Let's face it - His ring IQ, while great, is overrated. The biggest advantages he has going for him are his freakish long reach, and his natural speed and razor-sharp reflexes (especially in terms of head movement)... ALL of which are things that he was born/blessed with, and NONE of which have anything to do with ring intelligence.
He's about as popular as Paquiao who many see as being around the same level of greatness. So, eh. Floyd is a great fighter. Nothing overrated about him.
He can be overrated in ways.
But, he's one of the greatest fighters ever so, It's not a bad case. I think he will end up getting overrated the same way Duran does. One of the greatest fighters to live but not as great as some say.
History will look back kindly on Floyd, they will see his resume is plastered with the big names of the era, 13 world titles, 5 weight classes, 10 #1 ranked fighters fought in the divison being fought in, 7 Top 10 P4P fighters beaten, a long list of HOF'ers.
Floyd's resume is insanely good on paper. It's a lot better than it actually is. Obviously Floyd has a great resume but on paper? Sh*t, on paper it's one of the most impressive resumes.
All of the above whilst being undefeated? That's big recipe for being ranked highly.
In 20 years time people aren't going to look back and dissect his resume like the people who hate him who lived through his era do.
All they will see is Floyd beat Cotto when he was ranked #1 at JMW? Floyd beat Pacquaio when he was P4P #2? Mosley when he was #1 WW and P4P #3? Undefeated Canelo who was P4P ranked? Undefeated Hatton and Corrales who were P4P ranked? Etc etc etc.
Floyd was undefeated over 19 years, never been dominated, beat up, never been on his ass, won titles in 5 different divisions, is one of the most accurate, one of the least hit. If that's an overrated guy, so be it. He's the best I've ever seen
probably the most overrated fighter of all time
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He's about as popular as Paquiao who many see as being around the same level of greatness. So, eh. Floyd is a great fighter. Nothing overrated about him.
...Yet you do nothing to try and refute it. It's hard to refute the truth.
The only truth is that this thread is ****ing dumb like I stated previously. Floyd is an ATG whether you, me or anybody else feels otherwise. Go sulk somewhere else. :bottle::bottle::bottle:
Let's face it - His ring IQ, while great, is overrated. The biggest advantages he has going for him are his freakish long reach, and his natural speed and razor-sharp reflexes (especially in terms of head movement)... ALL of which are things that he was born/blessed with, and NONE of which have anything to do with ring intelligence.
So Floyd is over rated for being gifted? Wow, you could say this about dozens of all time greats and even more lesser fighters who's fans blow them (up) on here like they have accompished more than fighting in an ABC era. What an epiphany!!
Floyd ages the same as the people he's being criticized for cherrypicking. From the sound of his critics, he never ages. It's always the other guy who is waited out as though Floyd himself never ages or loses any of his assets. This is actually a great compliment from his detractors.
Floyd is underrated.
Let's face it - His ring IQ, while great, is overrated. The biggest advantages he has going for him are his freakish long reach, and his natural speed and razor-sharp reflexes (especially in terms of head movement)... ALL of which are things that he was born/blessed with, and NONE of which have anything to do with ring intelligence.
The mistake you are making is that you think what Floyd does is all reactionary, when in reality he sees things coming. He sees the mistakes guys make better then anyone else.
WTF are you talking about? He's undefeated through 49 fights and he has beaten a lot of good opponents along the way, including Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo, Hatton, etc. etc.
I'm saying his Ring IQ, which is the main asset of his that people always rave about, is overrated because it's mostly the things he was genetically gifted with that give him a huge advantage.
This is a legit top three dumbest ****ing thread I have ever seen on this board. Congrats OP that is hard to do.
...Yet you do nothing to try and refute it. It's hard to refute the truth.
So he didn't have to work at developing his speed, reflexes and head movement? He just got into the ring one day and had the speed, head movement, defense and reflexes all there, ready to go like a peak Floyd?
Those are things you are 90% born with. It's all down to genetics and brain chemistry... So yeah.
Cotto was asked but didn't pick a winner (because Roach was training him), link to otherwise? Freddie Roach said Mayweather is the best of the era. :lol1:
I read Miguel interview in boxing magazine then put it back on shelf.
So Miguel diudnt poick a winner in what you read. That may be true but he did in the interviuinterviuew I resad so I don't k kiw what to make of that.
As for Floyd being best of this era according to roach. He bases that on floiyd being unbeaten on poaper and him beating PAC. But not everyone judges on that criteria. Many think poac is best and many think Floyd is.
Many think Floyd is operated as I'm sure many think PAC is.
Not much more I can say
Let's face it - His ring IQ, while great, is overrated. The biggest advantages he has going for him are his freakish long reach, and his natural speed and razor-sharp reflexes (especially in terms of head movement)... ALL of which are things that he was born/blessed with, and NONE of which have anything to do with ring intelligence.
WTF are you talking about? He's undefeated through 49 fights and he has beaten a lot of good opponents along the way, including Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo, Hatton, etc. etc.
Mayweather's opponents most of the time were coming off big wins, whereas Pacquiao's opponents were coming off recent losses. FACTS.
They both fought most of their top opponents at the most convenient times. Pacquiao's top wins are against Barrera, Marquez, Cotto & Bradley where he beat them in their primes. He has a lot of other good wins based on name recognition but the time he fought them they were way past their prime like De La Hoya & Mosley. His win against Hatton is good too but Mayweather already beat him a fight or two before that. It does go both ways where Pacquiao & Mayweather both have done the same thing in terms of picking a recognizable name at the right time in order to build their resume.
5 star thread. Originality at its finest. A genuine discussion on a topic that's never been discussed before. Ever.
Would browse again.
BRB. I'm heading to the NBA forums to make a LeBron vs. Jordan thread.
Fucking inspired, I am.
For those who don't understand what they're watching, I can easily understand why he's overrated.
Yeah, it's fans who think moving and using reach is easy and anyone can do it. They don't understand why Mayweather is so good at using his reach or how he utilizes his reflexes. Which is literally all down to intelligence.