The way that UFC continuously finds ways to salvage injured fighters/failed tests is impressive. Jones fails a test? No biggie. They'll just put the greatest p4p fighter ever in his place on 2 days notice. It's stuff like that that separates MMA from boxing. Fury rolls his ankle and we have to wait 3 months for the fight to happen. Povetkin tests positive and Wilder fights a guy who's not even in the top 15.
When boxing is at its best there's nothing better. Thurman/Porter is as good as it gets. That being said imagine if it was run similar to the UFC?
The way that UFC continuously finds ways to salvage injured fighters/failed tests is impressive. Jones fails a test? No biggie. They'll just put the greatest p4p fighter ever in his place on 2 days notice. It's stuff like that that separates MMA from boxing. Fury rolls his ankle and we have to wait 3 months for the fight to happen. Povetkin tests positive and Wilder fights a guy who's not even in the top 15.
When boxing is at its best there's nothing better. Thurman/Porter is as good as it gets. That being said imagine if it was run similar to the UFC?
Who is the greatest p4p fighter ever in UFC? Because it definitely isn't Lesnar.
It's still a good card and I'll watch it but without a legitimate fight to headline, it's not the best card they've ever had.
I do agree that boxing could learn by producing at least semi-world class replacement opponents or fights or events but the issue is, the UFC IS NOT MMA, the UFC is simply the most powerful brand within that sport so can put on the fights that matter, when they matter.
Boxing is a sport without a single governing entity more powerful than the others.
Dude, you don't even too seem to know much about ufc, no offense...
Silva is just a last ditch effort to get Cormier a fight, I can't really complain about it except it's a non title fight
Lesner vs hunt is fascinating because yes leonar doesn't like to get hit, but hunt doesn't like the ground,, it's 2 different styles clashing,,, goes to the ground, lesner dominates and destroys him... If it stays standing up, hunt is going to brutally ko him.. It's like the best possible freakshow fight they can make
Plus you have Tate-Nunez for women's title, and the girls always throw down more so than the guys..
Aldo-Edgar 2 is a matchup of 2 great fighters for basically Conor's vacant belt
Cain-Browne is a matchup of 2 of the top 5 heavyweights
Lauzon vs diego Sanchez will be exciting
Gomi vs miller is 2 veterans going all out to stay relevant...
If this was a boxing card it would be
brook-Marquez
John cena in a boxing match vs roy jones
Crawford-postal
Martinez-salido
Ortiz-Povetkin
Devon- ghost
Julio Diaz vs ortiz
Can you imagine a mma fan saying that card isn't much,, no floyd or manny, just gimmicks
Your right I don't really follow UFC anymore for a variety of reasons.
But the fact is Silva is 40+ hasn't won in 4 years and hasn't trained in months is a good thing? he's a name that's all to draw interest. Women's combat sports Is mostly a gimmick & Lesnars a WWE fighter. All 3 of those bouts are circus sideshows and to me doesn't show a sport that isn't relying on gimmicks. It's top 3 fights for this card are all gimmicks and that's a good thing to you
Jon Cena in a boxing match really? that's a fu.cking sideshow and would be a disgrace. You comparing your imaginary boxing card isn't the same at all. The top 3 fights for this card is essentially
Roy Jones vs Wilder
Random women fight
Jon Cena vs Arreola
And your telling me this isn't On some clown sh.it
Women's sports is a inferior product, they do nothing better then men except look better in booty shorts and that's why viewership in women's sports pale in comparison to males except when their dressed like skanks because the athleticism and talent isn't there, and the UFC has resorted to pushing this product as a priority , thats a joke
I like Aldo / Edgar though, and it's cool that you think this is a great card but to me it's whatever
Yeah boxing could steal some things from UFC, but using gimmicks and putting in past great fighters on 2 days notice aren't those things
Also its not all about numbers, the quality of boxing fights have not been so good. Canelo, the biggest boxing star right now will be fighting 3 duds this year, GGG same old stuff, Kov and Ward are fighting nobodies until they will fight eachother. Wilder fight is off, we had the porter thurman fight, crawford-postol, and hopefully Kov-Ward this year.
You're talking "quality"?? Have you seen the UFC 200 line-up? That's their darling card of the year.
In boxing we have Postol/Crawford, Fury/Wlad2, Thurman/Porter, Salido/Vargas, Ward/Kov, Santa/Frampton, and who knows what else will come down the pike.
I watch and love both sports and have no reason to defend either against the other but MMA (specifically UFC) is not having a particularly quality year. Boxing started slow but has a lot to come in the 2nd half. In MMA we're looking at garbage like Bisping/Hendo2 FFS.
You don't understand how business works. Boxing doesn't live or die on a 6 month scale. You're playing Jr politician with the other NSBers crying that the sky is falling because this spring was slow. When a joke fight like Canelo Khan can do 400 to 500k, boxing is in good shape. UFC numbers have been equally mediocre in the first half, it's not a sign that ufc is dying either.
Also its not all about numbers, the quality of boxing fights have not been so good. Canelo, the biggest boxing star right now will be fighting 3 duds this year, GGG same old stuff, Kov and Ward are fighting nobodies until they will fight eachother. Wilder fight is off, we had the porter thurman fight, crawford-postol, and hopefully Kov-Ward this year.
It's dead? Or, last year it did a PPV record that the ufc has never even come close to doing. Ufc hasn't even done close to half of that. Just last year.
Boxing dead doe....
And don't bring up Manny and May, people said the exact same shyt when DLH retired.
i think the manny and floyd fight was more of an outlier than the trend. 2016 numbers are gonna be sh1t. Especially since the ggg-canelo fight wont be happening.
I don't know , but just because your able to replace Jones with the once great Silva who hasn't won in like 4 years and admits he hasn't trained in like 4 months and has what a 2-3 days notice isn't really impressive. It screams desperation also on the card is a women's bout and a former wrestler who doesn't like to be hit. Nothing screams too notch to me.
I view the UFC as a brand that has plateaued and probably going downhill, that's why they want to sell to the Chinese , The fact that their biggest star is a women who had what like 10 fights shows what a joke it has become relying on gimmicks. It's working for now but it's still a gimmick
Dude, you don't even too seem to know much about ufc, no offense...
Silva is just a last ditch effort to get Cormier a fight, I can't really complain about it except it's a non title fight
Lesner vs hunt is fascinating because yes leonar doesn't like to get hit, but hunt doesn't like the ground,, it's 2 different styles clashing,,, goes to the ground, lesner dominates and destroys him... If it stays standing up, hunt is going to brutally ko him.. It's like the best possible freakshow fight they can make
Plus you have Tate-Nunez for women's title, and the girls always throw down more so than the guys..
Aldo-Edgar 2 is a matchup of 2 great fighters for basically Conor's vacant belt
Cain-Browne is a matchup of 2 of the top 5 heavyweights
Lauzon vs diego Sanchez will be exciting
Gomi vs miller is 2 veterans going all out to stay relevant...
If this was a boxing card it would be
brook-Marquez
John cena in a boxing match vs roy jones
Crawford-postal
Martinez-salido
Ortiz-Povetkin
Devon- ghost
Julio Diaz vs ortiz
Can you imagine a mma fan saying that card isn't much,, no floyd or manny, just gimmicks
I don't know , but just because your able to replace Jones with the once great Silva who hasn't won in like 4 years and admits he hasn't trained in like 4 months and has what a 2-3 days notice isn't really impressive. It screams desperation also on the card is a women's bout and a former wrestler who doesn't like to be hit. Nothing screams too notch to me.
I view the UFC as a brand that has plateaued and probably going downhill, that's why they want to sell to the Chinese , The fact that their biggest star is a women who had what like 10 fights shows what a joke it has become relying on gimmicks. It's working for now but it's still a gimmick
http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/
http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_MMA_Gates/
Boxing PPV has surpassed 2 million PPV buys three times and mma never has.
Canelo vs Golovkin is bigger than any mma fight at the moment.
Careful about believing the numbers reported for ufc ppv figures.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/promoters-spar-over-mayweathers-big-210700826--box.html
One of the biggest issues with ufc as well is it has been reported that the athletes only receive 12-16% of the revenue.
Boxing has surpassed 2 million in the past, they can't even break a million now with no floyd or manny..
Canelo-Golovkin had they fought in September wouldn't do as good as Conor's 2 PPv this year,, diaz-Conor doubled up canelo-cotto, the rematch will do the same of not triple up canelo-ggg... Plus they got lesner and Aldo-Edgar 2 this weekend that will do well over a million buys, plus Rhonda's return will do a million..
If canelo-cotto couldn't break a million, I see no chance for canelo-ggg to do it..
Cotto is a much bigger star than Golovkin and has coheadlined many huge PPVs and did massive million+ buys with floyd and manny..
As for the ufc fighter pay only being a small percent of revenue,,, i think the fighters should get at least 50% like most sports, but if they did, then they would basically be quadrupling their pay and blowing away the paydays of canelo, ggg, Ward, kovolev, etc
Take away Conor from ufc ppv buys in 2015 and how did they do?
Boxing had 4 athletes in the top 100 highest paid athletes.
MMA had 1.
http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/
And who are the four boxers that made the list in 2015.. Floyd, manny,, then who else, and post a link or show the rankings for the other 2..
My bad, I didn't realize you posted a link,,,, but I only saw 3 boxers, not 4.. And only manny and floyd beat Conor, he was ahead of canelo.
http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/
http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_MMA_Gates/
Boxing PPV has surpassed 2 million PPV buys three times and mma never has.
Canelo vs Golovkin is bigger than any mma fight at the moment.
Careful about believing the numbers reported for ufc ppv figures.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/promoters-spar-over-mayweathers-big-210700826--box.html
One of the biggest issues with ufc as well is it has been reported that the athletes only receive 12-16% of the revenue.
Isn't bringing the sponsors names into the octagon what got them the most. Money?
Maybe for the lesser known guys, the guys in the prelims, the non stars, but it pales in comparison to what the stars get from Apple, Nike, etc..
Take away Conor from ufc ppv buys in 2015 and how did they do?
Boxing had 4 athletes in the top 100 highest paid athletes.
MMA had 1.
http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/
And who are the four boxers that made the list in 2015.. Floyd, manny,, then who else, and post a link or show the rankings for the other 2..
I will make a bet with you that Anthony Joshua will earn more money than Conor will in his career. It won't be close either.
Yeah because he isn't american, he is from UK...
I'm talking about boxing in America,,,, it's dead..
That's why joshua is a huge PPv star already, and wilder has zero mainstream brand awareness
Take away Conor from ufc ppv buys in 2015 and how did they do?
Boxing had 4 athletes in the top 100 highest paid athletes.
MMA had 1.
http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/
Take away Conor and they still had a bunch of sold out crowds, huge ppv's and also a TV deal worth 100s of millions of dollars, and more importantly, a happy audience because they make the fights people want to see in a timely fashion
The worst ufc PPv still doubles up anything Golovkin does, the 2nd biggest star in boxing.. Demetrius might mouse johnson outsells Golovkin in ppvs. Lmao
Mma fighters have a lot of outsode sponsorships,, it's just that when they are actually in the octagon is when it's regulated, no different than any other major sports,,, NBA won't let Lebron james wear a sponsorship for beat headphones during games
Isn't bringing the sponsors names into the octagon what got them the most. Money?
If canelo/ggg fought in September, it would be a step in the right direction, but they won't, and that's the exact reason why boxing isn't popular anymore..
PPv doesn't maximize revenue... Having billion dollar TV deals does... Why does ufc have huge TV deal, plus overall better PPv buys??? So does wwe..
Lots of combat sports have TV deals and PPv,, all except for boxing
Take away floyd-manny, and Conor mccgregor sold more than double all the boxing PPVs in 2015..
How many boxers are gonna make that list of richest athletes over the next couple of years??? How does boxing only have one draw in canelo, and he only does 50% of what manny and floyd use to draw in their day..
Canelo
Kirkland 400k
Cotto 800k
Khan 600k
Conor
Mendes 1 million (last minute replacement)
Aldo 1.5 million
Diaz 1.6 million (last minute replacement)
Thurman Porter been hyped for years, like on prime time fox and does peak 3.7 million viewers
Conor first headline on foxsports1 and it does 3.7 million average..
Ufc will have 3 or 4 different events that easily break a million this year,, boxing will have Ward-kovolev do 300k..
Boxing has only itself to blame,, they ran it into the ground so much, that it's nearly impossible to create new stars..
When ali, frazier, foreman were done, duran, leonard, hagler, Hearns were in the wings, and as they got old, you had tyson, chavez Camacho, and then evander, foreman, lennox, roy, Oscar, tito, vargas, shane, hopkins, barrera, morales, manny, cotto, floyd,, but now we are just down to one true star in canelo, and he is the worst top draw that boxing ever had in the history of boxing
Take away Conor from ufc ppv buys in 2015 and how did they do?
Boxing had 4 athletes in the top 100 highest paid athletes.
MMA had 1.
http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/
Ufc doesn't seem to help their fighters as much. At least boxers can get their own sponsors
Mma fighters have a lot of outsode sponsorships,, it's just that when they are actually in the octagon is when it's regulated, no different than any other major sports,,, NBA won't let Lebron james wear a sponsorship for beat headphones during games
Stopped reading after the first sentence when it became clear you don't know how to operate a calendar.
Lmao,,,, no rebuttal... May 2015-July 2016 it's been 14 months, not 18.. Sorry, but does that refute any of my points... Lmao..
Because PPV maximizes revenue for the very elite in the sport. Hence why Mayweather and Pacquiao were the two highest paid athletes in the sports world for years. You are using a small time frame and blowing it out of proportion. So if Canelo decided to fight Golovkin this September would boxing be in great shape?
If canelo/ggg fought in September, it would be a step in the right direction, but they won't, and that's the exact reason why boxing isn't popular anymore..
PPv doesn't maximize revenue... Having billion dollar TV deals does... Why does ufc have huge TV deal, plus overall better PPv buys??? So does wwe..
Lots of combat sports have TV deals and PPv,, all except for boxing
Take away floyd-manny, and Conor mccgregor sold more than double all the boxing PPVs in 2015..
How many boxers are gonna make that list of richest athletes over the next couple of years??? How does boxing only have one draw in canelo, and he only does 50% of what manny and floyd use to draw in their day..
Canelo
Kirkland 400k
Cotto 800k
Khan 600k
Conor
Mendes 1 million (last minute replacement)
Aldo 1.5 million
Diaz 1.6 million (last minute replacement)
Thurman Porter been hyped for years, like on prime time fox and does peak 3.7 million viewers
Conor first headline on foxsports1 and it does 3.7 million average..
Ufc will have 3 or 4 different events that easily break a million this year,, boxing will have Ward-kovolev do 300k..
Boxing has only itself to blame,, they ran it into the ground so much, that it's nearly impossible to create new stars..
When ali, frazier, foreman were done, duran, leonard, hagler, Hearns were in the wings, and as they got old, you had tyson, chavez Camacho, and then evander, foreman, lennox, roy, Oscar, tito, vargas, shane, hopkins, barrera, morales, manny, cotto, floyd,, but now we are just down to one true star in canelo, and he is the worst top draw that boxing ever had in the history of boxing
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