the strongest European scene at this minute is probably the British and I don't see any Eastern European takeover.
8 Russian champions in the last three year, 4 Ukranian and 2 Kazakh
I don't count Poland and Montenegro as EE but if you really want it then 3 more, let's say they are for those who want...
17 champions
USA had 34 champions during that time
if we count their whole "block" with Mexico, Canada Southern- and Central - American fighters then that 34 becomes 94
Europe as a whole continent (Brits included with 21) had 48
You can start to argue about comparing it to the population and etc... but that isn't the point. The point is that in absolute numbers there's no EE takeover, the whole thing is just a delusion of a few people on the internet. How you gonna take over with 14 (or 17) champions in all of the 17 weightclasses in the past 3 years? Maybe you can say to earlier times that they were forbidden to compete in the USA but it's allowed to them for a time now (more than 20 years) and their scene was popping in the last 4-5 years already and they still didn't take over the sport and imo they won't.
They have a nice scene and they add plus flavour to the world of boxing but they're not gonna be a leading force in the sport.
They are kinda that in the ams with Cuba too but seriously who cares about that among pro boxing fans?
I'm not even American but you all ride too hard for your anti-American BS... Just move on guys
You have completely misinterpreted what i said & created an argument of your own making. None of title numbers you have listed have i or did i refute at any time (in fact i can't even be bothered to check if they are true so I'll take your word for it) You went all out on proving that EE's aren't taking over when NO ONE ever said they are! Are you mentally ill or something? I asked why do USA have only one champion from 160 upwards? Did you just take it as a us vs them thread without actually thinking or taking the time to read what i actually asked? How could i refute something i never argued against? Your post says more about whats going on in your head/psyche mate rather than mine..
Like who? Names & quotes..
You doN't think that I will dig into it now just for you, do you?
lol...
Freedom, hypejob, etc... there you go
I woN't **** my time with start to dig in threads to find you those comments. If you doN't believe it then don't believe it, idc...
anyways you didn't confute anything from the facts I wrote down instead you started spitting hairs about irrelevant "he said, she said" things.
I won't do it for you, I can give two **** whether you believe it or not.
Do your own research if you're so skeptic...
What a great thread yall I just learned the HOF doesn't matter....well damn.
Are you going to answer the OP? I like your little pair of trainers you posted in your sig doh bro btw... I often go online & show the world how proud I am in my own footwear LOL
the strongest European scene at this minute is probably the British and I don't see any Eastern European takeover.
8 Russian champions in the last three year, 4 Ukranian and 2 Kazakh
I don't count Poland and Montenegro as EE but if you really want it then 3 more, let's say they are for those who want...
17 champions
USA had 34 champions during that time
if we count their whole "block" with Mexico, Canada Southern- and Central - American fighters then that 34 becomes 94
Europe as a whole continent (Brits included with 21) had 48
You can start to argue about comparing it to the population and etc... but that isn't the point. The point is that in absolute numbers there's no EE takeover, the whole thing is just a delusion of a few people on the internet. How you gonna take over with 14 (or 17) champions in all of the 17 weightclasses in the past 3 years? Maybe you can say to earlier times that they were forbidden to compete in the USA but it's allowed to them for a time now (more than 20 years) and their scene was popping in the last 4-5 years already and they still didn't take over the sport and imo they won't.
They have a nice scene and they add plus flavour to the world of boxing but they're not gonna be a leading force in the sport.
They are kinda that in the ams with Cuba too but seriously who cares about that among pro boxing fans?
I'm not even American but you all ride too hard for your anti-American BS... Just move on guys
Who has said that?
Be grateful that you are still free period! Or you would be speaking German you ingrates but thats OK Karmas a *****....soon you will be speaking the tongue of the prophets...and we will sit back and laugh at you.....oh wait we already are....keep accepting those 'Immigrants' bwahahaha!
I do speak German anyway.. & French! Keep speaking English doh bro won't ya ;)
Raghead LOL
the strongest European scene at this minute is probably the British and I don't see any Eastern European takeover.
8 Russian champions in the last three year, 4 Ukranian and 2 Kazakh
I don't count Poland and Montenegro as EE but if you really want it then 3 more, let's say they are for those who want...
17 champions
USA had 34 champions during that time
if we count their whole "block" with Mexico, Canada Southern- and Central - American fighters then that 34 becomes 94
Europe as a whole continent (Brits included with 21) had 48
You can start to argue about comparing it to the population and etc... but that isn't the point. The point is that in absolute numbers there's no EE takeover, the whole thing is just a delusion of a few people on the internet. How you gonna take over with 14 (or 17) champions in all of the 17 weightclasses in the past 3 years? Maybe you can say to earlier times that they were forbidden to compete in the USA but it's allowed to them for a time now (more than 20 years) and their scene was popping in the last 4-5 years already and they still didn't take over the sport and imo they won't.
They have a nice scene and they add plus flavour to the world of boxing but they're not gonna be a leading force in the sport.
They are kinda that in the ams with Cuba too but seriously who cares about that among pro boxing fans?
I'm not even American but you all ride too hard for your anti-American BS... Just move on guys
Im really worried bro we are simply outnumbered! Kosovo, Andora, Sweden, Liechtenstein, Austria and Germany are going to rule boxing 20 years from now! Im calling it!
The Atlanta Hawks have a better chance winning the nba title than that happening
they are great amatuers, but fall short in the pros.....they do well between 168-200 but below and heavyweight they dont do very well
See? Shows how much I give a fig about he HOF that I didn't even know! If Tszyus in then Klitschko, Kovalev, Golovkin, Lebedev, Froch, Adamek, Dariusz etc deserve to be too or certainly could be candidates very soon..
I suspect Frampton, Lomachenko, Usyk, Beterbiev, DeGale & Joshua have potential great careers in them too.
Chris John & Rigondeaux are worthy candidates too.
I never said Euros are taking over BTW I just acknowledge the GLOBAL power-shift in the sport unlike some do. Hence my OP question & interest in peoples reasonings for it. HOF inductees have no bearing really. Brazil was great at football but they are ****e now. The all blacks of new Zealand are the best at Rugby but no doubt time will alter that too.
Totally agree with what you're saying this mythical bull**** award of being placed into the HOF really doesn't count for jack **** nobody knows who is in it and nobody really cares who gets placed into it.
It's like the WWE putting their best guys in the HOF it really means nothing anyone can get into it, its not really a level of how good you are more of what you've done in boxing so basically idiots on this forums saying
"oh well how many HOF fighters has he fought"
That goes for nothing, really amateur of these type of idiots that spend all day trolling on Youtube videos and forums.
-Charles Babbage an English mechanical engineer and polymath, originated the concept of a programmable computer.
-Englishman Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
-English is a European language
Be thankful this AMERICAN based site wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Europeans.
Be grateful that you are still free period! Or you would be speaking German you ingrates but thats OK Karmas a *****....soon you will be speaking the tongue of the prophets...and we will sit back and laugh at you.....oh wait we already are....keep accepting those 'Immigrants' bwahahaha!
Champion from 160 up? Probably the worst one too LOL
Why is it when they aren't reigning supreme in a division that suddenly that division becomes weak and irrelevant?
:rofl:
.....sounds like excuses to me....the only european countries arent the former soviet ones....
If they were never that good....why did postol lose to Crawford? Algieri beat Prvodnikov.....Broner beat the breaks of Khabib Allakhverdiev
the europeans are doing well for themselves...lets just leave it at that....competitive fights is what we want as fans.
Im really worried bro we are simply outnumbered! Kosovo, Andora, Sweden, Liechtenstein, Austria and Germany are going to rule boxing 20 years from now! Im calling it!
You foreigners should pay for a subscription to access boxingsene as your hits would hardly if at all generate any revenue in advertising in Europe...be grateful to the legacy of the Great USA that you can come here and spew nonsense...this is an AMERICAN based site.
-Charles Babbage an English mechanical engineer and polymath, originated the concept of a programmable computer.
-Englishman Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
-English is a European language
Be thankful this AMERICAN based site wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Europeans.
You foreigners should pay for a subscription to access boxingsene as your hits would hardly if at all generate any revenue in advertising in Europe...be grateful to the legacy of the Great USA that you can come here and spew nonsense...this is an AMERICAN based site.
the international boxing hall of fame
tszyu has been in a few years....tapia should be in, a couple greats havent been out the ring 5 years to be eligible.
I hope europeans and asians continue to shine....asia has produced many champions and great fighters but since they are all 126 and under, they get no love...i appreciate them, just like the larger european guys at 160 and up.....diversity in the sport is great but as far as euopeans "taking over"...thats far from the truth
See? Shows how much I give a fig about he HOF that I didn't even know! If Tszyus in then Klitschko, Kovalev, Golovkin, Lebedev, Froch, Adamek, Dariusz etc deserve to be too or certainly could be candidates very soon..
I suspect Frampton, Lomachenko, Usyk, Beterbiev, DeGale & Joshua have potential great careers in them too.
Chris John & Rigondeaux are worthy candidates too.
I never said Euros are taking over BTW I just acknowledge the GLOBAL power-shift in the sport unlike some do. Hence my OP question & interest in peoples reasonings for it. HOF inductees have no bearing really. Brazil was great at football but they are ****e now. The all blacks of new Zealand are the best at Rugby but no doubt time will alter that too.
This thread is garbage ; Modern day Prize fighting was founded in the UK and they are mediocre at best....I laugh at the notion that these weak inferior countries are going to best US, it is simply wishful thinking from euro peasants that just started seeing vehicles passing through their dirt roads for the first time in their lives -- Im actually surprised they can even access the internet. America will always be your example you weak jealous socialist.