Joe Louis's resume vs. Tyson Fury's resume

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Who's better... Tommy Hearns or Paul Williams? They're both skinny black guys so it's a fair comparison.

Is this a joke? You may aswell compare Willard to Marciano!

Sorry but you watched the fight with blind folds on , Haye through the entire fight jumped in and out with failed attempts ... yea sure i need your help you have me confused with your neighbor next door , !:trink26: LOL you're entitled to your opinion. If you ever need a tip just message me. I'm off for a bit. Ruin ya later.

You are a fool Haye did exactly the in and out style and Povetkin had no options but to try and brawl after tasting those jabs he was n ever going to get around . Joshua is a boxer /puncher who goes forward and tries to end fights quick that is a pressure fighter that has NOTHING to do with being a boxer /puncher .....again kiddo boxing 101 Haye was getting clinched and falling over. He didn't work successfully on the inside even though, like I said, he had his opportunities. I'm not a fool I make good money knowing this, and I'm helping you out so maybe you can make a bit.

Thats so dumb ,what small fighter ever worked inside Wlad with success ? Did you see the Haye fight? Byrd? You may be able to out smart Corso bc hes stuck in a time warp but im not him and you are a fool to suggest a smaller guy trying to weave in and out against Wlad is the way to beat him . My last sentence suggests you are BOTH blind ,boy you really are a dope which why i ranked you number 4 worst poster and Corso number ONE ,which is the only guy that can make most look good on here even you !:dunce::dunce::dunce: LOL, a small guy would have to weave in and out, he can't just walk inside. Case in point Povetkin. Haye had the opportunity and the movement to cause problems but he wasted it. Broken toe eh? BTW, Joshua is a boxer puncher. He's fought like a slugger vs some overmatched stationary opponents. Every good fighter can steamroll bums.

box meet juggynuts you two were made for one another! Continue by all means bye That's a shame Ray, I really expected more of an answer from someone like you. The fact you thought Pacquiao beat Floyd makes me guess that you judge fights by outdated standards from the 60's when there was more action and fighting was preferred over pure boxing, like a crowd judge or something. Fury moves around awkwardly and the Wlad fight was Less engaging. I guess that's why you don't rate him.

Well you are pretzel twisting now ,nothing you stated has anything to do with you telling me PRESSURE is not the way to beat Klitchko ,because it is whether you want to admit it or not and its always been the case no matter how Klitchko prepared or used an inside clinch often when he got accosustomed to it . You were simply wrong and if you had left my quotes up you would still have them there if you thought you were right! Wlads weakness is and always will be pressure fighters ( that doesnt mean he cant nuetralize them) ,and Joshua at 6'6 whos BIGGER than Wlad wont be manhandled on the INSIDE like Povetkin and will have the advantage bc he is VERY effective ripping shots with power from short distances in a short space , the funny thing is you act like ray cant see when you are doing the same thing here ! Haye ,Byrd ,Chambers etc were ALL slick boxers when Wlad fought them and couldn't do ANYTHING from the outside bc NO ONE out boxes Wlad from the outside because he had reach ,speed and precise technical power punches with accuracy (Jennings turned into a living sticky glue and attached himself to Wlad half the fight to avoid getting hit flush ). Forcing Wlad out of rythm is the only way to defeat him and up until a 6'9 giant with longer reach no one was able to keep Klitchko at bay bc they didnt have those physical attributes to have a choice of going in or staying outside where Wlad is the most DANGEROUS ! Wlads losses and knock downs have come with PRESSURE not technical boxing or jab wars....you either are as blind as ray or are playing stupid ( though im not sure you are playing )...which one? :cool2: The only thing getting twisted like a pretzel is you and your failed arguements. Wlad's weakness is NOT pressure fighters. Wlad's weakness is small fighters with really good mobility who can work their way inside and out, and larger boxers who can outbox him or beat him to the punch. Joshua is not a pressure fighter LOL. Also you're saying that I 'act like ray can't see' and then a sentence down you call him blind yourself. Talk about confused...

box meet juggynuts you two were made for one another! Continue by all means bye

Lets see, Fury fought an old slow Klitschko and Louis fought Max Baer, Sharkey, Jersey Joe Walcott, Primo Carnera, and several other legendary heavyweights. Close one! lol

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Yea and? Do you think anyone at that time had a choice to try and not rush in to crowd Wlad ? Do you think Peters ,Brewster or Povetkin out boxes Wlad from the outside ? You are a fool really bc out side Fury you really are lost bc you really dont understand when Wlads opponents start to get punished from the outside with his jab they try to go inside to avoid less damage and give him less delivery power on his punches bc the end of Wlads shots is where his power comes from even hooks like the leaping left he nailed Pulev with ....boxing 101 Sorry mate you cant twist reality !:boxing: Nope I don't think they out box Wlad from the outside, and they couldn't work their way inside properly. That's why they lost. If they could move well and were slick enough, they could have forced him to fight small on the outside, or worked their way in around the jab, but they couldn't. Emmanuel Steward's new style allowed Klit to batter them as they tried to force their way inside, and clinch them like crazy if they ended up there Hence the nickname klinchko and hence why Wlad's weakness is certainly NOT pressure fighters anymore. It's really simple if a small guy isn't slick he's not going to win on the outside, as the longer reach will always catch him first.

It doesnt matter when he changed anything we are talking about Wlad period and no ,he was with Steward when most knock downs occured which is still irrelevant bc the way to defeat Wlad is to pressure him ,you are to dumb to get it .:wow: Nope sorry mate, you're wrong there. After Peters 1 Steward came up with a style plan to stop him suffering at the hands of these fighters as his chin was shown to be weak and he was not doing well on the inside. Thats why after Wlad perfected it, he was able to batter Peters in the rematch. :boxing:

Box you need to look into my archives on this forum as to my past in the sport! I opened my gym in 1969-70 and it remains open to this day run by one of the young men who I trained in the mid 80's. I'm a former Region 1 USA/ABF coach and coached at the Olympic Training Center in Colo. Springs with Pat Nappi and many others. I have trained state, regional and national champions and have worked with and against world boxing pro champions. My opinions on based on actual experiences working in the sport not reading forums. Tyson Fury is a green very inexperienced boxer who prefers to talk big as opposed to fight big. His claim to fame is that he is a 6'8" who can actually move around a ring without stumbling. Lets wait and see him navigate some pressure and come off the ground to dominate before we anoint him a great boxer. He beat a 40 year old old man who didn't want to engage because he was used to bums coming to him. By bums I mean men who don't give max efforts! good luck with your on line "sparring"! :boxing: Ray Well Ray I can't boast anything better than that. Well done. But, I wouldn't want to be trained by you if you are of the opinion that the current heavyweight champ of the world has little to no skills when he clearly does. Surely that's going to get your fighter beat when they put trust in you! I am quite frankly amazed that a man of your credentials and level of understanding of the sport cannot see it. I guess trainers get old too. I really don't know why as I've never seen it personally. I respect that you have a gym and have trained fighters to those levels so I'm guessing you just don't watch Fury enough (I'd go with this out of respect). Fury has come off the ground twice to win, I would recommend the Cunningham fight (I know he was a blown-up cruiser, Tyson got caught being lazy). No reply to the points I made regarding Tyson's skills?! I judged you as a regular-fan forum poster based on your Fury comments (and I've encountered so many), but can you just answer me this as an (ex)coach: Can a very green and very inexperienced boxer defend the WBO International heavyweight title against a top 20 ranked opponent in the opposite stance to that which he fights in? And also by KO?? (Christian Hammer) You obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to training fighters and boxing history but you are making a mistake here, just like I made a mistake with terminology and exaggeration, which you called me out on... I'm just returning the favour. Tyson can fight at a world class level in both stances, has good all round movement, fast hands and feet, good movement, great stamina for a man of his size, fights good on the outside and inside, ties up better than anyone at HW, can punch hard, fights awkward and can counter any style effectively. To say this man has no skill just seems beyond crazy to me, and I can only guess that either you lose the eye for that kind of thing once you get older or you simply don't watch him much. You've gotta clear this up for me Ray, I am dumbfounded.

Box you need to look into my archives on this forum as to my past in the sport! I opened my gym in 1969-70 and it remains open to this day run by one of the young men who I trained in the mid 80's. I'm a former Region 1 USA/ABF coach and coached at the Olympic Training Center in Colo. Springs with Pat Nappi and many others. I have trained state, regional and national champions and have worked with and against world boxing pro champions. My opinions on based on actual experiences working in the sport not reading forums. Tyson Fury is a green very inexperienced boxer who prefers to talk big as opposed to fight big. His claim to fame is that he is a 6'8" who can actually move around a ring without stumbling. Lets wait and see him navigate some pressure and come off the ground to dominate before we anoint him a great boxer. He beat a 40 year old old man who didn't want to engage because he was used to bums coming to him. By bums I mean men who don't give max efforts! good luck with your on line "sparring"! :boxing: Ray

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Don't really care to get into a back and forth argument b0x because I am still at work, but I wouldn't say Floyd perfected it as much as he added his own flavor to it. Floyd's style is heavily influenced by his father and also his uncle. I wouldn't call it a perfection of the philly shell, both Toney and Floyd have similar variations but both still do subtle "mistakes" without paying for them. I have studied Floyd's style for many years as a student of the game and while I have definitely added elements to my game from his, the fact remains that he relies on agility and reflexes and sacrifices balance more than you really "need" to using a philly variation, but he was intelligent enough and savvy enough to never really pay for it. The philly shell in its purest form sacrifices no balance and uses more subtle movements. Guys like Toney, Sweet Pea, and Floyd all exaggerated certain movements at the cost of balance which is awesome to watch but also dangerous in practice. Anyway, i'm nitpiking at this point, the brewing war between you and Ray Corso is kicking off and will prove to be entertaining. http://replygif.net/i/123.gif Yes I agree with your point on the Philly shell. That's what I meant in my post about styles and so on evolving and getting better. I would say that as a out-fighting counterpuncher with incredible reflexes, Floyds little 'mistakes' often draw an opportunity, however, some are genuinely just mistakes LOL. Check out from 8 mins on in this video, made me chuckle.

Resume Louis. H2H Fury would mop the floor with him, genetics even though he's inbred.

Don't really care to get into a back and forth argument b0x because I am still at work, but I wouldn't say Floyd perfected it as much as he added his own flavor to it. Floyd's style is heavily influenced by his father and also his uncle. I wouldn't call it a perfection of the philly shell, both Toney and Floyd have similar variations but both still do subtle "mistakes" without paying for them. I have studied Floyd's style for many years as a student of the game and while I have definitely added elements to my game from his, the fact remains that he relies on agility and reflexes and sacrifices balance more than you really "need" to using a philly variation, but he was intelligent enough and savvy enough to never really pay for it. The philly shell in its purest form sacrifices no balance and uses more subtle movements. Guys like Toney, Sweet Pea, and Floyd all exaggerated certain movements at the cost of balance which is awesome to watch but also dangerous in practice. Anyway, i'm nitpiking at this point, the brewing war between you and Ray Corso is kicking off and will prove to be entertaining. http://replygif.net/i/123.gif

box...."I don't mean as in different rules. I mean that modern fighters are trained to react to certain changes in an opponents stance and so on a lot better. Back then many people who fought a certain opponent would have been surprised by a change in tactics as everything was new back then, and they would go away and think about how to counter it for months. It was like the beginning stages of the evolution of specific styles back then. It is much more refined now which may be why you don't see the same level of versatility in today's fighters. They would have been doing things that they didn't realise were not optimal for the primary styles they were using and so on." Doesn't get any more full of crap than this dribble :lame: This is a boxing forum that will counter garbage like this quickly, stop insulting "former boxers" and exposing yourself as a BS'er! Absolute garbage...:trink26: Ray Ray, whilst looking at that now and realising I used the wrong terminology and exaggerated on the months bit, you must understand that I have been forced to dumb down my explanations of technical aspects for casuals and failed boxers (who follow me around and fill 90% of these forums), at least one of which you may be yourself. How about this: Boxers nowadays are trained better to counter certain styles and see when they are being set up for certain danger shots those styles present (but not all the time, case in point moorer foreman which was more an example of experience vs youth cause teddy saw it), and they have a better idea of what to expect when facing someone with a certain style or stance and better game plans to counter them. Of course, I am comparing averages. Today's average vs the average from 60 years ago. Similarly today's elite vs 60 years ago elites. An average guy from today would still get destroyed by a good fighter from 60 years ago. The change is NOT that dramatic. Sure, Floyd didn't invent the shoulder roll, but he took the Philly shell / Michigan defense of a SRR or Whittaker and perfected it. My guess is you are a long time fan of boxing (maybe over 30 years) but you are an old dinosaur veteran that hasn't noticed the subtle changes in the evolution of boxing along the route to today, and you still go on about the 'glory days' and how your favourite fighter when you were younger would have beat everyone today. How about YOU stop insulting current boxers, like the post where you act all surprised as if tyson fury has no skill at all. Age does not equal entitlement. Let me remind you as a knowledgeable young buck of 25 that the very nature of this world is change. Things evolve for the better or they get left behind with the dust. The legends of yesterday would still be great, but not the same legends today. I think a lot of the older generation do know this but they're too proud to admit it. Because along with being better, each newer generation also has a lot worse faults. I know time is the greatest teacher, but not every old person is/was a good pupil. I still wish you all the best Ray, I respect the older generation and the way they paved for us. A lot of people my age don't though and it's a shame. We couldn't have done it without you! Around the 8:00 Minute mark. Don't take my word for it. Benn's got it down to a tee!! Tyson Fury doesn't belong in the same sentence with Joe Louis! If you can't see the differences in the skill level of these men you need to take up watching bowling! Even that might have to much technique for you to grasp, and by "you" I mean any one who compares a Tyson Fury to a Joe Louis. Fury does NOTHING better than hit himself compared to Louis. Louis will be a top five heavy for many more years and Fury along with his "best" win will be forgotten very soon! Ray Ok show me where Joe louis ties up as well on the inside? Can you tell me where he came out and fought in the opposite stance for an entire fight and dominated thouroughly, despite never doing so previously? Can you also show me where Joe Louis does a better (faster or more accurate) pull counter than this? https://s32.postimg.org/8pedgvjd1/SLOWPC.gif I look forward to your reply and there's plenty more if you can address those three points coherently first. b0x