In all actuality Mayweather-Pacquiao was a stalemate more than anything

Mayweather won but was not impressive in the win. He himself threw a career low to be even more defensive. This is backed up be facts. PAC needs to take his L and move on. I'd be surprised if that were true.........he AVERAGED right around 480 per 12 rounds in from 2007 forward and there were some fights where his hand problems severaly limited his output. But even if that is true, it's not surprising given he threw more than Manny and landed more. That's what he does......if you don't force him to up his output, he's just not going to do it.....but he was pretty close to typical Mayweather. I hate that fight. I thought they both left plenty to be desired. But there was a very clear winner.........and it wasn't Pacquiao....not close.......

Mayweather won but was not impressive in the win. He himself threw a career low to be even more defensive. This is backed up be facts. I'll make it even more concise. Floyd won a huggathon marathon contest. if you can still call that boxing, otherwise he should refund that cool 200 million he didn't deserve from all that queerness lmao # Vegas saved Froid Roid's ass again https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRATRLnr1-MkIPw06hZS_BXVqOhuqoaeLZq3GuqIUz76E6SK7CKLyzBQZsd5A https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN01GFcOSmRHO8JJX0MxI3Briz5wxgC8KWDtMvgk0Ir9362HGixHfMySG6UA THE EYES TRULY IS THE WINDOWS TO YOUR SOUL http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/assets/2015/05/mayweather-hug-pacquiao.jpg

4th and 5th videos here: Floyd about Manny: When Floyd was asked who was his top three toughest opponent, he was quoted by boxingscene.com: "I can say that none of them were easy. Although I must say that Canelo was tough....Miguel Cotto . Manny Pacquiao was very tough. Pacquiao is very good. He was better than I thought." Round 9,10 Round 12

Mayweather won but was not impressive in the win. He himself threw a career low to be even more defensive. This is backed up be facts. PAC needs to take his L and move on.

So.......we're gonna go off the conspiracy video that has a whole nine-minutes in slow motion that supposedly proves Manny won?? First, everything in context. You can't take what amount to a total of 2-3 rounds and say 'see, told you Manny won'..that's ridiculous....... I'm not saying by any means that Floyd beat Manny from pillar to post but tying up on the inside is what he does. Saying it in the dressing room is only a single part of his strategy that he's used for over a decade. The judges were not paid unless you believe that over 90% of the media, (boxing writers, HBO-Pac's network, FREDDY ROACH, etc.,), were also paid off?? And now, Pac fans are crying 'PED's PED's'?? And that's ok but when there were legit concerns about Manny jumping 17 pounds and knocking bigger guys out was somehow off-limits? GIVE THAT BS UP!!! C'mon......Pac brought NOTHING to that fight. He came in straight, used no angles. Frankly I think Floyd was a little surprised at Manny being so straight forward.....almost like he thought he was playing possum and would suddenly unleash his patented combos from all angles. Floyd controlled 10 of 12 rounds, 9 if you want to be nice to Pac. It was a typical Mayweather performance. Doing enough to win rounds convincingly, nothing more. The only way this was ever going to be an exciting fight.....and that was if Pac threw 60-70 punches per round and try to outwork Floyd, forcing Mayweather to put on his best. That didn't happen. Typical Floyd. Just because you didn't get hurt doesn't mean you won. Floyd threw more, landed more, controlled the space (ring generalship), better defense, and the last point, effective aggression? Manny was effective twice. Effective aggression was a non-factor on the cards...... If they fight again and Manny brings his 35-40 punches per round like he has in his last several fights, he has NO CHANCE. If he kicks into his old-style, all angles 70 punches per round, he'll at least have a chance to catch Floyd. But it's more likely he'll simply be open for more right hands, jabs to the body, and fall flat after the first few rounds. The fight itself wasn't close. It wasn't an "ass-whippin"......but I believe it would have been because Mayweather never got out of second gear. And he has 5 or 6. I was rooting for Pac. Would probably root for him IF they ever fought again. Problem is, no matter what Manny brings, Floyd will have an answer and I don't see Manny, who knocked him backwards twice but didn't hurt him, being able to do much more than he did. As for the 'Healthy Manny'?? That was him vs Bradley right? He still threw 40 punches per round. Manny is too cautious since the JMM KO. And because of that, can't win. And Mayweather, with a well timed right hand, could put him to sleep just as easily....... Floyd isn't a big banger. Largely due to hand problems. He had no problems banging it out at lower weights.....but if the opportunity came, he'd throw that right hand. But he is superior in about every area......he's a much smarter fighter, adapts better, can take a shot, and I saw Manny flailing to get at him at times but any time Floyd chose to walk him down moving forward, Manny did nothing. Whether it's now, five-six years ago, this was always going to be extremely difficult for Manny to win. IF he had a speed edge, Floyd takes that away with timing. And clenching has been done by every great fighter in every generation......and yes, as often and sometimes more than what Floyd does. Lateral movement is also not running. It forces your opponent to reset and sets the opponent up for jabs, check hooks, etc. as he comes back in. Fight wasn't close. Was never going to be close......I just hoped that SOMEONE would finally bring out the best in Floyd. With Manny's abilities, it should have been him......he didn't deliver. Fight was over early when he was tentatively throwing 35 shots per round in the first three.......you give Floyd a lead like that, you're not going to win. I'll give Manny all the props for being the most exciting fighter of the era, for always going balls out, for moving up all the way to 154 to beat Margarito (though I don't personally count that as a title fight given neither were ranked at the weight......Bob owns the WBO)...........but Manny is an all-time great. But it's also time for fans of Pacquiao to accept that Mayweather is also an all-time great. He was unfortunate that he didn't have a fighter near his level to bring out the absolute best in him.....because we never saw it. But what he did show, was repeated white-washing of all the best of his time........plain and simple. Floyd is the better boxer. You can argue about 'better fighter' or 'more pleasing to watch'.........but the talent difference is on Floyd's side. So unless Manny can do something impressive against an opponent more impressive than Jesse Vargas? Maybe he'll lure Floyd into another fight. Short of that, it's time for Pac fans to accept the fact that their guy failed to push Floyd. And with all the money made?? I'm disgusted on both sides. If Manny can't bring it like he did vs Cotto, etc., there is NO POINT in rematch. They are both too old and Manny is now nearly as cautious as Floyd. He can't beat him fighting like that........ Plenty of good fights out there. Can we put this one away for good now?? Or at least until they start getting serious about fighting again?? PLEASE???? First off that 9 minute clip is not in slow motion. It's just accumulated punches for 12 rounds compressed to a 9 minute clip. The in depth round by round vid that even dissects who truly connected is this one. Enjoy! Chronicles of the Biggest sports Heist in History When there is a crime you look at clues of events that transpired.You trace the evidences that are left. People Lie, but what doesn't lie are evidences trapped in time in a form of a video of the truth that transpired in that strange night of boxing. It's very obvious when you watch the fight that Mayweather was missing badly, but the judges were counting them. Slowmo video is meant to show who really connected in that round and who truly deserved it. It is even more accurate because you can tell which punches really connected throughout the fight. We need to spread this brilliant video so the fans can see who really won the fight. But I knew the fight was a joke from the beginning because Pacquiao wasn't gonna get his hands raised in Vegas. Here is the truth. The rounds that should have gone to Manny. Rounds that if it were counted correctly. It would have made it 9-4 for Pac, Since these 5 rounds in these videos were given to floyd, when in fact it shouldnt have. There are 5 videos, of 8 rounds, rounds 2,3,6,7,8,9,10,12 in these videos. Rounds 2,3,7,8,12 were given to Floyd unanimously (video disputed) Rounds 9,10 only 1 judge gave to Floyd (video disputed) Round 4 and 6 are unanimous to Pac on all 3 judges. The 7 rounds are in question. If Pac gets the 7 rounds plus the 2 unanimous rounds. It's a 9/3 Pac. Judge for yourself. Unbiased video showing all of landed shots of both parties per 3 minute round. Unedited, unspliced round by round documented shots. Enjoy! Pac was the true winner. Round 2 Round 3 Round 6,7,8 Those who want to dispute the author's work. Time stamp it and let's discuss, but I assure you it's all there in it's purest form. Enjoy!

Not this again lol...

Fakeiou? Bro I will cut my mullet off and wrap that sh*t around your feminine petite sized neck and choke you with it, then tie you up with it while I make you watch me and your wife make sweet love nectar until dawn Real talk That said I ain't even mad tho :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: we have a winner end thread Bro that's pretty much all I can gather from the fight. and it was so bad, almost makes me wish they would have never even fought. Lol

So.......we're gonna go off the conspiracy video that has a whole nine-minutes in slow motion that supposedly proves Manny won?? First, everything in context. You can't take what amount to a total of 2-3 rounds and say 'see, told you Manny won'..that's ridiculous....... I'm not saying by any means that Floyd beat Manny from pillar to post but tying up on the inside is what he does. Saying it in the dressing room is only a single part of his strategy that he's used for over a decade. The judges were not paid unless you believe that over 90% of the media, (boxing writers, HBO-Pac's network, FREDDY ROACH, etc.,), were also paid off?? And now, Pac fans are crying 'PED's PED's'?? And that's ok but when there were legit concerns about Manny jumping 17 pounds and knocking bigger guys out was somehow off-limits? GIVE THAT BS UP!!! C'mon......Pac brought NOTHING to that fight. He came in straight, used no angles. Frankly I think Floyd was a little surprised at Manny being so straight forward.....almost like he thought he was playing possum and would suddenly unleash his patented combos from all angles. Floyd controlled 10 of 12 rounds, 9 if you want to be nice to Pac. It was a typical Mayweather performance. Doing enough to win rounds convincingly, nothing more. The only way this was ever going to be an exciting fight.....and that was if Pac threw 60-70 punches per round and try to outwork Floyd, forcing Mayweather to put on his best. That didn't happen. Typical Floyd. Just because you didn't get hurt doesn't mean you won. Floyd threw more, landed more, controlled the space (ring generalship), better defense, and the last point, effective aggression? Manny was effective twice. Effective aggression was a non-factor on the cards...... If they fight again and Manny brings his 35-40 punches per round like he has in his last several fights, he has NO CHANCE. If he kicks into his old-style, all angles 70 punches per round, he'll at least have a chance to catch Floyd. But it's more likely he'll simply be open for more right hands, jabs to the body, and fall flat after the first few rounds. The fight itself wasn't close. It wasn't an "ass-whippin"......but I believe it would have been because Mayweather never got out of second gear. And he has 5 or 6. I was rooting for Pac. Would probably root for him IF they ever fought again. Problem is, no matter what Manny brings, Floyd will have an answer and I don't see Manny, who knocked him backwards twice but didn't hurt him, being able to do much more than he did. As for the 'Healthy Manny'?? That was him vs Bradley right? He still threw 40 punches per round. Manny is too cautious since the JMM KO. And because of that, can't win. And Mayweather, with a well timed right hand, could put him to sleep just as easily....... Floyd isn't a big banger. Largely due to hand problems. He had no problems banging it out at lower weights.....but if the opportunity came, he'd throw that right hand. But he is superior in about every area......he's a much smarter fighter, adapts better, can take a shot, and I saw Manny flailing to get at him at times but any time Floyd chose to walk him down moving forward, Manny did nothing. Whether it's now, five-six years ago, this was always going to be extremely difficult for Manny to win. IF he had a speed edge, Floyd takes that away with timing. And clenching has been done by every great fighter in every generation......and yes, as often and sometimes more than what Floyd does. Lateral movement is also not running. It forces your opponent to reset and sets the opponent up for jabs, check hooks, etc. as he comes back in. Fight wasn't close. Was never going to be close......I just hoped that SOMEONE would finally bring out the best in Floyd. With Manny's abilities, it should have been him......he didn't deliver. Fight was over early when he was tentatively throwing 35 shots per round in the first three.......you give Floyd a lead like that, you're not going to win. I'll give Manny all the props for being the most exciting fighter of the era, for always going balls out, for moving up all the way to 154 to beat Margarito (though I don't personally count that as a title fight given neither were ranked at the weight......Bob owns the WBO)...........but Manny is an all-time great. But it's also time for fans of Pacquiao to accept that Mayweather is also an all-time great. He was unfortunate that he didn't have a fighter near his level to bring out the absolute best in him.....because we never saw it. But what he did show, was repeated white-washing of all the best of his time........plain and simple. Floyd is the better boxer. You can argue about 'better fighter' or 'more pleasing to watch'.........but the talent difference is on Floyd's side. So unless Manny can do something impressive against an opponent more impressive than Jesse Vargas? Maybe he'll lure Floyd into another fight. Short of that, it's time for Pac fans to accept the fact that their guy failed to push Floyd. And with all the money made?? I'm disgusted on both sides. If Manny can't bring it like he did vs Cotto, etc., there is NO POINT in rematch. They are both too old and Manny is now nearly as cautious as Floyd. He can't beat him fighting like that........ Plenty of good fights out there. Can we put this one away for good now?? Or at least until they start getting serious about fighting again?? PLEASE????

What are you talking about going by the public? I saw the fight with my own eyes Mayweather won there was no controversy and whats the case for Pac winning? Slow motion videos? Ridiculous that people have to resort to that get over it these pac fans are insane JMM had to almost kill him to get ppl to accept he won It makes me laugh after all these years of talking saying manny will destroy floyd and he didnt do jack sh*t Floyd clearly dictated the fight because it wasnt the fight manny or his fans expected or wanted it to be now the history books show Floyd won and all this crying and forensic videos wont change it This guy saw it too. Nacho about Floyd: The kid caved. Over defensive on the most important fight of his life. "He knew he was supported by the judges to give a luck luster fight." "He (floyd) lost so much credibility" "the only one throwing punches was Pacquiao" "how can they gave the rounds to a guy who even looks ridiculous running away scared?" "or giving hugs to turn off the fight?" # rematch written all over the place. Floyd needs to redeem himself with this poor display of boxing.

You can't use that as the rubric to determine how a boxing is won, that's arbitrary and BS. You go by the official rules. You can't set up in that context just because you believe what the public thought. No, as a boxing match Mayweather ran, held and fought scared, terrified of throwing combos. He fought out of character and used smoke and mirrors to get a cheap win. It wasn't a Mayweather win by definition. It was a scam. What are you talking about going by the public? I saw the fight with my own eyes Mayweather won there was no controversy and whats the case for Pac winning? Slow motion videos? Ridiculous that people have to resort to that get over it these pac fans are insane JMM had to almost kill him to get ppl to accept he won It makes me laugh after all these years of talking saying manny will destroy floyd and he didnt do jack sh*t Floyd clearly dictated the fight because it wasnt the fight manny or his fans expected or wanted it to be now the history books show Floyd won and all this crying and forensic videos wont change it

It was just another fight for floyd. All you manny fans are the ones that hyped his ass up as if he was going to do something different. Not floyds fault, he just did he always said he would do. It was easy work. Blame the media and manny fans for the hype manny couldnt live up to. Deluded as always. Lets face it no one whooped anyone's ass. This was not a real boxing match. This was a big hit for boxing as a sport. But it would have been best if the referee called the fight off after the 7th rd. The best outcome would have been a no decision. TBE?! The Bestrunner Ever!!!Hugging and running is called boxing?!How can you hit Mayweather when he is running fast like a ferrari?!LOL!!! Nothing to be proud of really. All that was an exercise of how to rip of boxing fans. https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRATRLnr1-MkIPw06hZS_BXVqOhuqoaeLZq3GuqIUz76E6SK7CKLyzBQZsd5A

4th and 5th videos here: Floyd about Manny: When Floyd was asked who was his top three toughest opponent, he was quoted by boxingscene.com: "I can say that none of them were easy. Although I must say that Canelo was tough....Miguel Cotto . Manny Pacquiao was very tough. Pacquiao is very good. He was better than I thought." Round 9,10 Round 12 Nacho about Floyd: The kid caved. Over defensive on the most important fight of his life. "He knew he was supported by the judges to give a luck luster fight." "He (floyd) lost so much credibility" "the only one throwing punches was Pacquiao" "how can they gave the rounds to a guy who even looks ridiculous running away scared?" "or giving hugs to turn off the fight?" # rematch written all over the place. Floyd needs to redeem himself with this poor display of boxing.

I think you've actually told yourself this fvcking lie so many times you now accept it as fact. Ugly fight but that doesn't change the fact Floyd landed more punches and won more round thus winning the fight. Get the fvck over it already. You wish.. but the evidences are just a click away. All access to who connected more is all trapped in a form of a video. in reference to other sports: A 3 pointer in the nba is a rewind away to know if it's a legit 3 pointer. An outside bounce of the ball for both tennis and NBA can be seen in a replay. A lot of sports are using rewind to see what transpired. Now to see who really connected more throughout the fight. Here's a thororugh breakdown of the fight. Unedited/ unspliced, 3 minute of every round dissected for the world to see. And here it is: Chronicles of the Biggest sports Heist in History When there is a crime you look at clues of events that transpired.You trace the evidences that are left. People Lie, but what doesn't lie are evidences trapped in time in a form of a video of the truth that transpired in that strange night of boxing. It's very obvious when you watch the fight that Mayweather was missing badly, but the judges were counting them. Slowmo video is meant to show who really connected in that round and who truly deserved it. It is even more accurate because you can tell which punches really connected throughout the fight. We need to spread this brilliant video so the fans can see who really won the fight. But I knew the fight was a joke from the beginning because Pacquiao wasn't gonna get his hands raised in Vegas. Here is the truth. The rounds that should have gone to Manny. Rounds that if it were counted correctly. It would have made it 9-4 for Pac, Since these 5 rounds in these videos were given to floyd, when in fact it shouldnt have. There are 5 videos, of 8 rounds, rounds 2,3,6,7,8,9,10,12 in these videos. Rounds 2,3,7,8,12 were given to Floyd unanimously (video disputed) Rounds 9,10 only 1 judge gave to Floyd (video disputed) Round 4 and 6 are unanimous to Pac on all 3 judges. The 7 rounds are in question. If Pac gets the 7 rounds plus the 2 unanimous rounds. It's a 9/3 Pac. Judge for yourself. Unbiased video showing all of landed shots of both parties per 3 minute round. Unedited, unspliced round by round documented shots. Enjoy! Pac was the true winner. Round 2 Round 3 Round 6,7,8 Those who want to dispute the author's work. Time stamp it and let's discuss, but I assure you it's all there in it's purest form. Enjoy!

The most boring "Big Fight" since Holyfield vs Lewis in November of '99. But I still blame Pac more than I do Floyd. Floyd is gonna fight the way he does, and it is the burden of his opponent to make things more interesting. Penetrate his defense, force him out of his element, etc. and you might have an exciting fight on your hands. Castillo did it, Judah did it, Cotto kinda did it, Maidana did it the first time around, etc. Pac failed to do it, even after years and years of hype. I'm not a Mayweather fanboy, but at least cast the blame (the bulk of it anyway) where it belongs.

Scoring criteria: 1- Clean punching 2- Ring generalship 3- Effective Aggression 4- Defense Mayweather CLEARLY won. I'm not even a Mayweather fan, but you're either blind or trolling. All you said kinda ends up going to the guy in Asia.. breakdown as follows: Defense, What is it all about? Do you have great defense if you got hit more? Nope! Ring Generalship, do you have great ring generalship if the whole time you are running around away from the center of the ring? Nope! Did Floyd win in his home town Vegas? Yes Did Floyd deserve the win for that controversial fight when evidence points out who truly connected more per round that night was actually not floyd the running hugging queer boxer, but the guy from ASIA.. Does Floyd deserve that win for that poor showing? Answer: A RESOUNDING NOPE! You truly are the true winner that night PAC. You can raise your head high for what Floyd got that night was an empty win. Punching to connect is the name of the game in boxing. I have shown proof Pac connected the more clean and effective punching that night, not to mention the more punches per rounds in this fight. That said. To have effective aggression, you have to hit your opponent with clean effective punching, more so than your opponent per round. - Pac did Ring generalship- ring generalship is he who controls the center of the ring and controls his opponent to place him were he wants him to be and while doing that landing the more effective blows than his opponent. - Pac again did that. He commanded the center of the ring pushed Floyd back whenever he wants to over and over to the ropes for 12 rounds while doing so also landed the cleaner more effective punches. Defense- defense is to not get hit, so who did get hit more throughout the fight? As I have proven in this thread Floyd got hit more per round. Shows who's defense had more holes. Clean and effective punching: It means those punches landed with intent and the gravity of the punches is how you measure it's significance per round. Even if you have aggression if you can't hit your opponent effectively your aggression is not an effective aggression. Even if you have ring generalship, but you can't land effectively on your opponent then your ring generalship ain't that great. Defense, if you get hit more than your opponent. Then your defense is weaker than your opponent. You cannot have good ring generalship, good defense, effective aggression if you hit less than your opponent. Pac did that with flying colors. He Landed the significant punches, landed the cleaner more effective punches and above all landed the more punches. I've shown proof landed the more significant punches per rounds that were disputed is actually Pac's!

Scoring criteria: 1- Clean punching 2- Ring generalship 3- Effective Aggression 4- Defense Mayweather CLEARLY won. I'm not even a Mayweather fan, but you're either blind or trolling.

Floyd's win should be changed to a no contest. Manny should keep his L though, he let everyone and himself down. But judging by the way some fans act, you would think that Floyd beat Pac from pillar to post and gave him the most one sided savage beating of all-time. It was close to a stalemate. Neighter guy did much of anything. It was a touching contest. I agree it should be changed to a no contest due to floyd taking that illegal iv. There is no excuse for cheating

Mayweather won easily but there wasn't anything impressive about Mayweather's performance IMO either. He landed like 10 punches a round and took a big drop performance wise compared to any other opponent he's faced.

Pac threw lots of clunky punches, similar to Porter against Thurman. Floyd was more clean. Just because Pac threw a million punches doesn't mean he won. People think boxing is rock em sock em robots, it's not. Clean punches win the fight Mayweather's punches weren't even connecting clean, most landed on arms and were grazing. Pac's shots on the other hand were connecting way cleaner.

Spoon, Floyd doesn't have to redeem anything. He was never gonna get credit for 05/02/2015. A KO would be, Manny got kayoed by Marquez. A lopsided domination, fought him too late. A defensive fight, he too scared. Nobody saw the lame shoulder excuse though. Before the fight Manny said: Those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. How Ironic The best part was actually, when Pacquiao said "God will deliver him unto my hands". :lol1: :lol1: