Spence is an awesome force rising up at 147. He is someone who uses offensive leverage to search and destroy his opponent quickly but efficiently. He and Pac are both very reminiscent of George Foreman. Maybe its a Texas style in regards to Spence. It's a mean, I'm going to break your head off kind of style that predicates on max power burying their hands with every shot.
Floyd is nothing like Spence and is really a more refined and conservative Terrence Crawford. Spence is a true warrior and is putting Garcia and Thurman to shame.
But what do yall think? What other fighters condone a style like Foreman's?
Great Foreman video BTW
Yea you are right Pac cant cut off the ring to save his life, and i equate that to the level of skill of the fighters he fights.
Spence so far looks fine at cutting the ring off, but also take into consideration the fighters hes fights. Cant be all that hard to cut the ring off when you are fighting fighters with no skill and are just at best C- to D level fighters. Just saying.
Well in that case let's take the common "C-- to D" level fighter on their resume, Chris Algieri, who they both fought. The reason why Spence KO'ed him was because of his ability to cut off the ring. While Manny had the power to drop Algieri several times, he couldn't quite catch up to him and finish the job because he was simply following Algieri rather cutting off the ring
So Pacquiao showed his lack off cutting of the ring versus this "C- to D level fighter", that Spence did easily
Just image what they would do to Pac.
Please dude your hero wouldn't fight anyone who was in their prime. Give me a break. Floyd was great but how can you say a guy who throws maybe 30 punches a round and plays defense is the best ever. Shut up with your crap about Pacquaio atleast he went out and tried to make fights, not running that mouth , flashing money , and fighting and holding like a b****.
Spence is Spence.
He has one of the most unique styles I seen.
Southpaw with a GREAT jab money shot right hook and pressure fighter
Not see any similarities to Quintana?
Quintana lacked the proper backing and dedication in his career, Spence doesn't seem to suffer from this.
can you comprehend what you read? I didnt call de jesus a no name.
where was i putting down duran? did he not lose to estban de jesus in his prime? did he not lose to kirkland lainge, and other no names in his career at an age where floyd was dominating better opposition and being criticized for every opponent not named pacquaio from 2010-2015?
de jesus was a good fighter, but was he on the level of Mosley, Pac, or even canelo? no....he lost most of his big fights, he had talent but was no ATG
Estaban De Jesus in his prime is easily better than Canelo/ Mosley and Manny that Floyd fought you complete tool. You literally just prove you don't know what you are talking about.
Who is the higher level fighters Floyd was dominating? Baldomir? Judah? Or was it his war with Augustus or close shaves with Castillo?
YOU TALK UTTER BU!!*****
Floyd has fought better names than Duran....seriously you are an embarrassing loser. You are the kinda TMT loser Floyd hates to be associated with.
He's getting away with being "sloppy" because he can. He hasn't had any problem with an opponent being to powerful..yet. But my prediction is that no one at 147 can beat his offense with a defensive strategy. That goes for Bradley, Thurman and Garcia.
Yea but if he doesnt tighten up he will have problems in the future, and I dont think Thurman is a walk in the park. Spence's defense is awful. He just overwhelms people and gets exhausted in the process!
Yea Pac is but you have to look at it through the confines of where Pac was in his earlier years. Pac fought like Spence when at bantamweight and even featherweight. He was a big guy for that weight and had the durability, like Spence, to nullify opponent's offense with hard nose power attacks
Yeah and I've seen that but you can also see that Pacquiao possessed the talent to do so. I don't see it with Spence, he just seems too stiff for my liking. It doesn't come natural to him. Spence is a far better fighter than the guy I'm about to mention but that issue of his reminds me of Devon Alexander and that's why he gets hit cleanly. You can't look to pick shots off entirely, you gotta move your head/ upper body.
It does make him less of a fighter. His wins are not representative of total victory like that of Pacquiao beating down Margarito, Morales, Barrera, Hatton, Oscar, Cotton and others. Not saying Floyd's KO win over Hatton isnt great, just that he didn't do it in the way that exemplified a better win like Pac.
Leonard was a mean sob for most of his career with the outlook that he wanted to demolish his opponent using the best of his abilities. Floyd let's off the gas pedal and doesn't perform like a prize fighter. He even blames other fighters for making it boring when he won't engage, noting that they should have to catch him/cut off the ring. We all know Floyd has beat down guy's like Gatti for instance, but when its good competition he plays it extremely safe. Does the absolute bare minimum
so winning clearly without a back and forth war makes him less of a fighter? only of NSB....you are a casual fan bro and know nothing about fighting smart and tactics
What since did it make for Mayweather to fight Canelo, Guerrero, Pac, Berto, etc, toe to toe when he had the edge in speed, mobility and footwork?
if you wanted to see him in more exciting fights, that's cool. A domination is a domination with or without a ko
in 49 fights dude may have had 2-3 competitive fights, that's impressive.
Overrated because of nostalgia? You're crazy haha. He gave Haglers all he could possibly handle in the later less dedicated phase of his career. Not to mention he beat a real bruser and big strong middleweight in Barkley at 38 for the title. He beat Leonard, maybe the single best welterweight behind Robinson off all time. With that kind of style he was competitive well into his 40. He lost to Hearns and went out on his shield like a proper gent. Didn't hold for dear life like Floyd in every instance of feeling high risk pressure
Clinching is the smart thing to do when you're in trouble, would you have preferred he let Mosley to tee off when he was hurt? that's flat out stupid
being exciting and going for knockouts don't mean you are great, just means you are aggressive or have power.
you obviously haven't watched many of his fights because Mayweather fought back hard, especially when he was younger, when he was pressured
when he got older, he'd simply use his legs or clinch to make them reset....its called being smart.
I wonder how long before the idiotic fl0mos start calling spence a dumb brawler with no skills/defense.
Luckily you are wrong man, they are never going to do it. Prehaps it's going to make all the hypster-couch-sweet-scientist talk less about the sweet science in the future, and to jerk off less to Lara's beautiful style. They are going to start enjoying more exciting fights, even though they are going to enjoy it for a different reason, because of a black american fighter who's successful with it, while the rest of us would enjoy watching skilled boxers involved in exciting fights as we always did no matter where are they coming from, so it's a great thing for boxing. I won't be suprised if some of them start complaining about the overly defensive boxers in the future.
To me there is a great difference between watching two brawlers with no skill in a war and a pair of skilled boxers going at it, that's why I love so much Morales vs Barrera trilogy. I have a lot of bad things to say about PBC but Errol Spence, a black KO artists is one of the greatest things that could happen to boxing now, plus he's willing to fight the best possible opponents.
Another thing is PBC financial problems are hopefully going to force them to make more 50/50 fights.
they should be rated higher at welterweight....the man turned pro and fought most of his fights below 147
So Mayweather being smart and not being dumb enough to slug bigger fighters makes him less of a fighter?
Mayweather would have also not have been stupid enough to come in under prepared vs De Jesus...that's part of being a great fighter...preparation.
Duran has that win over Leonard and after that the comp falls off mightily....every other great fighter he faced, he lost to...Bentiez, Hearns, Hagler.....even non greats in De Jesus....fringe contenders in Kirkland, Robbie sims and no names in his mid and late 30s
Great fighter, who gets overrated because of nostalgia.
It does make him less of a fighter. His wins are not representative of total victory like that of Pacquiao beating down Margarito, Morales, Barrera, Hatton, Oscar, Cotton and others. Not saying Floyd's KO win over Hatton isnt great, just that he didn't do it in the way that exemplified a better win like Pac.
Leonard was a mean sob for most of his career with the outlook that he wanted to demolish his opponent using the best of his abilities. Floyd let's off the gas pedal and doesn't perform like a prize fighter. He even blames other fighters for making it boring when he won't engage, noting that they should have to catch him/cut off the ring. We all know Floyd has beat down guy's like Gatti for instance, but when its good competition he plays it extremely safe. Does the absolute bare minimum
they should be rated higher at welterweight....the man turned pro and fought most of his fights below 147
So Mayweather being smart and not being dumb enough to slug bigger fighters makes him less of a fighter?
Mayweather would have also not have been stupid enough to come in under prepared vs De Jesus...that's part of being a great fighter...preparation.
Duran has that win over Leonard and after that the comp falls off mightily....every other great fighter he faced, he lost to...Bentiez, Hearns, Hagler.....even non greats in De Jesus....fringe contenders in Kirkland, Robbie sims and no names in his mid and late 30s
Great fighter, who gets overrated because of nostalgia.
Overrated because of nostalgia? You're crazy haha. He gave Haglers all he could possibly handle in the later less dedicated phase of his career. Not to mention he beat a real bruser and big strong middleweight in Barkley at 38 for the title. He beat Leonard, maybe the single best welterweight behind Robinson off all time. With that kind of style he was competitive well into his 40. He lost to Hearns and went out on his shield like a proper gent. Didn't hold for dear life like Floyd in every instance of feeling high risk pressure
He has a great chin so I would disagree. I think Hearns would likely get him out of there however. Duran would be a toss up like I said. Pacquiao is a sneaky south paw and if you can't find a way to nullify his shots then your going to get taken apart. Look at Cotto for instance. Pacquiao had a very easy time landing shots because of how big a target he was. Duran and Pac are both warriors and if they both would have their hands full. Both guys would not let upDuran would maul Pac and finish him brutally, and the Hearns fight wouldn't even be a contest.
Pacquiao's chin wouldn't hold up against Hearns or Duran. Pac wouldn't last 5 rounds with either guy.
He has a great chin so I would disagree. I think Hearns would likely get him out of there however. Duran would be a toss up like I said. Pacquiao is a sneaky south paw and if you can't find a way to nullify his shots then your going to get taken apart. Look at Cotto for instance. Pacquiao had a very easy time landing shots because of how big a target he was. Duran and Pac are both warriors and if they both would have their hands full. Both guys would not let up
Dude stop lying Lol Spence is very easy to hit, and kind of sloppy! He needs to find more ways to avoid a punch opposed to just jumping out the way.
I get the idea that if he faced a person with a little more power, with some skills, he would get a handful.
He is overwhelming his opponents right now, and looking decent. But I felt that Bundu was causing him some problems and Im curious about him vs Thurman at this point!
I know what happened with Thurman vs Bundu, but if Thurman can avoid being smothered by Spences hands, and his power, it will be a long night.
Spence seems very very easy to outbox.
I also felt that he was punching himself out vs Algeri, but he finished Chris off, before he finished himself off.
He is getting away with being sloppy and making allot of mistakes, but he better tighten it up as he starts fighting tougher foes.
I even think Crawford would capitalize on all of that stuff and make Spence follow all day!
He's getting away with being "sloppy" because he can. He hasn't had any problem with an opponent being to powerful..yet. But my prediction is that no one at 147 can beat his offense with a defensive strategy. That goes for Bradley, Thurman and Garcia.
Pacquiao is far more flexible, he moves his upper body. Spence is stiff
Yea Pac is but you have to look at it through the confines of where Pac was in his earlier years. Pac fought like Spence when at bantamweight and even featherweight. He was a big guy for that weight and had the durability, like Spence, to nullify opponent's offense with hard nose power attacks
Well yea. You got one of the most successful offensive guys in Manny & you got one of the most successful defensive guys in Floyd & high level defensive guys are much more rarer than high level offensive guys. You could say most boxers are more like Pac than Floyd & it'd be true although I don't know exactly to what point anyone should care about Spence being more Pac-like than Floyd-like any damn way.
Spence is more like Pac and Foreman because he's a powerful power puncher in both hands. He throws at unorthodox angles maximizing his power when ever he has somebody hurt. He is a search and destroy fighter that uses a powerful offense to control the fight. Pac is definitely more of a in and out mover then Foreman and Spence but he, like Foreman, has great leg strength and throws arm punches at every angle imaginable.
Floyd never had the power to be static in his offensive approach like these guys. It was of course a smart dynamic strategy of Floyd to flow like water and always stay moving but at the end of the day, he isn't someone who could ever steam roll an opponent
??? Duran is rated higher then Floyd overall. Leonard is a better welterweight and so is Hearns compared to Floyd. Floyd would never stand toe to toe with Barkley and Hagler. Not to mention considering he's a career lightweight, Floyd would have to be fighting at 168 against Ward or Calzaghe for it to be the same
they should be rated higher at welterweight....the man turned pro and fought most of his fights below 147
So Mayweather being smart and not being dumb enough to slug bigger fighters makes him less of a fighter?
Mayweather would have also not have been stupid enough to come in under prepared vs De Jesus...that's part of being a great fighter...preparation.
Duran has that win over Leonard and after that the comp falls off mightily....every other great fighter he faced, he lost to...Bentiez, Hearns, Hagler.....even non greats in De Jesus....fringe contenders in Kirkland, Robbie sims and no names in his mid and late 30s
Great fighter, who gets overrated because of nostalgia.
imagine if Mayweather lost to someone like Dejesus or Kirkland Laing...mayweather was in his late 30s dominating world class opposition while Duran was losing to no names and never wases.
If Duran was as dedicated and trained as hard as mayweather he would have been considered a greater fighter and beat some of those guys he lost to.
Dont overrate Duran to crap on Mayweather...they both are top 20 all time greats
??? Duran is rated higher then Floyd overall. Leonard is a better welterweight and so is Hearns compared to Floyd. Floyd would never stand toe to toe with Barkley and Hagler. Not to mention considering he's a career lightweight, Floyd would have to be fighting at 168 against Ward or Calzaghe for it to be the same
Floyd's defensive strategy and conservative ring generalship is a lose lose situation with Duran, Leonard and Hearns. Benitez proved this, and he is quite a bit bigger then Floyd. Duran would seriously hurt his body. He'd be ripping power shots at his exposed left side all night.
Pacquiao's chin wouldn't hold up against Hearns or Duran. Pac wouldn't last 5 rounds with either guy.