George Foreman - a freak of nature?

Im not so sure Fury stops Foreman but he out points him most likely . People Forget Foreman more than anyone relied on size and he lost to Jimmy Young and Ali who were little to the 6'9 fleet footed Fury . The main difference is Fury would be leaning on Foreman not against the ropes he would do that in late rnds and Foreman had poor stamina if we are going by 70's Foreman . Here was my break down of that match ..... Foreman is one of the few past timers pre 80's i would give a chance to defeat Fury ,but thats only because his power . Fury while not looked at as a power puncher is still 250 plus .Foreman was 220 at his best 70's weight and relied greatly on size Jimmy Young was able to tire Foreman out a bit and drop him so i cant see where another skilled boxer who was 50 pounds heavier couldn't . I would favor Fury over 70's Foreman pretty comfortabley .His reach ,boxing ability and physical weight to make Foreman work would slow Foremans usual pressure attack. Fury would not take Foreman lightly so the slower power puncher would need that blunt force shot and i would say this falls in Tysons favor of just staying on the outside of what i would envision a boxing clinic to the wild Foreman after 5 rnds .Fury is not a hard body puncher so i wouldn't expect much damage there ,it will be by accumulated punches to the head if he stops Foreman addedto Foremans own exhaustion carrying Tysons weight . Foreman of the 90's would stand a better chance ,better jab , chin and smarts along with setting up sneaky punches that he could manage on Fury if Fury takes the bait . I still favor the lengthy boxer here because these were the types who made Foreman look really bad at times . Speed , stamina , boxing , ring generalship ,over chin ,and brute force . Fury over 70's Foreman via K.O 9th rnd Fury over 90's Foreman Via decision win Agree with everything apart from Fury not being a good body puncher. He's pretty decent at it. https://s32.postimg.org/bd0j5wcud/insta.gif https://s31.postimg.org/5q7svrmq3/POWER.gif Waiting for Bum excuses.

Now, George Foreman is one of my favourite fighters. He's a respectable individual. He got manners, he got intelligence and he speaks from the hearth, being more humble than any other fighter I can think of right now. To top it off, he defeated several quality opponents in his career, including Frazier and Norton. I got nothing but respect for Foreman. With that said, this should not be taken as an insult toward the legend. Merely asking for some thoughts. You see, George had very horrible boxing skills. He would just plod forward and swing the arms like a caveman. He had monstrous power and a monstrous chin, as well as a great fighter heart, but his skills are absolutely horrible. Look how he fought Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. Many casuals even think the fight was a set-up. Is George Foreman the best ever example of "fokk skills, it's all about the physical gifts"? George was much more defensively skilled in the second stage of his career. He used the cross armed style to avoid damage to the head. I can't remember who I was watching him against but he was fighting on the inside with his back to the ropes and his arms were catching everything and blocking some huge uppercuts.

Big George can still ko most right now Legend

A guy like Tyson Fury muscles a prime Foreman to the ropes and outworks him. Fury can take a punch, and his height and reach advantage and slick head movement, it would be a war, but Fury would eventually force Foreman into submission with savage body shots and sledgehammer fists to the temple following faints. I'm a big Fury fan and I'm well aware that he would beat a lot of legends, like Louis and Marciano. But he wouldn't beat Foreman. Foreman is a fairly big guy himself and while Fury's chin is underrated, I'm pretty sure it would collapse under the power of Foreman.

People might not agree with me, but i really dont think Ali wanted to be on the ropes as much as he was in his fight with George. In the ealy rounds it looked to me like Ali wanted to move and box, but Foremans pressure, and Ali's diminished athleticism, was consistently trapping him on the ropes. Willing to be proved wrong though if there is stuff which shows that Ali was training to fight that way 100% Agree

Just dropped way too much knowledge for here. Haha, sorry! And halfway thru I purposely shortened because I thought it was getting too much!

Great fighter, I would mention his ability to cut off the ring other than his tremendous power, obviously.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but posts like this infuriate me. George Foreman had slow feet yes, and in the heat of the moment against Ali, he did swing wild but that's more a mental thing than a technical, Ali was in his ear all through the fight. In the age of Mayweather and this stupid TMT **** we have this perception of "slick" boxers and that if you don't have fast hands or feet or be perceived to be defensively gifted then you are not technical. Guys like Adrien Broner and Sergio Martinez were perceived as "Slick" so they have to be technically gifted. I'm the biggest Sergio fan, not so much AB, but both guys have glaring weaknesses technically speaking. Foreman was a Sonny Liston protege, and overseen by Archie Moore, Sandy and Dick Saddler. He had tremendous physical gifts, so they guided him as his body dictated, to best utilize those gifts. You say he had slow feet, (Like people say about JC Chavez or Golovkin) but that's how he was trained, he wasted no energy in cutting off the Ring against mobile boxers. Foreman was one of the best in history that regard, proving it against Ali, who, although he beat him, had to go to the ropes as foreman constantly cut him off, then again against Michael Moorer. So technically his footwork was perfect! A big criticism Ali threw at Foreman was the way he carried his hands in the fight, calling him "The Mummy", again technically speaking there was nothing wrong with this, it was a genius tactic Sandy Saddler also used. It served two purposes, firstly, it's an excellent way of "hand fighting", keeping it out like that serves to parry and evade Jabs and straight hands as the opponent has to get thru it, and it's easy to hook and uppercut off of, as Joe Frazier found out. By keeping his hands out like that it also served help him cut off the ring, at 6'4 81" reach Foreman was as his nickname suggested "Big" by sticking his hands like that, it made it hard for opponents to judge distance and made him a bigger object in the ring. Once again, technically nothing wrong with it. And lastly, without getting into too much detail as my post is already longer than I planned, foreman had some of the Heavyweight divisions most diverse and best Jabs, learning from his mentor Sonny Liston. You mentioned about swinging wild, well other than the Ali and Ron Lyle fight, he did not swing wild. Again we are talking about a 25 year old Foreman who was broken mentally by Ali in that fight and had zero confidence going into the Lyle fight. To sum up, - Fast hands and feet does not = Technical ability, Physical Strength does not = No Technical ability. - George Foreman had great Footwork, Defense, Ring IQ, Jab, Uppercut. So yes he had great technique Just dropped way too much knowledge for here.

Now, George Foreman is one of my favourite fighters. He's a respectable individual. He got manners, he got intelligence and he speaks from the hearth, being more humble than any other fighter I can think of right now. To top it off, he defeated several quality opponents in his career, including Frazier and Norton. I got nothing but respect for Foreman. With that said, this should not be taken as an insult toward the legend. Merely asking for some thoughts. You see, George had very horrible boxing skills. He would just plod forward and swing the arms like a caveman. He had monstrous power and a monstrous chin, as well as a great fighter heart, but his skills are absolutely horrible. Look how he fought Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. Many casuals even think the fight was a set-up. Is George Foreman the best ever example of "fokk skills, it's all about the physical gifts"? A guy like Tyson Fury muscles a prime Foreman to the ropes and outworks him. Fury can take a punch, and his height and reach advantage and slick head movement, it would be a war, but Fury would eventually force Foreman into submission with savage body shots and sledgehammer fists to the temple following faints.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but posts like this infuriate me. George Foreman had slow feet yes, and in the heat of the moment against Ali, he did swing wild but that's more a mental thing than a technical, Ali was in his ear all through the fight. In the age of Mayweather and this stupid TMT **** we have this perception of "slick" boxers and that if you don't have fast hands or feet or be perceived to be defensively gifted then you are not technical. Guys like Adrien Broner and Sergio Martinez were perceived as "Slick" so they have to be technically gifted. I'm the biggest Sergio fan, not so much AB, but both guys have glaring weaknesses technically speaking. Foreman was a Sonny Liston protege, and overseen by Archie Moore, Sandy and Dick Saddler. He had tremendous physical gifts, so they guided him as his body dictated, to best utilize those gifts. You say he had slow feet, (Like people say about JC Chavez or Golovkin) but that's how he was trained, he wasted no energy in cutting off the Ring against mobile boxers. Foreman was one of the best in history that regard, proving it against Ali, who, although he beat him, had to go to the ropes as foreman constantly cut him off, then again against Michael Moorer. So technically his footwork was perfect! A big criticism Ali threw at Foreman was the way he carried his hands in the fight, calling him "The Mummy", again technically speaking there was nothing wrong with this, it was a genius tactic Sandy Saddler also used. It served two purposes, firstly, it's an excellent way of "hand fighting", keeping it out like that serves to parry and evade Jabs and straight hands as the opponent has to get thru it, and it's easy to hook and uppercut off of, as Joe Frazier found out. By keeping his hands out like that it also served help him cut off the ring, at 6'4 81" reach Foreman was as his nickname suggested "Big" by sticking his hands like that, it made it hard for opponents to judge distance and made him a bigger object in the ring. Once again, technically nothing wrong with it. And lastly, without getting into too much detail as my post is already longer than I planned, foreman had some of the Heavyweight divisions most diverse and best Jabs, learning from his mentor Sonny Liston. You mentioned about swinging wild, well other than the Ali and Ron Lyle fight, he did not swing wild. Again we are talking about a 25 year old Foreman who was broken mentally by Ali in that fight and had zero confidence going into the Lyle fight. To sum up, - Fast hands and feet does not = Technical ability, Physical Strength does not = No Technical ability. - George Foreman had great Footwork, Defense, Ring IQ, Jab, Uppercut. So yes he had great technique Nice post, all good points.

People might not agree with me, but i really dont think Ali wanted to be on the ropes as much as he was in his fight with George. In the ealy rounds it looked to me like Ali wanted to move and box, but Foremans pressure, and Ali's diminished athleticism, was consistently trapping him on the ropes. Willing to be proved wrong though if there is stuff which shows that Ali was training to fight that way Ali admitted that he wanted to box but George was getting to him and he got tired moving, so he stayed on the ropes.

There's a difference between skill and technicality. Foreman was very skilled, you can tell by the fights he won.

I've watched of lot of Foreman's fights and I agree with what these guys are saying. Big George wasn't fast on his feet, to put it tactfully, and he didn't have fast hands either. But he could judge range and distance well and he was great at cutting the ring. For a man as ponderous as Foreman to cut the ring as well as he did proves that he was an intelligent, thinking fighter. He was also very accurate with his punches, especially the jab. Ali suckered Foreman in their fight. Foreman expected Ali to move and be evasive, and when Ali went to the ropes and stayed there, taunting Foreman and inviting him to go for a KO, Big George forgot about pacing himself and went for it with everything he had. Ali's almost inhuman capacity to absorb punishment, plus the terrible heat and humidity, all combined and contributed to George punching himself out. There was a reason why Ali didn't give Foreman a rematch. He knew George wouldn't have fallen for the rope-a-dope trick again. Ali would typically try and win the fight before it starts. The immediate boxer i think of that does this too is Hopkins, who is a student of the game.

I find it hilarious that you called yourself the boxing expert, you don't know shit. :lol1: I was thinking the same lol

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People might not agree with me, but i really dont think Ali wanted to be on the ropes as much as he was in his fight with George. In the ealy rounds it looked to me like Ali wanted to move and box, but Foremans pressure, and Ali's diminished athleticism, was consistently trapping him on the ropes. Willing to be proved wrong though if there is stuff which shows that Ali was training to fight that way

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but posts like this infuriate me. George Foreman had slow feet yes, and in the heat of the moment against Ali, he did swing wild but that's more a mental thing than a technical, Ali was in his ear all through the fight. In the age of Mayweather and this stupid TMT **** we have this perception of "slick" boxers and that if you don't have fast hands or feet or be perceived to be defensively gifted then you are not technical. Guys like Adrien Broner and Sergio Martinez were perceived as "Slick" so they have to be technically gifted. I'm the biggest Sergio fan, not so much AB, but both guys have glaring weaknesses technically speaking. Foreman was a Sonny Liston protege, and overseen by Archie Moore, Sandy and Dick Saddler. He had tremendous physical gifts, so they guided him as his body dictated, to best utilize those gifts. You say he had slow feet, (Like people say about JC Chavez or Golovkin) but that's how he was trained, he wasted no energy in cutting off the Ring against mobile boxers. Foreman was one of the best in history that regard, proving it against Ali, who, although he beat him, had to go to the ropes as foreman constantly cut him off, then again against Michael Moorer. So technically his footwork was perfect! A big criticism Ali threw at Foreman was the way he carried his hands in the fight, calling him "The Mummy", again technically speaking there was nothing wrong with this, it was a genius tactic Sandy Saddler also used. It served two purposes, firstly, it's an excellent way of "hand fighting", keeping it out like that serves to parry and evade Jabs and straight hands as the opponent has to get thru it, and it's easy to hook and uppercut off of, as Joe Frazier found out. By keeping his hands out like that it also served help him cut off the ring, at 6'4 81" reach Foreman was as his nickname suggested "Big" by sticking his hands like that, it made it hard for opponents to judge distance and made him a bigger object in the ring. Once again, technically nothing wrong with it. And lastly, without getting into too much detail as my post is already longer than I planned, foreman had some of the Heavyweight divisions most diverse and best Jabs, learning from his mentor Sonny Liston. You mentioned about swinging wild, well other than the Ali and Ron Lyle fight, he did not swing wild. Again we are talking about a 25 year old Foreman who was broken mentally by Ali in that fight and had zero confidence going into the Lyle fight. To sum up, - Fast hands and feet does not = Technical ability, Physical Strength does not = No Technical ability. - George Foreman had great Footwork, Defense, Ring IQ, Jab, Uppercut. So yes he had great technique foreman was very skilled. people get thrown off by the open glove, crab defense, wide punch stuff, but the guy did have craft. great jab. great body puncher. could generate power from basically any distance and angle. put shots together. won a gold medal in the olympics ffs. you really saw what craft he had when he came back and had success when all of his physical attributes had diminished. in his comeback he was extremely patient. one of the most relaxed fighters you'll ever see. that is a skill! and an important one! it helps you last, gives you time to study your opponent, takes some fo the steam off of shots you can't see, etc! in short, you DKSAB! I've watched of lot of Foreman's fights and I agree with what these guys are saying. Big George wasn't fast on his feet, to put it tactfully, and he didn't have fast hands either. But he could judge range and distance well and he was great at cutting the ring. For a man as ponderous as Foreman to cut the ring as well as he did proves that he was an intelligent, thinking fighter. He was also very accurate with his punches, especially the jab. Ali suckered Foreman in their fight. Foreman expected Ali to move and be evasive, and when Ali went to the ropes and stayed there, taunting Foreman and inviting him to go for a KO, Big George forgot about pacing himself and went for it with everything he had. Ali's almost inhuman capacity to absorb punishment, plus the terrible heat and humidity, all combined and contributed to George punching himself out. There was a reason why Ali didn't give Foreman a rematch. He knew George wouldn't have fallen for the rope-a-dope trick again.

He was eating Frazier's hooks, he couldn't do anything against Ali's simple Arthur Abraham style, he generally took a lot of punishment and it was his physical attributes that made him great. The later returned Foreman actually still managed to survive on physical attributes alone, combined with heart. Because no one ever got hit by Joe f#ckin Fraziers hooks and Ali had a sh*t defence :lol1: Boxingxpert has to be one of the most ironic usernames in NSB history

The greatest HW pressure fighters of all time. Ofcourse he was skilled. Taught by Sandy Saddler himself iirc. (Edit: looked this up to check. Foreman was taught by Dick Saddler (sandys cousin) and overseen by Sandy) His ability to cut the ring off, herd opponents into his punching range and batter them with some of the hardest punches ever thrown is second to none. That all takes skill. He also had very underrated reflexes and could slip opponents shots much quicker than seemed possible for such a lumbering guy. His jab also was excellent. Very different to the quick jab of a guy like Ali, but almost as effective in its own way. Also lol at the 'humble' 'polite' George Foreman statements :lol1: He was anything but in his prime. Even the post retirement version there are stories of his new amiable exterior cracking and the intimidating bully coming out underneath.