What is your P4P list if you have to base it on best resumes? To make the lists here racism-free and relevant, I have added these 3 criteria.
1) It doesn't matter how many bums you have defeated. It doesn't matter how many belts you have. It doesn't matter how many defenses you have made. What matters here is only: Have you beaten any good opponents and who?
2) It doesn't matter that you had a good amateur background and it doesn't matter that you look good in beating bums. It doesn't count as wins that people are ducking you. What matters here is only: Have you beaten any good opponents and who?
3) Obviously, it would be easy to fill the list with guys like Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr, Wladimir Klitschko, etc., but let's not add old fighters who are not very relevant anymore.
Personally, I see it like this (could be wrong, though):
1 - Ward: Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Dawson, Rodriguez, etc.
2 - Kovalev: Hopkins, Pascal, Agnew, Cleverly, Caparello, etc.
3 - Lara: Canelo, Trout, Williams.
4 - Crawford: Postol and Gamboa.
5 - Gonzalez: Cuadras and Estrada.
It's a pretty simple thread. It's a P4P list based on having the best wins alone. So there can't be any subjective bull**** getting in the way.
I'm not understanding. You're saying a P4P list based on best opponents beaten only, not style of win (close, clear or stoppage) ignoring any loses and irrelevant of quantity (ie. does one 'A' level win rank as 2 or 3 or 5 'B' level wins). How do you compensate for exposure bias? What about fighters (eg RJJ) who are past prime but have outstanding wins on their records? It would help me give a rational response if you could clarify a little.
if we're purely measuring resumes then gonzalez has to be #1. he has beaten:
- three reigning titlists (niida, yaegashi, cuadras)
- two former titlists (sosa, viloria)
- four fighters who won titles after he beat them (takayama, estrada, rodriguez jr, yaegashi)
also note that takayama, estrada and rodriguez jr actually became unified titlists after their losses to gonzalez, and estrada is currently considered a top 10 pound-for-pounder by some people. also, arroyo could very well be argued to have beaten ruenruong in 2014, which would've made him a titlist too
So we are looking for Black fighters who have defeated White fighters, to show how physically superior the Black race is to the White race.
Now I get the point of this thread and I thought it was about the love of boxing.
Yes, now you're getting the point. I mean, you can have Fury but you'll have to take Kovalev off the list. Cant have 2 white fighters on the list, that's racist
I guess. Albeit reluctantly. I'm not really fond of how Spence stole the mullet from the white man. But whatever.
Alright here
1. GGG
2. Fury
3. Kovalev
4. Wlad
5. Frampton
6. Lee Selby
7. Povetkin
8. Scott Quigg
9. Groves
10. Spence :hail:
Honorable mention: Mike Lee
Hey, no love for ATG Tony Bellew??
Be sure to add a token Hispanic like Gonzalez as well. You'll have to get back in the basket of you're seen as Hispanaphobic
I don't know man, that's kind of pushing it. I try to keep the spectrum of races on my pound for pound list as limited as possible.
Can you please add Spence Jr onto your list, he has a mullet.. :fingersx:
I guess. Albeit reluctantly. I'm not really fond of how Spence stole the mullet from the white man. But whatever.
Alright here
1. GGG
2. Fury
3. Kovalev
4. Wlad
5. Frampton
6. Lee Selby
7. Povetkin
8. Scott Quigg
9. Groves
10. Spence
Honorable mention: Mike Lee
Fury doesn't count. We already have a token white boy on the list in Kovalev. Add to that, his biggest win is against a white boy, so that isnt saying much
So we are looking for Black fighters who have defeated White fighters, to show how physically superior the Black race is to the White race.
Now I get the point of this thread and I thought it was about the love of boxing.
I used to be a deplorable back when I had an all white top ten P4P
Nowadays I just insert a token black fighter like Demetrius Andrade and it makes everything alright
Be sure to add a token Hispanic like Gonzalez as well. You'll have to get back in the basket of you're seen as Hispanaphobic
I used to be a deplorable back when I had an all white top ten P4P
Nowadays I just insert a token black fighter like Demetrius Andrade and it makes everything alright
Can you please add Spence Jr onto your list, he has a mullet.. :fingersx:
Its ok. Just hop in the basket of deplorables with the rest of the white people
I used to be a deplorable back when I had an all white top ten P4P
Nowadays I just insert a token black fighter like Demetrius Andrade and it makes everything alright
Not white, but will still get into the basket.. :blackeye:
I guess I worded that wrong. Should have said with all of the white people. But we're inclusive in the basket. All you have to be is racist, or homophobic, or xenophobic, or islamaphobic and you'll fit right in
Tyson Fury he beat Klitschko. The man who had a strangle hold on the division for 11 years.
Fury doesn't count. We already have a token white boy on the list in Kovalev. Add to that, his biggest win is against a white boy, so that isnt saying much
This is my top 10 unbiased p4p:
1. Andre Ward
2. Son Of God
3. Ward
4. Andre
5. Virgil Hunter's godson
6. The guy who coined lil G
7. Dre
8. S.O.G
9. Tiffany Ward's man
10. Super 6 champ
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Oh my bad sir.. I thought Claressa Shields won the gold medal(twice) & it counts for something.. I was trying so hard to not come across as a sexist that I forgot I was being a racist.. Damn me!
Its ok. Just hop in the basket of deplorables with the rest of the white people
What kind of list is this? You left off the last American Gold medalist...you must be racist
Oh my bad sir.. I thought Claressa Shields won the gold medal(twice) & it counts for something.. I was trying so hard to not come across as a sexist that I forgot I was being a racist.. Damn me!
Bob Sapp should be included. His ability to lose against much smaller opponents despite his massive strength, reach and weight advantage is truly legendary. His pain allergy makes him one of the only fighters in the world known to cry due to strikes.
Kevin Mitchell too: Even when he is winning a fight he always finds some way to lose (usually by being KTFO'd). His amazing inability to take a punch and be dropped dead in his tracks is the stuff of legends.
This is my top 10 unbiased p4p:
1. Andre Ward
2. Son Of God
3. Ward
4. Andre
5. Virgil Hunter's godson
6. The guy who coined lil G
7. Dre
8. S.O.G
9. Tiffany Ward's man
10. Super 6 champ
What kind of list is this? You left off the last American Gold medalist...you must be racist
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