Should Robeisy Ramirez defect from Cuba and turn pro?

Who wouldn't want to face a 3 time Olympic gold medalist? He will get a title shot on entry into the pro game and he will be ready. Well, there is a 2 time olympic and world championship and 3 times world cup gold medalist at 122 that nobody wants to fight

I look forward to following his career if he turns pro. Think he'd be much more entertaining than Rigo and Lara. Although it'd gotta be hard to defect especially if you have family and stuff you don't want to leave behind I see Robeisy having a much more fan-friendly style than either of those two. He's aggressive as an amateur. I believe he'll be at least as aggressive as a pro. Excuse my ignorance, but I am not American nor Cuban. When Cuban's defect, does that make them illegal immigrants in the USA? Current US policy treats Cubans landing on US soil essentially as political dissidents. They are given expedited permanent residency, and eventually allowed to become citizens. That may change as the two countries resume political relations.

If you can get the f*ck out of Cuba, DO SO.

Excuse my ignorance, but I am not American nor Cuban. When Cuban's defect, does that make them illegal immigrants in the USA?

I look forward to following his career if he turns pro. Think he'd be much more entertaining than Rigo and Lara. Although it'd gotta be hard to defect especially if you have family and stuff you don't want to leave behind

thing is while in cuba he makes probably around $100 a month, which is 4,5 times what cubans normally make and if gets injured or out of the team for whatever reason, he'd de left with nothing for the rest of his life, i wish he'd leave soon, try to get good fights in the pros and saves some money for his coming years, and of course as a fan i'd like to see him fight the best

What if the division he enters is too hot to be fast tracked????? Who wouldn't want to face a 3 time Olympic gold medalist? He will get a title shot on entry into the pro game and he will be ready.

You obviously know way more than me about this, but the impression i get from many if these guys is that they extremely patriotic and loyal to 'Cuba' but that doesn't necessarily extend to the Cuban regime. Like Rigo and Lara always wears Cuban shorts yet they defected to go make money for themselves in the US Hello Tom. You're right. Like most everyone else, Cuban athletes love their country and their culture, but that's a far cry from supporting the government and its ways. I like to see Cubans sporting the island's flag on their trunks. Lara and most of the other defectors do it. Rigo did in the beginning, but in his last few fights, he seems to have stopped "repping." No sure what that means, but I find it a little selfish.

I rate him highly mate, I think he has a great mix of defence and offence, mixed with a massive skill set and ring intelligence. I have no doubt he could make it work if he has the right people around him and learns how to promote himself before its too late. I loved watching him when he was in the London Olympics and have kept an eye out for him since, was looking forward to seeing him in Rio, I've still not got round to seeing him vs Stevenson yet, was looking forward to it but was busy when it was on, I remember being pissed when Conlan got robbed because him vs Stevenson would of been great and then the winner against Ramirez in the final - such a shame corruption ruined what could have been a good set of match ups. As for fighting for Cuba, I got that vibe from the very few interviews there are of him, and the perception I get form their culture (you would know far more about that than me though, I'm just guessing really), and yeah I could imagine defecting at 22 would be difficult. I first saw Robeisy at London 2012 myself. I was impressed, but, admitedly, not as impressed afterwards. I think Ramirez is very good; I just thought he'd have progressed more by now. I've seen some of his work since London, a couple of his WSB bouts and portions of the Stevenson fight. He doesn't seem as dominant as I'd like. I dunno...maybe I'm just being a "dad." Lol It's a damn shame what they did to Conlon, taking a kid's dreams away like that. It's criminal. And you're right, the judges not only robbed Conlon, they robbed the fans. Utterly disgraceful.

Nah, this will be bad for Cuba. The best for Cuba is to go the China way. Believe me, if Cuba would go full capitalism it will be a disaster for its level of culture, education, medicine and sport. Look what happened with former USSR. If Cuba becomes a fully capitalist western state there will be no Cuban boxing, the boxing system will collapse, right after the collapse of the government. Was talking purely about boxing mate :fing02:

Ramirez must be the youngest ever two time boxing gold medalist right?

:lol1::lol1::lol1: What' wrong with you?

The dream is that Cuba becomes a fully capitalist western state Nah, this will be bad for Cuba. The best for Cuba is to go the China way. Believe me, if Cuba would go full capitalism it will be a disaster for its level of culture, education, medicine and sport. Look what happened with former USSR. If Cuba becomes a fully capitalist western state there will be no Cuban boxing, the boxing system will collapse, right after the collapse of the government.

He has the style of a career amateur.Let him collect gold medals. No. He has a rare style for an amateur - sharp precise punches, beautiful combinations, bodyshots, inside fighting. He would be one of the most exciting fighters in the pro.

No I think he should try to win a 3rd Gold Medal I kinda want to see him go for that 3rd Gold in 2020 personally, he will only be 26 even after those Olympics If he does that then they probably will allow him to go pro without having to Defect

What if the division he enters is too hot to be fast tracked????? Rigo was fast tracked in a divison with Donaire, Mares and Santa Cruz and was able to become unified/lineal champion in 12 fights. If you're THAT good you will rise to the top.

A lot of interesting points Made in this thread, I can definitely see the argument for him waiting another 4 years, age is on his side which is good and moving to the US could be less complicated. Still, with his talent it seems like it's time to move onto bigger and better things. Pbp you're right that he could be fast tracked in 2020 like loma or rigo to win a title but those two's careers (especially Rigo) seem to have stagnated since their signature wins over Russel and Donaire. I reckon turning pro now gives him more superstar potential, he could probably win a title in 15-20 fights which he still pretty quick and a fight with Shakur would be huge and easy to sell, all that and he's STILL in his mid 20's. Will he even be motivated to stay another 4 years to win gold is the main thing, he's been there done that twice at an age most haven't even done once at his age.

Robeisy strikes me as pretty aggressive. I think he has the temperament and consequent fighting style to make it as a pro. Ramirez appears to be very patriotic, as many athletes competing at the Olympics seem to be. However, I don't think he's necessarily "fighting for Cuba." And you are correct. Defecting is tough, especially for such a tou ng man. You obviously know way more than me about this, but the impression i get from many if these guys is that they extremely patriotic and loyal to 'Cuba' but that doesn't necessarily extend to the Cuban regime. Like Rigo and Lara always wears Cuban shorts yet they defected to go make money for themselves in the US

Robeisy strikes me as pretty aggressive. I think he has the temperament and consequent fighting style to make it as a pro. Ramirez appears to be very patriotic, as many athletes competing at the Olympics seem to be. However, I don't think he's necessarily "fighting for Cuba." And you are correct. Defecting is tough, especially for such a tou ng man. I rate him highly mate, I think he has a great mix of defence and offence, mixed with a massive skill set and ring intelligence. I have no doubt he could make it work if he has the right people around him and learns how to promote himself before its too late. I loved watching him when he was in the London Olympics and have kept an eye out for him since, was looking forward to seeing him in Rio, I've still not got round to seeing him vs Stevenson yet, was looking forward to it but was busy when it was on, I remember being pissed when Conlan got robbed because him vs Stevenson would of been great and then the winner against Ramirez in the final - such a shame corruption ruined what could have been a good set of match ups. As for fighting for Cuba, I got that vibe from the very few interviews there are of him, and the perception I get form their culture (you would know far more about that than me though, I'm just guessing really), and yeah I could imagine defecting at 22 would be difficult.

What if the division he enters is too hot to be fast tracked????? Ramirez won his second gold medal at 123lbs, after winning his first gold medal at 115lbs. You add in that, at 22 years old, he's all of 5'5, and it's likely that he fights professionally at 115/118 (without the need to hold the weight for more than just a moment on a scale, rather than a full tournament, the weight shouldn't be too bad. In five years time, the turnover at those weights would ridiculous. With a hopeful three gold medals around his neck, assuming he's good enough, I don't imagine a scenario where he gets shut out of anything, especially at 115/118 (have no doubt that a Florida-based promotional outfit with some relationship with TV could basically bring enough money to the table to open up most opportunities at the weight)