a extra round where the 3 judges will need to give the fight to one guy or the other. No one wants to see a f#cking draw & it'd make that last round f#cking exciting as f#ck for the fans since we'd all know the fight is on the line. LOL I mean you aren't wrong to some degree, but I think if you throw lighter gloves on + you make the scoring criteria a lil more fan friendly (like MMA has done) there is more to counter that working for guys like it does now with what few methods they have with getting untalented boxers out of the ring. And mainly I think catching L's under the regime I'm suggesting the guys who'd be getting their license taken away would be the guys in the low rungs of the ladder (Rookie & A League guys) who are steady losing after years in the same league. You'd either move up or move out of the sport. Again with the main goal being competitive fights & guys who aren't competitive over a certain period of time need to get a job at Best Buy or Kohl's or something not just for their own betterment, but for the sport of boxing which lacks of competitive barrier of entry like most other pro sports. Right, like a set of certain requirements that one needs to meet in order to compete at the 'elite' or top league. Sort of like qualifications for a job. Say like, you must be a pro for at least 7 years, have at least 30 wins, maintain a minimum winning percentage of we'll say around .875. You cannot have more than 2 clear consecutive losses in a row, or you'll get knocked down a league, and we'll say you must fight at least 2 times per year.

Things I'd like to see: -Weight divisions assigned upon being given a boxing license that is based on some healthy walking around weight BMI kinda determination that ends all this sport within a sport weight cutting bs. -A tiered development setup not unlike the MLB minor league farm system. For example the average guy turning pro would start in the Rookie League. He'd win 5 or 6 fights there & be moved up to the A League. He wins 4 or 5 more fights in the A League & moves up to the AA League. He wins some tournament in the AA League & moves up to the AAA League. Then he wins 2 or 3 fights at the AAA League & gets into the Main League with the top 15-25 guys. This would make boxing more competitive at all levels of the sport which is something that is greatly needed in my opinion. -Lighter gloves for more KO's. More penalties given for holding. In particular in situations when a guy is hurt or dropped & is aggressively holding. -Clearer & more defined criteria for judging a fight. I feel like its too subjective, almost by design right now & that is a problem. Having 10-7 for dominate rounds, 10-8 for clear rounds & 10-9 for close rounds would probably be one of the preferred ways to see some of the judging issues worked out as I believe there isn't enough space between clear rounds + close rounds that judges by autopilot would go 10-9 either way on their cards when clearly one of those rounds was more dominant. I'd also like to have a way to judge the judges so the cream can rise to the top & the **** can be flushed. -One champion per division. One top ten for each division as decided by a panel of top boxing media & pundits. -More guys losing their boxing license upon losing too much or getting KO'd too much. In general with the brain science out there right now I think the suspension after being KO'd should be longer. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing guys KO'd being suspended for a year & guys TKO'd being suspended for 4 to 6 months. -No draws. Every fight will either have a winner after the scheduled rounds or there will be a extra round where the 3 judges will need to give the fight to one guy or the other. No one wants to see a f#cking draw & it'd make that last round f#cking exciting as f#ck for the fans since we'd all know the fight is on the line. First bolded part - Great idea! Second bolded part - I don't know about this. This would undoubtedly make the sport super defensive. Everyone would be afraid of getting KOed and we would have nothing but Mayweathers. Especially the guy who's on thin ice and one KO away from losing his license for good. He'll have his track shoes on the rest of his career. It does make sense from a general safety first perspective and is an interesting concept to play around with. Particularly with your previous idea with the league system. Say a guy loses 2 or 3 consecutive times, send him down a tier and after he wins enough times in that league, he can be sent back up. Third bolded part - OT round is crucial for this.

1 title per division that has to be defended once a year against a top contender determined by a box off. 10-15 lb rehydration clause for all fights contested by fighters in the same division. Mandatory suspensions for judges involved in obviously bad decisions, with a application and testing process to return to judging...a similar setup for referees that make fight changing mistakes or show a lack of understanding the rules.

Things I'd like to see: -A tiered development setup not unlike the MLB minor league farm system. For example the average guy turning pro would start in the Rookie League. He'd win 5 or 6 fights there & be moved up to the A League. He wins 4 or 5 more fights in the A League & moves up to the AA League. He wins some tournament in the AA League & moves up to the AAA League. Then he wins 2 or 3 fights at the AAA League & gets into the Main League with the top 15-25 guys. This would make boxing more competitive at all levels of the sport which is something that is greatly needed in my opinion. Great idea! -Lighter gloves for more KO's. More penalties given for holding. In particular in situations when a guy is hurt or dropped & is aggressively holding. -Clearer & more defined criteria for judging a fight. I feel like its too subjective, almost by design right now & that is a problem. Having 10-7 for dominate rounds, 10-8 for clear rounds & 10-9 for close rounds would probably be one of the preferred ways to see some of the judging issues worked out as I believe there isn't enough space between clear rounds + close rounds that judges by autopilot would go 10-9 either way on their cards when clearly one of those rounds was more dominant. I'd also like to have a way to judge the judges so the cream can rise to the top & the **** can be flushed. -One champion per division. One top ten for each division as decided by a panel of top boxing media & pundits. -More guys losing their boxing license upon losing too much or getting KO'd too much. In general with the brain science out there right now I think the suspension after being KO'd should be longer. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing guys KO'd being suspended for a year & guys TKO'd being suspended for 4 to 6 months. I don't know about this. This would undoubtedly make the sport super defensive. Everyone would be afraid of getting KOed and we would have nothing but Mayweathers. Especially the guy who's on thin ice and one KO away from losing his license for good. He'll have his track shoes on the rest of his career. It does make sense from a general safety first perspective and is an interesting concept to play around with. Particularly with your previous idea with the league system. Say a guy loses 2 or 3 consecutive times, send him down a tier and after he wins enough times in that league, he can be sent back up. -No draws. Every fight will either have a winner after the scheduled rounds or there will be a extra round where the 3 judges will need to give the fight to one guy or the other. No one wants to see a f#cking draw & it'd make that last round f#cking exciting as f#ck for the fans since we'd all know the fight is on the line. OT round is critical to this.

Same. I guess what this question really comes down to is: a) Make better fights. b) Ensure integrity in the sport. c) Engage the fans more. Ref cam, maybe pre-match locker cam, etc. ie. Things that will never happen. :sad: Well you already got camera's in the locker room. We see the fighter warming up and his entourage getting all excited.

Speaking of replays, I'm a fan of the ref cam thing they've been doing on PBC. Great replays of action in between rounds. Same. I guess what this question really comes down to is: a) Make better fights. b) Ensure integrity in the sport. c) Engage the fans more. Ref cam, maybe pre-match locker cam, etc. ie. Things that will never happen. :sad:

Not sure how I feel about this either. Like you said, it could easily be manipulated in order to prevent the bigger draw from losing on points via slight alterations in the firmware controlling the chips, etc. That being said, people moaned about goal line technology being implemented in soccer matches, yet it's turned out pretty well. If you've ever watched a soccer match with a disputed goal, the crowd goes silent as soon as the goal line replay confirms whether or not a goal was a goal. Speaking of replays, I'm a fan of the ref cam thing they've been doing on PBC. Great replays of action in between rounds.