Would boxing be safer if they used smaller, finger-less UFC sized gloves? 4 oz

The 8 count is probabbly a bigger issue, however fighters wouldn't be able to withstand the same amount of punishment. There would be more hand injuries, but definitely not as much brain damage would occur. Deontay Wilder hitting another man on the jaw with a 4-oz glove is liable to kill someone, full stop.

Brain damage comes from sustained beatings that don't knock you out. Oh really? It's that simple is it? That's horse****. There is a theory that a sustained beating can be more dangerous when it comes to head trauma, but that's it. If you think that repeated concussions and getting knocked out time after time is a safer alternative then you're a fool. Brain damage is totally unpredictable. A person can get punched once, knocked out, and end up in a coma from that. It happens. How can you possibly affirm that MMA fighters won't also suffer from pugilistic dementia? MMA has only been around for about 20 years. Let's see how sharp some of these guys are when they're 50 and 60 years old. Go listen to Chuck Liddell and tell me he doesn't sound punchy already. He didn't take a sustained beating, but he did get knocked out a bunch of times. If boxers wore 4oz gloves, somebody would be getting knocked out almost every fight. No, not stopped by a referee, knocked out. Amir Khan would probably be dead by now.

But MMA fighters do die in the ring. As far as brain damage, boxing has been around for 100+ years, which means fighters have been observed their entires lives. MMA on the other hand has been around for a decade or 2, who knows what will happen to those guys in the long term

The gloves are to protect the fighters hands and the opponents face getting cut up etc. They do nothing to prevent a fighter getting KO'd, the force is the same and the brain rattles around the same. Force is clearly absorbed by the glove's cushioning. Physics

that's not the only significant variation. it's the length of the fights. world lcass boxers fight for 3X as long as 3 round mma fighters, and still almost twice as long as a 5 round main event fighter. a beating in a boxing match can go up to 12 rounds if you can last that long. an MMA fight can be a maximum of 15-25 minutes, with almost every fight being of the 15 minute variety. Exactly this ^^^ Also, one basic fact people are also missing out here is, gloves is not always to protect your opponent but its also to protect your hands.. Hitting a skull/ribs can fracture your hand & how many have we seen during & post fight hand injuries/fractures..

Ofcourse studies & experiments have proven that 12oz or 4oz gloves it doesn't change the ppi on impact.. Yes you might have less cuts but the point still remains that your head takes a pounding & it may cause clots by continuous jarring.. But the fact boxing lasts for 12 rounds means any amount of added protection on the gloves helps soften the impact on the athlete's knuckles/fingers.. I am a subscriber of this channel & they usually did these experiments for Discovery before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCuYluBB1p0

This happened 2 months ago in the UFC: https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/skull.jpg A caved in skull from a single fight and he has no intent to retire. I'm amazed someone on a boxing forum is trying to make an argument that MMA is the safer sport. death rates, for one. there are boxing deaths every year. MMA deaths do happen, but they're much less common from the data that's been gathered. most of the boxing deaths come from long fights. long fights don't exist in teh UFC or other MMA orgs that i know of. heck, they're mostly fighting 3 rounders. while i do agree that a kick, knee, slam, etc is more head trauma that any boxer will ecieve in a single blow, it's actually pretty well documented that boxers typically get brain damage from the sustained beatings that last several rounds. in boxing you may go down, clear your head for 10 seconds, and try and hold on and survive. in MMA you mayt very well get finished in a flash if you get dropped and hurt by a punch, kick, etc. you don't get broken up from a clinch. the fights can be stopped for reasons other than head trauma or body shots

How is that possible if UFC has less injuries in those categories when they are allowed to kick, knee, elbow and punch? You aren't being objective. Brain damage comes from sustained beatings that don't knock you out. Your brain is rattling inside of your head and that's what happens in boxing. In UFC, if you get hit with a good shot you're going down. Getting knocked out cold isn't as bad as a sustained beating, which can cause blood clots and brain bleeding. This happened 2 months ago in the UFC: https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/skull.jpg A caved in skull from a single fight and he has no intent to retire. I'm amazed someone on a boxing forum is trying to make an argument that MMA is the safer sport.

Yep. Fights being stopped for broken bones (eye sockets, jaws etc) and cuts would be much more common than they are now. Hand injuries too. not to mention some pretty serious injuries to the eyes from having gloves without thumbs or fingers. that can potentially end a career. i'm always surprised that guys dont get poked in the eye more often in the UFC and other MMA orgs.

I think the damage would be worst than it already is in boxing. Look at what Louis Resto was able to do to Billy Collins when he simply removed some padding from his gloves. Billy Collins was not able to fight ever again. So bringing in four once gloves into boxing where the men fight for 12 rounds and ONLY punch each other would lead to more injuries most likely. In MMA there is grappling which gives fighters a bit of a break from the physical trauma of getting hit. In boxing physical trauma is the only way you can win so using smaller gloves would be quite dangerous. Yep. Fights being stopped for broken bones (eye sockets, jaws etc) and cuts would be much more common than they are now. Hand injuries too.

I think the damage would be worst than it already is in boxing. Look at what Louis Resto was able to do to Billy Collins when he simply removed some padding from his gloves. Billy Collins was not able to fight ever again. So bringing in four once gloves into boxing where the men fight for 12 rounds and ONLY punch each other would lead to more injuries most likely. In MMA there is grappling which gives fighters a bit of a break from the physical trauma of getting hit. In boxing physical trauma is the only way you can win so using smaller gloves would be quite dangerous. resto's wraps were also dipped in plaster. lewis removed around an once of padding from the glove, but it was all from the knuckle area. if you watch the fight and the hand shake after with collins sr you can see them "crease" where the padding was removed.

I think the damage would be worst than it already is in boxing. Look at what Louis Resto was able to do to Billy Collins when he simply removed some padding from his gloves. Billy Collins was not able to fight ever again. So bringing in four once gloves into boxing where the men fight for 12 rounds and ONLY punch each other would lead to more injuries most likely. In MMA there is grappling which gives fighters a bit of a break from the physical trauma of getting hit. In boxing physical trauma is the only way you can win so using smaller gloves would be quite dangerous.

Even though UFC/MMA seems like the more brutal and dangerous sport, it's the boxers who end up with a lifetime of brain damage, impaired speech, and overall suffering after retirement. Boxing gloves have too much padding, therefore leading to more brain rattling without actually putting your opponent down. A hard, flush punch that might have knocked someone down or out with smaller UFC gloves (4 oz) won't have the same effect with bigger boxing gloves (8+ oz). Instead, you're just rattling their brain without hurting them over the course of 12 rounds. This is why more boxers die in the ring compared to UFC. Retired boxers live a life of major complications due to this very reason. It's the same reason more and more studies are being conducted on the alleged safety that headgear provides. Sure, they can stop from cuts and bruises but it won't stop your brain from rattling by getting hit. Yea go lighter and just break up the fighters face faster so their careers last like for 5 years

MMA is to young of a sport to see the damages that boxing sees. Look up garey goodridge, a prominent old school mma fighter who suffers similiar traits of a punch drunk boxer. goodridge was also a kickboxer. seems very self aware, but there's obviously a ton of damage there.

Also worth considering. Lets say for example an MMA fighter commits 50% of his time in training to striking and 50% to groundwork/wrestling, well thats 50% less blows to the head already throughout a career compared to a boxer. Groundwork is safe as f*ck to practice. If you are working with experienced guys you will barely ever get hurt. Taking blows to the head in sparring can contribute massively to a boxers brain injury over a long career.

Boxing gloves are a lot safer, you're average UFC fighter cant even throw a proper jab. Boxers throw sharper punches, with more speed and power. Imagine GGG with UFC style gloves - some of his opponents would have been seriously injured. I think Khan might have been seriously hurt if Canelo was wearing UFC style gloves when he landed that knockout punch.

MMA is to young of a sport to see the damages that boxing sees. Look up garey goodridge, a prominent old school mma fighter who suffers similiar traits of a punch drunk boxer.

Yea it would be safer for the boxers if ufc style gloves were used. Shorter fights = less blows to the head = less brain damage At least thats what im assuming

The gloves are to protect the fighters hands and the opponents face getting cut up etc. They do nothing to prevent a fighter getting KO'd, the force is the same and the brain rattles around the same. I can see that argument, but i still think boxing gloves are safer. For one it is much easier to block or partially block a punch when you and your opponent are wearing massive gloves. Although you can maybe punch with more force using a glove, the energy is dissipated over a wider area. Smaller gloves would lead to more punches being landed, more accurate shots, faster shots etc. The main factor that makes boxing more dangerous than MMA in terms of brain injury imo is A. The length of a bout. and B. The chance to get up after a KD and continue taking punishment. In MMA/UFC you get dropped, there's a good chance you get stopped a moment latter, assuming the ref is doing his job. In boxing you could receive a full 8 count while semi consciously stumbling around, gather yourself when the ref asks his questions, and then continue getting battered. Look at Donaire vs Montiel for example. Absolutely crazy sport that we follow

that's not the only significant variation. it's the length of the fights. world lcass boxers fight for 3X as long as 3 round mma fighters, and still almost twice as long as a 5 round main event fighter. a beating in a boxing match can go up to 12 rounds if you can last that long. an MMA fight can be a maximum of 15-25 minutes, with almost every fight being of the 15 minute variety.