People are underrating Fury's skills

:lol1: :lol1: :pat: ffs They fought on equal terms. It was a hard close fight. A prime Chisora would have defeated Pulev, but Pulev won on the night.

Exactly. Many great technicians have been knocked down a few times. Even Andre Ward. Fury's defense has seen mad improvements, which is obvious when looking at his last 3 fights. Chisora is on the same level as Pulev, yet Fury toyed with him. :lol1: :lol1: :pat: ffs

It's funny how many people point to his fight with Pajkic, when he was 23, or against Cunningham when he 24 and both of which he didn't have Peter Fury and fought both in a different style to what he's done in recently. Exactly. Many great technicians have been knocked down a few times. Even Andre Ward. Fury's defense has seen mad improvements, which is obvious when looking at his last 3 fights. Chisora is on the same level as Pulev, yet Fury toyed with him.

Louis was in position bc most of his opposition stood directly in front of him ,look what Conn was able to do just by moving around . If Louis fought Fury 5 times he probably loses 5 times with exception of maybe getting 1 win if Louis lands on a over confidant Fury but Louis has never knocked out anyone like Fury who is 250 plus 6'9 (i feel i have to keep reminding ) and has an actual jab ,Fury is not a slow moving clumsy guy of the Louis era . Joshua is a 6'6 250 pound aggressive punching machine who fights with more ripping shots on the inside or outside than Louis ever did they are not comparable ..... Joshua k.os Fury ! You, my friend, just wrote such a factually correct post that it could have been written by me :boxing:

It's funny how many people point to his fight with Pajkic, when he was 23, or against Cunningham when he 24 and both of which he didn't have Peter Fury and fought both in a different style to what he's done in recently.

Louis was in position bc most of his opposition stood directly in front of him ,look what Conn was able to do just by moving around . If Louis fought Fury 5 times he probably loses 5 times with exception of maybe getting 1 win if Louis lands on a over confidant Fury but Louis has never knocked out anyone like Fury who is 250 plus 6'9 (i feel i have to keep reminding ) and has an actual jab ,Fury is not a slow moving clumsy guy of the Louis era . Joshua is a 6'6 250 pound aggressive punching machine who fights with more ripping shots on the inside or outside than Louis ever did they are not comparable ..... Joshua k.os Fury ! By Louis' era's standards Fury is pretty stationary to be honest. He didnt have the footwork, agility or coordination of someone like Conn thats for sure (someone who was ko'd twice, I feel i have to keep reminding). His height is an advantage, but for real. Watch the Wlad fight back and keep an eye on Fury when he tries to throw punches (especially power punches) he is all over the place. So so open its unreal. This was Fury at his most cautious, most motivated, and he still has these huge fundamental flaws in his game. Im sorry but Louis is seeing these flaws. He's seeing them quickly, and he's working out how to capitalize. Id be very surprised if Fury made the final bell

Come on now ,we BOTH know when Wlad wins that will be the excuse :cool2: ..... the punch count will tell the story if they both showed up . We'll have to wait and see. I can't see Fury losing tbh.

Also Tom I'd be willing to bet my house on Fury having much better stamina than AJ. I can just see AJ as a gasser waiting to happen. Somebody's just got to force a pace, make him miss and catch him for a few rounds. Who knows if Fury's stamina is down to PEDS though. We'll have to wait as the case isn't settled on that. Stamina is a huge question over AJ i agree. Hes looked pretty good through 7 rnds though. His footwork too, though, if he uses his feet right (much like Louis did) he wont need to quickest feet. His chin and defence have also yet to be really tested. Until he fights a top guy and beats them I would pick Fury tbh. But i think Joshua is developing into the type of fighter who would beat Fury. I see him landing these check left hooks and pull counter rights, baiting with the jab etc etc. He's looking really good imo and every fight you see new skills and techniques that he has clearly been practicing in the gym, techniques that we typically dont see from modern super heavys

. Also Tom I'd be willing to bet my house on Fury having much better stamina than AJ. I can just see AJ as a gasser waiting to happen. Somebody's just got to force a pace, make him miss and catch him for a few rounds. Who knows if Fury's stamina is down to PEDS though. We'll have to wait as the case isn't settled on that.

The worst thing about all this speculation is that Tyson is seemingly so unstable that he could come out and be a completely different person in his next fight. He may not be interested anymore or who knows what. I can't say he'll have a massively long reign as champ because I don't know if his head's in it.

Yes being smaller vs a giant would make it more difficult in Louis stationary stance , Fury would have to run into something and has before but a smart Fury would almost always win . Louis was the better technical puncher but it means little here , if we are comparing who was knocked out cold maybe you missed those fights? You call Louis stationary but he almost always in position to land big shots. Only Conn (in terms of outside fighters) really took that away from him for significant periods and he was KO'd twice. Carnera had an 85 inch reach and tried to keep Louis at the end of his jab, he got slaughtered for his troubles. By counters no less. Now, Carnera was sh*t, we know this. But it shows what a significant skill, timing and technique advantage can do to a reach advantage. Fury has only had one world level fight against a guy whose style was absolutely nailed on perfect for him, and he still hardly set the world alight with the performance. Lets see how he looks going forward, though im not sold at all on the likes of Wilder, Parker or Joshua yet if we are talking all time talent. Joshua looks the best to me, at least, he has the biggest room to improve, and most potential to do so. I think if Joshua can get at least a fight or two vs top 10 opp before fighting Fury then he probably beats him, and i suspect on a ko too.

Wlad hasnt thrown a counter punch his whole career. The holes are still there trust me. If Joshua keeps developing his counter punching he will likely knock Fury out. Difficult to tell where he is at at the moment due to opposition level No can do sir. I saw the difference between Chisora 1 and 2. You're right about Wlad though. I was just talking about catching Fury, not countering. When Cunningham put Fury down cause he got careless, it didn't happen again. Same with Paijkic. They could have just countered him again according to that logic. He took risks in the little fights because he could but as we saw vs Klitschko he takes fewer in the bigger ones. AJ is nowhere near yet and Fury wouldn't take the risk of getting caught. He'd box smart and keep him at range, move around, jab his head off and tie him up on the inside.

Yeah you're right. He's sh*t. Just a lucky guy. It's not cause Fury took the Wlad fight serious that Wlad couldn't do this, and that he never used to take training or fights seriously... Wlad hasnt thrown a counter punch his whole career. The holes are still there trust me. If Joshua keeps developing his counter punching he will likely knock Fury out. Difficult to tell where he is at at the moment due to opposition level

I think it's very hard and almost impossible to judge a current heavyweight v one from 30+ years ago. It's a totally different game now where your average heavyweight seems to be 6'5" and 250lbs+ or so. David Haye is considered a very small HW and he's 6'3" and 225lbs. Back in the day that might have been considered an average-fairly big and tall heavyweight.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-25-2015/fMIXq3.gif So difficult to time though Yeah you're right. He's sh*t. Just a lucky guy. It's not cause Fury took the Wlad fight serious that Wlad couldn't do this, and that he never used to take training or fights seriously...

My prediction rate is still 100%. Yeah, not if he fights AJ soon, unless you give it to Fury.

Waiting for BUM excuses. http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-25-2015/fMIXq3.gif So difficult to time though

Hey British brother! Somehow I thought you'd be here. As usual, on this subject we'll have to agree to disagree. Yep, no problem with that.

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You're finally coming around! My prediction rate is still 100%.