So GGG has to build his name up and earn a fight with Canelo?

Ggg will continue to avoid ward and canelo, he would rather stay at 160 lbs and cherry pick his shallow division. #GGGdiva

Who else is drawing 16k to a boxing show in the US dummy? You said something retarded, got called out on it. What else is new? Priced at $20 a seat? I think I could name quite a few; a shame that Golovkin/K2 are seemingly the only ones doing it though. The Forum holds 17.5k seats, and Golovkin has run the building twice on short sets.

You're out of your fking mind.get off the weed, playa. Your brain is toast... Golovkin is not a draw, simple as that in my opinion; K2 went back to the very same SoCal building (where they'd already done 13k tickets for Golovkin-Monroe) and balked at running the full 17k-seat building. Golovkin-Lemieux, after all the work that HBO did in trying to make Golovkin a star in those 3 years of TV, did less than 150k (though likely more than 100k) PPV buys. I don't think that anyone can find fault with those two point. If Alvarez-Khan really did end up doing significantly less than 600k PPV buys (odds on the fight ended up narrowing down to Alvarez 5:1, but Amir Khan was also a broadly known fighter), how could anyone project monster business for Alvarez-Golovkin (early bookies have Golovkin a 4:1 favorite)? Alvarez-Golovkin does 400k-500k PPV buys (the number may goose up to 600k depending on how hard HBO push), for the simple fact that neither fighter has yet to crossover into the casual PPV market all the way. Is Golovkin really going to go on Jimmy Kimmel with that "I like fight" nonsense? methinks not. Beyond that, for Alvarez-Smith, you start the count at about where I think Alvarez's baseline of around 350k PPV buys; you use 3 weeks of 24/7 to try and goose the Liam Smith story (the fighting Smith brothers, the loyalty to Joe Gallagher, Liverpool boxing, etc) and hope that the HBO machine can drive up the baseline number.

Hey bud, Floyd made like $25 million to fight Oscar. If Canelo's team offered GGG $25 million I'm pretty sure he'd fight in Mexico City with one hand behind his back...stop comparing Canelo to Oscar, it's not even close in terms of popularity or money....Oscar never ducked a big challenge...Mosley,Trinidad,Vargas,Hopkins,the list goes on and on.... When a guy comes in at 175 on fight night, owns the lineal,ring, and WBC middleweight titles, and says he'd fight the guy at 160 and he'd fight him right there and then on more than one occasion then tries to play the "I'm the A side game" that's a coward move plain and simple...Canelo is the bigger star but he's no Oscar,Floyd,Manny... Not even close... Yes, Floyd Mayweather did make $25m; the point that you're seemingly forgetting is that Oscar apparently made $52m (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_De_La_Hoya_vs._Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.#Fight_earnings). Looking at the actual split of the money Floyd took ~30/70 to make the fight. No one is comparing Oscar to Canelo; I've simply made the point of comparing Canelo to Golovkin, acknowledging that Alvarez-Golovkin is a big fight, and then looking as some of the other B-side fighters have had to give up to get their opportunity reach for superstardom. Because that's what Golovkin is facing; the man is almost 35 years old, has now basically been handed 3 of his 4 MW belts, has yet to have been in a competitive fight, and is yet to look like a box office draw. With none of the titles having any bearing on what Alvarez does, the terms for Golovkin's shot a superstardom are pretty well set; if he chooses to not fight on those terms (as has been the case for every B-side fighter trying to become an A-side star in the history of the sport), tough luck. Enjoy the rest of your time as a TV fighter for HBO.

The problem with the Canelo camp is that they took on the posture of wanting to fight GGG without any concessions. He even invited GGG into the ring to show the fans he wasn't afraid. Canelo played the role right after the Kahn fight and talked a big game. Unfortunately his promoters later took him on the side and probably said "Canelo not now we have to wait for a bigger payday". I truthfully don't believe Canelo is afraid of GGG. I think his promoters are afraid and they want to cash in when the time is right due to what most perceive will be a loss for Canelo and the end of that and future huge paydays.

K2 has so little confidence in Golovkin's ability to draw that they've run venues in SoCal three times, running the Forum twice, yet they've never staged the full building (and will likely not stage the full building when the return for their next fight at the Forum). Ignore the reality if you want. Who else is drawing 16k to a boxing show in the US dummy? You said something retarded, got called out on it. What else is new?

Liam Smith brings BoxNation with him, to goose up the revenue from the UK. Beyond that, Alvarez-Smith and Alvarez-Golovkin likely ends up doing the sae PPV business, give or take 50k PPV buys. You add that Liam Smith likely isn't asking for anywhere near the amount of money that Golovkin is asking for (while doing the **** business that he did on PPV) and, yeah, lil G needs to keep building his name up. Amir Khan made at least $8m on the Alvarez fight because he brought business to the table; according to rumor 2k-3k came to Las Vegas from the UK/Middle East to watch Khan fight, in addition to the bulk of Khan's take coming from the price paid for the UK rights. If Golovkin-Wade, or Golovkin-Lemieux, or Golovkin-Monroe had charged $1000 ringside seats, do you honestly believe that anyone would've showed up? imo, very few would've. You're out of your fking mind.get off the weed, playa. Your brain is toast...

Before Floyd fought Oscar, he'd been a star in the sport, 3 of his 4 immediately prior fights had been on PPV, and he ended up doing decent business on the 3 PPVs; to get the Oscar fight, Floyd had to take 25/75, agree to every term that Oscar could think of, and layed his bet on simply winning the fight. Alvarez may not be where Oscar was, but he's a pretty big star in his own right; $7.5m at the Alvarez-Khan gate, 30k+ paying fans in Houston, a solid track record of PPV business in Las Vegas, etc. Where is Golovkin really? Yes, he did maybe $2m on 20k seats in New York, and he's been able to put 16.5k into the Forum in LA (with no one from K2 even feinting at the business that they did on that). Golovkin's only PPV event so far did 100k PPV buys. With no titles on the line (and no outside terms to dictate anything), what do the terms look like; from the outside looking in, Alvarez sets every term, Golovkin takes the opportunity to try and be a star, and he hangs his bet on winning the fight. Hey bud, Floyd made like $25 million to fight Oscar. If Canelo's team offered GGG $25 million I'm pretty sure he'd fight in Mexico City with one hand behind his back...stop comparing Canelo to Oscar, it's not even close in terms of popularity or money....Oscar never ducked a big challenge...Mosley,Trinidad,Vargas,Hopkins,the list goes on and on.... When a guy comes in at 175 on fight night, owns the lineal,ring, and WBC middleweight titles, and says he'd fight the guy at 160 and he'd fight him right there and then on more than one occasion then tries to play the "I'm the A side game" that's a coward move plain and simple...Canelo is the bigger star but he's no Oscar,Floyd,Manny... Not even close...

He needs to build his name up to be able to get the fight on his terms. He can have the fight now, but only if he is willing to come to Canelo's terms on money and weight. Don't get it twisted, GGG can have the fight right now. But like Oscar said, its a difficult fight to make because GGG thinks he is a star but he hasn't earned that. Manny and Floyd were PPV draws but they still had to come to ODL when it came to money and weight respectively. Oscar is the problem...not ggg. Oscar doesn't want to risk his cash cow, smart from a promotional standpoint i guess. I just hope canelo doesn't get caught up in this bs now and regret it later.

Lololol what a moron. And you wonder why you got negative rep lol K2 has so little confidence in Golovkin's ability to draw that they've run venues in SoCal three times, running the Forum twice, yet they've never staged the full building (and will likely not stage the full building when the return for their next fight at the Forum). Ignore the reality if you want.

Lololol what a moron. And you wonder why you got negative rep lol Gennady Golovkin, after three years of HBO pushing him as the "second coming" of great fighters, did less than 150k PPV buys at $50 a pop (Tom Loeffler's number was absolute bull****, so the question is basically how much lower than Loeffler's number was the actual number). Alvarez-Khan basically ended up doing ~500k PPV buys (Oscar's number is bull****, so the question is how much lower than Oscar's number is the actual number). Alvarez-Angulo ended up doing 350k PPV buys, with Alvarez-Lara basically doing 300k PPV buys. When put in showdowns with other establish draws (Mayweather-Alvarez did 2.2m PPV buys, while Cotto-Alvarez has apparently done 950k PPV buys), Alvarez does really good business; Golovkin is not an establish draw, in any semblance of the term Alvarez-Golovkin, if it's ever booked, will likely end up doing 400k-600k PPV buys, regardless of how much folks like you want to decree Golovkin a superstar.

No doubt Canelo is not even close to the star Oscar was. ODL was the only non heavyweight doing PPV fights in his day. His crossover appeal was huge. But we are talking about a guy in Canelo that is doing decent PPV numbers against non draws vs a guy that did horrible PPV numbers and has been relegated back to HBO fights for right now. Its about leverage. Even with the belt GGG has none. Right now the fight only happens on Canelo's terms. Other fighters are willing to make those concessions, apparently GGG feels he is above what guys like Floyd and Pacquiao did to get their first big paydays. I won't fault GGG if he isn't willing to sacrifice to have his first quality win. Some guys are and some guys are not willing to pay the price. The Canelo brand has been badly damaged by this charade. Unless he fights Golovkin his days a top PPV star are over. Meanwhile, the GGG brand has been given a huge boost by the attention this has brought to him. Golovkin is becoming a "name" in his own right. Even Floyd can't stop talking about him, which is great for GGG.

Urgh folks arguing over a thread based off of a mistake.... Usual suspects Lara pushers Golovkin fans Canelo fans 1 person trying to have an informed conversation My head hurts

Nelo is the A side and reigning lineal and ring middleweight champion. GGG has to fight on his terms. What terms are these ? 3 interim fight terms? Nobody gives a sh1t about that fictional belt, in real life Canelo lost leverage by becoming boxings laughing stock

Yeah dude just like Mathew hatton and Jose Jotto and the huge name erislandy Lara One mention of Lara's name and GGG turns into DDD for triple DUCK. GGG is shaking in his boots at the thought of facing Nelo's LEFTOVERS.

Nelo is the A side and reigning lineal and ring middleweight champion. GGG has to fight on his terms.

But Liam Smith, who nobody has ever heard of is just fine lol...If you're a fan of Canelo you should be ashamed of that guy... Says he wants the fight and they're still negotiating but they send an offer to someone else immediately...shameful ducking fk... Can't believe I rooted for him vs Cotto thinking he would fight GGG based on his past actions...I guess GGG really is that good that a Mexican would run for the hills when faced with the thought of fighting him... Yeah dude just like Mathew hatton and Jose Jotto and the huge name erislandy Lara

Don't support this diva anymore. Only GGG fight is going to show if he is the real deal or if he is a hyped former champion.

OP didn't even do the due diligence, and couldn't wait to create a hate thread.

No doubt Canelo is not even close to the star Oscar was. ODL was the only non heavyweight doing PPV fights in his day. His crossover appeal was huge. But we are talking about a guy in Canelo that is doing decent PPV numbers against non draws vs a guy that did horrible PPV numbers and has been relegated back to HBO fights for right now. Its about leverage. Even with the belt GGG has none. Right now the fight only happens on Canelo's terms. Other fighters are willing to make those concessions, apparently GGG feels he is above what guys like Floyd and Pacquiao did to get their first big paydays. I won't fault GGG if he isn't willing to sacrifice to have his first quality win. Some guys are and some guys are not willing to pay the price. The fight is not happening on anyone's terms. The fight is not happening at all. If the fight was going to happen, Alvarez would not have vacated the belt. In spite of what they claim, Alvarez and Oscar are not negotiating a fight with Golovkin and he will never fight Golovkin, at least not before Golovkin declines and has lost a few fights.