I was just thinking of the various runs fighters have gone through and a friend of mine mentioned MABs run of fights from the first Morales bout to the first Pacquiao bout, which occurred over a 3 year period, with fights against Hamed, Tapia and Kelley thrown in, not to mention 3 world titles across 2 divisions.
To be precise, he had 10 fights from Feb 2000 to November 2003 (I know, not exactly 3 years but you get what I'm saying). He was 8-2, with his only losses coming against ATGs and the combined record of his opponents being 381-21-8. Two of those wins were against 2 unbeaten HOFers in Morales and Hamed. That's some 3 string of fights. MABs opponents had won 93% of their combined fights. 5 of those wins were against future/current/past world champions.
So, I'm thinking, who else can you think of, who over a period of 3-ish years can match or surpass this?
I instantly thought of Muhammad Ali, who from 1971-74 fought and beat Frazier, Norton and Foreman, reclaimed his heavyweight crown and also beat ATGs in Foster and Patterson, not to mention a string of excellent contenders.
Ali was 14-2, in 16 bouts, with his opponents having a combined record of 572-64-14. That's over a period of 43 months (3 years 7 months). Ali's combined opponents had won 88% of their fights. 5 of those wins came against current/future/past world champions.
Quite staggering considering fighters these days will get barely 6 fights under their belts in a similar span of time and if we're lucky, one of those is against a top opponent.
almost surely the best three year stretch in the career of any fighter. especially considering that he was weighing in on the same day, he couldn't manipulate his weight much. he just kind of accepted that he was around 130ish or so lbs when he did his best fighting and fought. also have to consider that he defended his title(s) a dozen times in a year, and 3X in the month of march at one point if memory serves right. and his style as well. wasn't like he was willie pep dancing around without getting the part in his hair messed up, he put his head on dudes' chests and won many of his fights through attrition and via knockout.
you really shouldn't ask anything more of a fighter. how he lived to be nearly 80 will always blow me away.
That's the best run in the history of Boxing. If that was his entire career and nothing before or after it's still enough to be top 5 ever. Think about that.
Vargas wasn't all that let's not be silly lol
But regardless the issue is it's not a great 3 year run when we take into account what mab, Morales, pac, Holyfield and Co have done in the last 30 years
He was a highly regarded undefeated champion with good form. Beat Winky Wright (barely) in a good test, hammered Ike Quartey (who arguably beat Oscar). Not saying he was the next Hagler, but he was very good in 2000.
I think it was a great run. They all had great runs. I just think fair is fair if your going to say Whitaker is shot it's also worth noting Tapia and Kelley (woefully so) were shot and actually weren't at the level Whitaker had been at (not great anymore not as faded as Tapia and not hopelessly shot like Kelley).
I think Marquez also had a great 3 year run from 2007-2010
Barrera (lineal and reigning champ off great form), controversial loss to Pacquaio, beat the lineal and reigning lightweight champ (off the back of a great win) Casamayor and then turned back two very good challenges - Juan Diaz (1st fight) and Katsidis. In the middle of that jumped up multiple weights to fight Mayweather. Also sandwiched in a good win over Rocky Juarez. Nobody at that point had 120-108 Juarez the way Marquez did.
Now again, Diaz didn't have the career of Tapia but that's clearly a superior win than beating Tapia in 2002 at Featherweight.
Henry Armstrong from 1937 - 1940
Won the Featherweight title from Petey Sarron
Won the Welterweight title from Barney Ross
Won the Lightweight title from Lou Ambers
Held all three simultaneously for a while.
Defended the Welterweight title a record 19 times (dropping the FW and losing the LW title in a rematch to Ambers). A record I believe still stands to this day
Stepped up to Middleweight to challenge Cerefino Garcia, who was recognised by some as the MW champ, earning himself a draw in a bout that many thought he won.
Finally lost to the great Fritzie Zivic in Oct 1940.
He never hit those heights again. Tbh, i'm not sure anyone ever has.
final record for the 3 year period 37 wins (30 ko's)- 2 losses - 1 draw
almost surely the best three year stretch in the career of any fighter. especially considering that he was weighing in on the same day, he couldn't manipulate his weight much. he just kind of accepted that he was around 130ish or so lbs when he did his best fighting and fought. also have to consider that he defended his title(s) a dozen times in a year, and 3X in the month of march at one point if memory serves right. and his style as well. wasn't like he was willie pep dancing around without getting the part in his hair messed up, he put his head on dudes' chests and won many of his fights through attrition and via knockout.
you really shouldn't ask anything more of a fighter. how he lived to be nearly 80 will always blow me away.
The Vargas win was iconic. Vargas at that time was highly regarded and a very good champion. Tito ruined him and just because he didn't pan out to be an all-time great doesn't mean the win isn't big. Tito beat the fight out of him.
FYI I'm not saying it was better than MAB's run, but also you must note that Tapia was shot as was Kelley (woefully shot actually)
Vargas wasn't all that let's not be silly lol
But regardless the issue is it's not a great 3 year run when we take into account what mab, Morales, pac, Holyfield and Co have done in the last 30 years
of the current fighter wilder had a fantastic run from 2015 january to 2017 December.
Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola, Washington and Stiverne again!
Subjective. The De La Hoya fight was about even in rounds (I had it 114-114) and a case can be made for either guy a point either way.
I'd say it's one of the better runs of the last 20 years no doubt. With the exception of two solid mando opponents every opponent was deemed a very good one coming in.
Exactly. That Tito run is almost mediocre compared to the 3 year periods already mentioned, without a single proper iconic win.
Whitaker? Shot
DLH? very very atguable
Hopkins? lost
I dunno if anyone has mentioned Roberto Duran so far but from his big year of 1980 to 1983 he fought 12 times, going 8(4)-4(1), beating Leonard, then losing and having a torrid time, before coming back and winning a light middle title, while only 5'6'' and nowhere near his peak. He also too Hagler the distance.
The Vargas win was iconic. Vargas at that time was highly regarded and a very good champion. Tito ruined him and just because he didn't pan out to be an all-time great doesn't mean the win isn't big. Tito beat the fight out of him.
FYI I'm not saying it was better than MAB's run, but also you must note that Tapia was shot as was Kelley (woefully shot actually)
He lost to Dela Hoya and Bernard Hopkins though, Pernell Whitaker was on coke and was way past it, but it's still not a bad win, but I don't think that run is on the level of the ones the TS mentioned.
Exactly. That Tito run is almost mediocre compared to the 3 year periods already mentioned, without a single proper iconic win.
Whitaker? Shot
DLH? very very atguable
Hopkins? lost
I dunno if anyone has mentioned Roberto Duran so far but from his big year of 1980 to 1983 he fought 12 times, going 8(4)-4(1), beating Leonard, then losing and having a torrid time, before coming back and winning a light middle title, while only 5'6'' and nowhere near his peak. He also too Hagler the distance.
He lost to Dela Hoya and Bernard Hopkins though, Pernell Whitaker was on coke and was way past it, but it's still not a bad win, but I don't think that run is on the level of the ones the TS mentioned.
Subjective. The De La Hoya fight was about even in rounds (I had it 114-114) and a case can be made for either guy a point either way.
I'd say it's one of the better runs of the last 20 years no doubt. With the exception of two solid mando opponents every opponent was deemed a very good one coming in.
In the modern era Felix Trinidad had a great run from February 1999 until September of 2001
Pernell Whitaker (handed him his first real loss)
Hugo Pineda (solid mando)
Oscar De La Hoya (super fight unification)
David Reid (undefeated champ)
Mamadou Thiam (solid mando)
Fernando Vargas (undefeated champ unification super fight)
William Joppy (WBA middleweight champion)
Bernard Hopkins (all-time great for all the marbles)
No fluff. No stalling out. Always the best option and opponent available. Three gold medalists defeated, two unification bouts won and a combined record of 245-7-4
He lost to Dela Hoya and Bernard Hopkins though, Pernell Whitaker was on coke and was way past it, but it's still not a bad win, but I don't think that run is on the level of the ones the TS mentioned.
In the modern era Felix Trinidad had a great run from February 1999 until September of 2001
Pernell Whitaker (handed him his first real loss)
Hugo Pineda (solid mando)
Oscar De La Hoya (super fight unification)
David Reid (undefeated champ)
Mamadou Thiam (solid mando)
Fernando Vargas (undefeated champ unification super fight)
William Joppy (WBA middleweight champion)
Bernard Hopkins (all-time great for all the marbles)
No fluff. No stalling out. Always the best option and opponent available. Three gold medalists defeated, two unification bouts won and a combined record of 245-7-4
Billy Conn, Dec 1936 - Dec 1939
W - Fritzie Zivic (Future WW Champion, HoFer)
W - Babe Risko (Former MW Champion)
W - Vince Dundee (Former MW Champion)
W - Oscar Rankins (MW Contender)
W - Teddy Yarosz (Former MW Champion, HoFer)
L - Young Corbett III (Former WW Champion, Current MW Contender, HoFer)
W - Teddy Yarosz
W - Young Corbett III
L - Solly Kreiger (Future NBA MW Champion (Not Lineal iirc))
W - Eric Seelig (MW Contender)
L - Teddy Yarosz
W - Solly Kreiger (Current NBA Champion)
W - Fred Apostoli (Current NYSAC MW Champ (Lineal), non title bout held above MW limit, HoFer)
W - Fred Apostoli (as above)
W - Solly Kreiger
W - Melio Bettina (LHW Contender, vacant NYSAC/NBA LHW Belts (new lineage))
W - Gus Dorazio (LHW Contender)
W - Melio Bettina
W - Gus Lesnovic (Future LHW Champion)
How about that then?
Aside from getting several more wins at LHW and just above he went on to have his most famous moment vs Joe Louis, outboxing the HW great for 13 rounds before getting over confident and being KO'd. He would also beat MW Champion Tony Zale at LHW after losing to Louis I and before getting knocked out by Joe a second time.
Edit: Actually got that wrong with Kreiger (NBA MW) and Apostoli (NYSAC MW). Kreiger was actually lineal in terms of the title, but Apostoli was more 'legitimate' as he had beaten the lineal champ in a non title 10 rounder and then been ducked for a title bout.
how is pacquiao not mentioned in this thread he had by far the greatest run we will see in our lifetimes spanning across 7 or 8 weight divisions
Morales 3 times
JMM 4 times
Barrera 2 times
Hatton
DLH
Cotto
Marg
Mosley
Bradley 3 times (all wins)
lets be real here...we will Never see this type of run again in our lives
Lol cmon man, read the title.
Also, pick a 3 year stretch and say why it was so impressive
how is pacquiao not mentioned in this thread he had by far the greatest run we will see in our lifetimes spanning across 7 or 8 weight divisions
Morales 3 times
JMM 4 times
Barrera 2 times
Hatton
DLH
Cotto
Marg
Mosley
Bradley 3 times (all wins)
lets be real here...we will Never see this type of run again in our lives
Considering that run spans 13 years rather than 3, and the title of the thread is 3 year run. Plus the fact Pac was already mentioned?
how is pacquiao not mentioned in this thread he had by far the greatest run we will see in our lifetimes spanning across 7 or 8 weight divisions
Morales 3 times
JMM 4 times
Barrera 2 times
Hatton
DLH
Cotto
Marg
Mosley
Bradley 3 times (all wins)
lets be real here...we will Never see this type of run again in our lives
Didn't say he's comparable to the rest I was listing impressive runs that I can recall.
While I'm at it I can also mention some more:
Andre Ward beat Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Froch and Dawson from 2009 till 2012
James Toney beat Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn and Iran Barkley from 91 till 93
Michael Nunn beat Tate, Kalambay, Starling and Curry from 88 till 93
Most of the intensive short period runs against top elite opponents took place in the modern era of boxing, exceptions are of course SRR and Henry Armstrong who was a champ in 3 weight divisions at the same time at the time where boxing only had 8, so that guy almost owned half the weight divisions. Back in the day fighters would take 5-10 tune ups between fights untill there was a rematch or something and that's why it'd hard to find such intensive runs with fighters pre 1960.
It really isn't. Nunns run isnt exactly intensive btw but its solid quality.
Thing is, a run of 3 or 4 fights isn't as jaw dropping and seeing guys have around 10 or more fights in what is a short period of time and consistently facing top guys.
Archie Moore probably had 2 or 3, 3 year periods of excellent fights, ranging from the 40s to the early 50s. One of his best and most iconic runs probably came from 54-57, which included 2 shots at the heavyweight title and a string of victories against some of the top fighters of the day, including Maxim, Olson and Johnson.
Similarly we could talk about Moore's great adversary, Charles, who had an astounding run from 49-52, winning and defending a version of the heavyweight title and with victories over 4 HOFers.
Mike Tyson from 86-89
-Trevor Berbick (WBC champ)
-James Smith (WBA champ)
-Pinklon Thomas
-Tony Tucker (IBF champ)
-Tyrell Biggs
-Larry Holmes
-Tony Tubbs
-Michael Spinks (Lineal champ)
-Frank Bruno
-Carl Williams
10 wins (9 Kos) - 0 losses - 0 draws
lost to Buster Douglas the next year.
One hell of a 3 years.
Could do with a stint like that in the current HW scene
Impressive run, if only for teh sheer dominance of Tyson. He annihilated most of those guys and looked absolutely unbeatable.
Wtf made you put this guy on the list?
Didn't say he's comparable to the rest I was listing impressive runs that I can recall.
While I'm at it I can also mention some more:
Andre Ward beat Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Froch and Dawson from 2009 till 2012
James Toney beat Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn and Iran Barkley from 91 till 93
Michael Nunn beat Tate, Kalambay, Starling and Curry from 88 till 93
Most of the intensive short period runs against top elite opponents took place in the modern era of boxing, exceptions are of course SRR and Henry Armstrong who was a champ in 3 weight divisions at the same time at the time where boxing only had 8, so that guy almost owned half the weight divisions. Back in the day fighters would take 5-10 tune ups between fights untill there was a rematch or something and that's why it'd hard to find such intensive runs with fighters pre 1960.
Mike Tyson from 86-89
-Trevor Berbick (WBC champ)
-James Smith (WBA champ)
-Pinklon Thomas
-Tony Tucker (IBF champ)
-Tyrell Biggs
-Larry Holmes
-Tony Tubbs
-Michael Spinks (Lineal champ)
-Frank Bruno
-Carl Williams
10 wins (9 Kos) - 0 losses - 0 draws
lost to Buster Douglas the next year.
One hell of a 3 years.
Could do with a stint like that in the current HW scene
Barrera was fire from 2000 to 2003, got wrecked by Pacquiao, and still continued to be fire all the way up until around 2006.
Hell of a run and resume
I know, if I'm gettin my timing right (cba to check boxrec just now) he went on to beat Morales 1 more time and had those pretty underrated Juarez bouts. I feel losing to JMM and Pac back to back was it for him.
Holmes and Camacho had pretty damn good three year runs, and then some.
Time period? Opponents faced? Championships won?
Wtf made you put this guy on the list?
Lol admittedly DG is not in the upper tier of best 3 year runs but there was a time when he did well, although I think the poster is pretty new to the sport.
There was this former featherweight guy that beat Cotto, Canelo, Maidana and Pacquiao from May 2012 till May 2015 in his late 30s.
Roy Jones beat Bernard Hopkins and James Toney at 2 different weight classes within 1 year.
Ray Leonard beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns within 2 years.
Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson, Donald Curry and Herold Graham in 3 years.
Danny Garcia beat Khan, Matthysse and Peterson from 2012 till 2015.
The list is way too long!
Wtf made you put this guy on the list?