How is Brook suddenly NOT the best Welterweight?

Golovkin would clean out the 168 division. He belongs at 168, not 160. Welterweights shouldn't fight men who would knockout Super Middleweights.

Bbbbbut Kell Brook too small doe like I said...another mismatch for your hero.....rinse wash repeat

Before this GGG fight was announced most people agreed that Brook was the #1 Welterweight in boxing due to his schooling of #3 welterweight Porter (who Thurman arguably lost to). Multiple polls showed this. His only real threat was the emergence of Spence Jr who still has ways to go. Then all of the sudden the GGG fight gets announced and people act like Brook is a mediocre Rod Salka level Welterweight? Some even say that he is the equivalent of glass-chinned Giraffe Queen Khan't? GTFO here with this B.S. Brook was far superior to Thurman if we compare their performances against Porter, Brook gave an undefeated Porter a boxing lesson. Brook is a class above Thurman and I like Thurman. Brook would also beat the sht out of Garcia. And common opponents have said he is better and hits harder than Canelo, which was why Giraffe Queen Khan't ducked him like the plague. It's mainly the GGG haters and Giraffe Queen Khan't fans at work here, trying to discredit both Brook and GG at the same time. It's absolutely disgraceful and I will fight this till the end. Sugar Ray Brook vs GGG = #1 Welter vs #1 Middleweight. The new Fight of the Century! Bbbbbut Kell Brook too small doe

I'll take a guy who's 13lbs lighter who's beaten world class opposition over a guy who's 13lbs heavier who's only beaten domestic level opposition all day every day & I think I'd have a winning record overall. Again I understand people got an inflated opinion of Eubank cuz of his daddy & the attention he's gotten, but he's a domestic level guy with world class potential still even if he's 13lbs heavier than Brook. And I don't disagree weight plays into things 100%, but give me the lighter guy who's done better **** here. I suspect most fans feel that way to regardless of weight so Brook>Eubank. And f#ck man I mean at the end of the day I think both guys are or would have been KTFO anyway so its of little importance reallllly. how long and how hard have you been watching boxing? and be honbest. have you ever been to a gym, seen or spoken with pro fighters, or been to many live fights? this just can't be more wrong, and history couldn't be more filled with fighters going up in weight and losing. do you really think weight classes are that easily discounted? and not just one, but two? a welterweight contender and a MW contender aren't all that far apart in actual ability? go ask the fighters and see what they say :lol1:. brook's biggest advantage at WW is his size. at MW he'd literally be tiny. do you understand what that means? you remember or are reminded of the weight climbers who are successful because it's damn hard to do. don't confuse a handpicked career with what brook is trying to do, which is fight a higher ranked p4per who is two weight classes higher. you can count on one hand the fighters who have done that. mosley and duran are the two comparisons. then if you go to lesser opponents you have jones hopkins start naming fighters who have done what you're proposing, which is to fight a p4p fighter two weight classes above, and win. then list the guys who have tried it in the past and failed, even the greats. robinson was stopped by maxim. napoles and benvenuti lost to monzon griffith lost to him, too. armstrong got a draw with garcia. these are some of the best fighters ever, and they're coming up short. what makes you think kell brook has a better chance than eubanks, a middleweight?

Odds: Hagler vs. Duran 4/1 Hagler Hagler vs. Hearns 6/5 Hagler Hagler vs. Leonard 3/1 Hagler Hopkins vs. Trinidad: 2/1 Trinidad Hopkins vs. De La Hoya: 2/1 Hopkins Canelo vs. Khan: 5/1 Canelo GGG vs. Brook: 9/1 GGG I know Kell Brook is really good welterweight champ, but it doesn't change the fact that this fight is worse than Canelo-Khan. Anyway, I respect Brook and will support him in GGG fight. He has big balls which GGG has never gotten. What ?!!! Canelo vs Khan was only 5/1 odds in favor of Canelo......WTF?! I would have expected 20/1 or even worse. Almost nobody gave Khan a chance of winning that fight and almost everyone expected Khan to get KO'd.

I obviously disagree on the first bolded & its about more than 1 on 1 matchups between potential opponents or size, but personally I think Eubank vs Brook would probably have a 50/50ish/pickem line oddswise or Brook would be a slight favorite. Neither guy has done all that much really, but I think Brook is on a higher plain of done nothing than Eubank so the size disparity is equaled out for me. So it all comes down to what you've done & Brook beating Porter is better than any 3 or 4 wins Eubank has. I understand Eubank has a lot of hype doe so I'm sure plenty will disagree, but I'm not buying it cuz Eubank ain't beat nobody of note yet & even the 147lb guys many fans endlessly criticize Brook for fighting (myself included quite often) are better than anything Eubank has done. So sure weight is important, but opposition is important to if not more important. you're not demonstrating nearly enough of a gap in class for you to illustrate to me that you understand the implication of fighting two weight classes above your natural weight. you have to be a heck of a lot better at boxing to be able to make up for a 10-15 difference in fight night weight. eubanks damn near killed a natural middleweight named nick blackwell. this isn't floyd mayweather we are talking about. it's kell brook. demonstrate to me why you think kell brook is such an insurmountably better fighter that he should be matched evenly with eubanks a true middleweight. you guys really don't seem to understand what two weight classes means in boxing. natural WWs and MWs are completely different sized people. i think the alphabet titles, manufactured weight climbing and manufactured paper champions are desensitizing all of you to what it means for a prime welterweight to fight a prime middleweight. this is not adrien broner outgrowing being a massive 130 and 135 jumping to 140, but that's actually a great example. broner looked like a monster with a hellish chin and freak power at 130. by the time he got to 147, only a 4 lb difference from the gap between ww and MW, he looked completely ordinary. just look at the paulie fight, or porter. he looks like a totally different guy now that he's no longer fighting smaller guys. broner's now grown naturally into 140-147 lbs. see how he does against a 154 lber, never mind a middleweight. to give you an idea, in spite of the fact that eubanks has a lesser resume, p4p, the way all resumes are typically compared when guys aren't at the same weight, he'd be a MASSIVE, and i mean massive, favorite to not only beat brook but to stop him. brook's biggest advantage at WW is his physical strength. eubanks would absolutely manhandle him. perhaps you guys genuinely can't understand what that means, and that's fine. i just urge you to watch more boxing, get to a gym yourself, and talk to as many boxers from as many weight classes as you can. in time, you'll start to say, "oh, yeah, two weight classes definitely matter."

He's like Mayweather now. Too good for his own good. So anyone he fight will be too (fill in the blank) to mean anything. Unless GGG does get beat then he'll get humanized more & maybe will get some bigger respect from a wider number of fans. As to the main subject of this thread I will say I didn't see Brook as the best guy in the division as for me its a division thats still up for grabs, but for sure Brook is in play for the #1 spot & this fight is the type of fight that'd have gotten Canelo less negativity if chosen instead of Khan. So if the purpose of this thread is a pissing contest between GGG & Canelo, GGG wins again as he does in most pissing contests with Canelo that don't involve economics. And if the purpose is to legitimize Brook as a GGG opponent I think anyone reasonable can see that Brook as a top 2 WW & arguably the best WW is a better opponent than a non-top ten MW who still more of a prospect than legit contender. i'm assumiug you are implying that eubanks would be a lesser opponent than brook by the bold, which is not right. brooks is a more proven guy, and without a doubt a better pound for pound fighter, but you're talking about two full weight classes. a gigantic, strong WW in brook would be a pipsqueak at MW against big MWs like murray, lemiuex, rubio, eubanks, jacobs, andy lee. even canelo, big charlo, andrade would dwarf him, and have 5-10 on him in the ring. heck, i genuinely believe that canelo is bigger than golovkin. dude's 170 when he fights. eubanks would absolutely dwarf brook in the ring, and he'd be a huge favorite going into the fight. two weight classes are hugely significant. it's usually only great, great fighters, who can jump two weight classes and beat top fighters. manny, floyd, hopkins, shane mosley, these are all time great fighters.

Because this ERA fans opinions means more than the actual match Apparently lol Because they "THINK" a guy would win some people act like they don't even need to see certain guys fight each other which is just stupid because as seen with Garcia vs Matthysse in which many on this forum thought Matthysse would destroy Garcia end up being WRONG!

Had to hold because Porter was lunging in headfirst like a football player and being a wild caveman on the inside and hit Brook with about 100 rabbit punches to the back of the head. Porter got no warning too for that and he had one hand free, the ref told him to work it out and he couldn't do it. If it was the other way around you would had criticized it for Porter holding too much.

Maybe a clinch lesson. Brook was holding almost the hold fight. He won but no warnings for that excessive holding Had to hold because Porter was lunging in headfirst like a football player and being a wild caveman on the inside and hit Brook with about 100 rabbit punches to the back of the head. Porter got no warning too for that and he had one hand free, the ref told him to work it out and he couldn't do it.

Yea you're right. I loved watching the demolition of future Hall of Famer Kevin Bizier. That one really sold me Brook. An excellent way to prepare for GGG. I'd be shocked if GGG made it to the 6th round really. After that why not Joshua? Slight height advantage but I'd say power is even. How do you see that historic matchup playing out?

LMAO I know right. Brook gave that boy a boxing lesson and took the belt off him, while Thurman went life and death with him. There's really no comparison. Maybe a clinch lesson. Brook was holding almost the hold fight. He won but no warnings for that excessive holding

HAHAHAHAHA Yeah Brook got a gift in Brooklyn LMAO LMAO I know right. Brook gave that boy a boxing lesson and took the belt off him, while Thurman went life and death with him. There's really no comparison.

Yes Brook won 116-112 on my card, and I'm confident in that score. Porter was just too wild and too ineffectively aggressive, while Brook was sharp, crisp and landed the bigger, harder shots. Clear cut to me. Well said, Brook clearly beat Porter clean power punches that snapped Porter's head back. Porter landed nothing but rabbit punches, back punches and body shots that did little. Porter could throw skinny Thurman to the ropes, but when he tried that with Brook he found out that Brook was built like an Ox. He tried to football tackle Brook but it was like running into a brick wall. When you go to Brooklyn (porter's backyard) and take the belt off the champion and the judges give you 117-111, it tells you the fight was a schooling.

Lol, can't tell if this troll's mission is to boost Golovkin's opponent or if he's a Brook fan who is deeply bothered that his boy is about to go through an experience worse than getting stabbed by a tranny. Brook has never done anything to lead the pack at WW and, in fact, has been somewhat cowardly in refusing to make a relevant defence of his belt in 2 years. What's he going to do after this loss? Fight cans for another 2 years? You're the troll here kid, Brook schooling the #3 Welterweight in Porter is better than what any other Welterweight has done since May/Pac retired. Welterweights like Giraffe Queen Khant have been ducking Brook, not the other way around. Try actually learning some boxing before you open your damn mouth. Every organization and website has Brook as either the #1 or #2 Welterweight on the planet. Most have him as #1. You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. Brook vs Golovkin = #1 Welterweight vs #1 Middleweight. Brook won't lose, Sugar Ray Brook is coming to SHOOK THE DAMN WORLD. Get ready folks, the fight of the century is approaching.

You could argue that he is #1 but he is definitely not the consensus best like GGG and Rigondeaux are. Thurman-Porter was closer than Porter-Brook but Thurman also landed harder and cleaner shots on Porter than Brook did. Thurman's resume is also superior. If pac comes back, he is #1

Yea I didn't say he got a gift. I said he narrowly escaped defeat. Bother watching the fight? Yes Brook won 116-112 on my card, and I'm confident in that score. Porter was just too wild and too ineffectively aggressive, while Brook was sharp, crisp and landed the bigger, harder shots. Clear cut to me.

HAHAHAHAHA Yeah Brook got a gift in Brooklyn LMAOYea I didn't say he got a gift. I said he narrowly escaped defeat. Bother watching the fight?

TS isn't even a brook fan......he's a golovkin fan on a troll hunt. golovkins fans have absolutely lost their mind. Well lets look at some examples of the past #1 WW/MW: -2000 it was Mosley & Hopkins -2002 Forrest & Hopkins -2010 Martinez & Pac I would have loved those fights & they would certainly enhanced the legacy of said MW's! So what is the problem? Its not like Brook is small is it? He's 5'9".. Golovkin is 5'10. Brook was going to mature into a bigger weight at some point too judging by his size & lack of interest of other WW's through fear of losing to him! I have no problem with this fight or GGG for taking the fight. He tried to get better fights with good middleweights Saunders and then Eubank but they wouldn't fight. He had no other good options so he said yes to the very high paying Brook fight in England. People on here may hate the fight but I think it will be a financial success and give GGG a career high pay check. He is, after all, a prize fighter who fights for a living.

Narrowly escaping defeat against Porter HAHAHAHAHA Yeah Brook got a gift in Brooklyn LMAO